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		<title>By: NHbigfoot</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/great-whites-08/#comment-45156</link>
		<dc:creator>NHbigfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not uncommon for sharks to swim in rivers and lakes connected to the ocean. In 1916 the famous Jersey shore shark attacks happened. There were three attacks and the third one was the most interesting. The attack happened in an inland town called Matawan, New Jersey. A man reported seeing a 8 foot shark in the waist deep creek, but the sighting was dismissed. Later that day two boys were playing in the creek, and one of them was dragged under water and his body was not recovered for two more days. Another man attempted to look for the body of the boy later but was bit himself and died at the hospital later on. Thirty minutes after the attacks on the boy and the man, another man was bit on the leg by the shark, but he was upstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not uncommon for sharks to swim in rivers and lakes connected to the ocean. In 1916 the famous Jersey shore shark attacks happened. There were three attacks and the third one was the most interesting. The attack happened in an inland town called Matawan, New Jersey. A man reported seeing a 8 foot shark in the waist deep creek, but the sighting was dismissed. Later that day two boys were playing in the creek, and one of them was dragged under water and his body was not recovered for two more days. Another man attempted to look for the body of the boy later but was bit himself and died at the hospital later on. Thirty minutes after the attacks on the boy and the man, another man was bit on the leg by the shark, but he was upstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No further reports then?

Ok, strike this one down as a tall tale (or 'tail').</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No further reports then?</p>
<p>Ok, strike this one down as a tall tale (or &#8216;tail&#8217;).</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/great-whites-08/#comment-45154</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flame821- In answer to your question, I point you to my post above. A large number of shark, ray, and sawfish species (elasmobranches) can survive for long periods in freshwater environments. It is not only the Bull shark, which is commonly thought.

Like I said, unlike the bull shark and others, the extent of a Great White's ability to tolerate fresh water has not been fully established and they are not known to frequent these types of environments, so I am skeptical that a baby one could have survived for the amount of time necessary for it to reach the size described. I'd be more willing to believe that an adult wandered in by accident.

No matter how it got there, I feel that its chances for survival are questionable. It's not so much food, but rather whether it will be able to adjust to the metabolic requirements required to maintain osmotic pressure in the freshwater habitat.

Of course this is if the sighting is even genuine. Like Lyndon, I am more inclined to discount this one in absence of any other evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flame821- In answer to your question, I point you to my post above. A large number of shark, ray, and sawfish species (elasmobranches) can survive for long periods in freshwater environments. It is not only the Bull shark, which is commonly thought.</p>
<p>Like I said, unlike the bull shark and others, the extent of a Great White&#8217;s ability to tolerate fresh water has not been fully established and they are not known to frequent these types of environments, so I am skeptical that a baby one could have survived for the amount of time necessary for it to reach the size described. I&#8217;d be more willing to believe that an adult wandered in by accident.</p>
<p>No matter how it got there, I feel that its chances for survival are questionable. It&#8217;s not so much food, but rather whether it will be able to adjust to the metabolic requirements required to maintain osmotic pressure in the freshwater habitat.</p>
<p>Of course this is if the sighting is even genuine. Like Lyndon, I am more inclined to discount this one in absence of any other evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greatqualitygoods wrote:

&lt;em&gt;"it’s possible it swam in on a high tide or perhaps it swam in as a baby."&lt;/em&gt;

Considering it is estimated that a great white shark will take approx 15 years to reach a length of 15 ft, that would mean the shark would have to have been there for decades to get to 22ft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greatqualitygoods wrote:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;it’s possible it swam in on a high tide or perhaps it swam in as a baby.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Considering it is estimated that a great white shark will take approx 15 years to reach a length of 15 ft, that would mean the shark would have to have been there for decades to get to 22ft.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the 21ft great white shark in Tuggerah Lake with a large pinch (make that a shovel) of salt. Why do all these reports have to mention 'giant sized' great white sharks? This immediately calls the 'claim' into question.

