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		<title>By: MultipleEncounters</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women (just as men) should of course have an equal footing (pun intended :) ) within the field, especially those who are earnest in their pursuits.   However, just because someone is a woman, does not 'automatically' make her a good field researcher.   The same goes for men.I believe there is something more intrinsic necessary to be a good researcher, and maybe there are more women who have this ability then men, but simply being a woman is not an automatic credential.   Some women just don't have it, just as many men don't.  Sure men and women are clearly different in many respects.  A male bigfoot may view a human woman as something to admire (That would be a bigfoot being sexist in this example not me) :) .  Whose to say a female bigfoot does not view human men in the same way?   Every species has their idiosyncrasies that must be approached differently, clearly these sasquatch are the most challenging of all.  Look at how the 'Wolf Whisperer' is engaging and interacting with a pack of wolves, he uses their dominance techniques to take on a role as Alpha male and had to submit when a new Alpha came along during his interim leave.   Part of the secret for men may be to leave the testosterone at home when it comes to bigfoot, because we would never be Alpha in their realm.    I do believe part of being a good primate researcher requires empathy and understanding for the subject, an inherent ability that only handful of male  but more female researchers have.    Sure there are other requirements as well, such as developing a trust with your subjects, an awareness of their presence, field savvy, and knowing how NOT to 'appear' as a threat.  But these are not women-only skills, and not every woman has them.  Certainly less men may have such skills, and men will have to work harder to attain them.   'Nurture vs nature' should be applied to research techniques, but of course it's not always easy for men to display this 'nurture' side.

I truly admire Jane Goodall and the late Dian Fossey for their work.  They documented how such methods of research should occur.  Goodall didn't begin her studies with a PhD either, so like any major discovery, we should not necessarily think we must rely on some scientist with credentials in this field to make the ultimate discovery.  (Besides, bigfoot was already discovered by Native Americans long ago!)  This does not mean everyone can be an automatic scientist either.   There are professional techniques and protocols that must be developed and adhered to, and most lay-persons do not have this ability.   It will take a special person to bridge the gap between species in this field.

I suspect that Dr. Goodall has reached a stage in her life where she has recognized that a new breed of researcher (male and female) are appropriate to carry the torch and make their own history in the field of sasquatch research.   If she felt otherwise, she would have invested her time here long ago.  Obviously she is very intrigued by the existence of such creatures, and rightfully so.    She has probably even gone out on a few private expeditions to experience their presence.

In respect to her mentor Louis Leakey, and the subtitle of the book referenced above "The Woman Who Redefined Man', I'd like to envision a couple of different meanings to that.   I realize it appropriately refers to when she documented chimpanzees fabricating and using tools, and Louis Leakey stated: "Now we must define tool, redefine man, or accept chimpanzees as humans."   This is only a faint memory to me, but luckily it is on Jane Goodall's website.  (Yeah, I cheated on that one, but I remembered it after I read it. ;) )  The point I am getting to is, this dilemma of redefining man, may once again become a factor when sasquatch is once and for all classified and better understood.   Based on my personal experiences, they aren't some mere giant ape.  Sasquatch's place in the evolutionary tree will likely rock this world in ways we can not presently imagine.   Leakey's statement may be more profound at this time in the future then anyone could ever imagine.    Sasquatch has human