A few years back there was a dead 5ft baby great white shark found in Tuggerah Lake (there is suspected to be a white shark nursery/pupping ground close by) there but a 20 ft plus great white shark? This would have been fully established by now and would have been spotted frequently. You can't hide a shark that large there, particularly as great white sharks have a penchant for swimming at or close to the surface.

Unless there is more evidence to support this claim, I would discount it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the 21ft great white shark in Tuggerah Lake with a large pinch (make that a shovel) of salt. Why do all these reports have to mention &#8216;giant sized&#8217; great white sharks? This immediately calls the &#8216;claim&#8217; into question.</p>
<p>A few years back there was a dead 5ft baby great white shark found in Tuggerah Lake (there is suspected to be a white shark nursery/pupping ground close by) there but a 20 ft plus great white shark? This would have been fully established by now and would have been spotted frequently. You can&#8217;t hide a shark that large there, particularly as great white sharks have a penchant for swimming at or close to the surface.</p>
<p>Unless there is more evidence to support this claim, I would discount it.</p>
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		<title>By: greatqualitygoods</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camperguy:

Tuggerah lake is connected to the ocean  some places are only ankle deep but other places are a lot deeper upto 20mtrs depending on the tide.

the mouth of the lake that connects to the ocean is anywhere between 150 - 200mtrs wide.

there are a few caravan parks along the edge with plenty of recreational skiing and swimming areas.

there have been plenty of sharks in there over the last 30 years, but nothing that big. it's possible it swam in on a high tide or perhaps it swam in as a baby.

Plenty of food for it (from memory there is commercial fishing on the lake) along with pelicans and seagulls etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camperguy:</p>
<p>Tuggerah lake is connected to the ocean  some places are only ankle deep but other places are a lot deeper upto 20mtrs depending on the tide.</p>
<p>the mouth of the lake that connects to the ocean is anywhere between 150 - 200mtrs wide.</p>
<p>there are a few caravan parks along the edge with plenty of recreational skiing and swimming areas.</p>
<p>there have been plenty of sharks in there over the last 30 years, but nothing that big. it&#8217;s possible it swam in on a high tide or perhaps it swam in as a baby.</p>
<p>Plenty of food for it (from memory there is commercial fishing on the lake) along with pelicans and seagulls etc.</p>
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		<title>By: korollocke</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/great-whites-08/#comment-45150</link>
		<dc:creator>korollocke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who's to say, perhaps there is a subspecies of undiscovered cryptid fresh water sharks, I mean after all there are saltwater crocs why not fresh water sharks? There are a lot of unexplained drownings in lakes and rivers where bodies are never found. A bit in left field, but prove me wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s to say, perhaps there is a subspecies of undiscovered cryptid fresh water sharks, I mean after all there are saltwater crocs why not fresh water sharks? There are a lot of unexplained drownings in lakes and rivers where bodies are never found. A bit in left field, but prove me wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: flame821</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CamperGuy,

regarding the other shark story; I know Bull Sharks are known for swimming up fresh water rivers and they do tend to be very aggressive.  I believe Bull Sharks top the list of 'man-eating' sharks.

Apparently these sharks can survive in fresh water for quite a long time due to a 'salt reservoir' in their bodies that keep their chemistry and electrolytes in balance.  I'm not sure if any other sharks can manage this feat or not.

The Aussie shark story fascinates me, it does seem to be MUCH too small a lake for such a large shark, especially if the quote regarding the (lack of) depth is accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CamperGuy,</p>
<p>regarding the other shark story; I know Bull Sharks are known for swimming up fresh water rivers and they do tend to be very aggressive.  I believe Bull Sharks top the list of &#8216;man-eating&#8217; sharks.</p>
<p>Apparently these sharks can survive in fresh water for quite a long time due to a &#8217;salt reservoir&#8217; in their bodies that keep their chemistry and electrolytes in balance.  I&#8217;m not sure if any other sharks can manage this feat or not.</p>
<p>The Aussie shark story fascinates me, it does seem to be MUCH too small a lake for such a large shark, especially if the quote regarding the (lack of) depth is accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/great-whites-08/#comment-45148</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camperguy- In answer to your question, there are actually quite a few, around 43 species in fact, of elasmobranches (which are cartilaginous fishes like sharks and rays) that are known to utilize freshwater habitats. The most famous of these are probably the bull sharks, which are known to penetrate up rivers and even live in lakes. Famous examples are the Lake Nicaragua sharks and the Ganges river sharks. But these species of freshwater tolerant elasmobranches aren't even confined to sharks such as the bull shark. Some of the most spectacular examples of freshwater osmoregulation occurs in stingrays and sawfish, some species of which live for very extended periods in freshwater. Other elasmobranches, however, are less tolerant of varying salinity levels and it hasn't been conclusively established just how tolerant the Great White is to a freshwater environment.

The main problem is the difference in osmotic pressure between the internal bodily fluids of the shark and the outside environment. When the bodily fluids are "saltier" than the habitat, there is a large influx of water to osmoregulate. This is taken care of the kidneys at a great metabolic cost to the animal and depending on the creatures ability to adjust, they will either die or make up for the energetic requirements for maintaining osmotic pressure. Many species are known to be capable of this, but the Great White isn't known to. Although there are cases of Great Whites being captured in brackish water, this species isn't known to be fond of freshwater environments and I wonder how long it would be able to survive in a lake environment as described here.

Is this all clear? I'm in full science teacher mode here. :)

Concerning how it got there, it must have swum in through a river estuary, since even long term freshwater sharks, such as the Lake Nicaragua sharks, do not breed in freshwater. It either swam in or was intentionally released there, and considering the high metabolic cost of trying to adjust to a freshwater environment, I'd be willing to bet that if this shark got into the lake on its own, it did so by accident and is trapped. Considering the evidence of Great White's ability to stand freshwater, I think it is very likely that it may not survive in this lake for long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camperguy- In answer to your question, there are actually quite a few, around 43 species in fact, of elasmobranches (which are cartilaginous fishes like sharks and rays) that are known to utilize freshwater habitats. The most famous of these are probably the bull sharks, which are known to penetrate up rivers and even live in lakes. Famous examples are the Lake Nicaragua sharks and the Ganges river sharks. But these species of freshwater tolerant elasmobranches aren&#8217;t even confined to sharks such as the bull shark. Some of the most spectacular examples of freshwater osmoregulation occurs in stingrays and sawfish, some species of which live for very extended periods in freshwater. Other elasmobranches, however, are less tolerant of varying salinity levels and it hasn&#8217;t been conclusively established just how tolerant the Great White is to a freshwater environment.</p>
<p>The main problem is the difference in osmotic pressure between the internal bodily fluids of the shark and the outside environment. When the bodily fluids are &#8220;saltier&#8221; than the habitat, there is a large influx of water to osmoregulate. This is taken care of the kidneys at a great metabolic cost to the animal and depending on the creatures ability to adjust, they will either die or make up for the energetic requirements for maintaining osmotic pressure. Many species are known to be capable of this, but the Great White isn&#8217;t known to. Although there are cases of Great Whites being captured in brackish water, this species isn&#8217;t known to be fond of freshwater environments and I wonder how long it would be able to survive in a lake environment as described here.</p>
<p>Is this all clear? I&#8217;m in full science teacher mode here. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Concerning how it got there, it must have swum in through a river estuary, since even long term freshwater sharks, such as the Lake Nicaragua sharks, do not breed in freshwater. It either swam in or was intentionally released there, and considering the high metabolic cost of trying to adjust to a freshwater environment, I&#8217;d be willing to bet that if this shark got into the lake on its own, it did so by accident and is trapped. Considering the evidence of Great White&#8217;s ability to stand freshwater, I think it is very likely that it may not survive in this lake for long.</p>
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		<title>By: CamperGuy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dougal Longfoot  thanks for the info.

Now I am wondering if it just recently got there or been there for awhile.......enough food?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dougal Longfoot  thanks for the info.</p>
<p>Now I am wondering if it just recently got there or been there for awhile&#8230;&#8230;.enough food?</p>
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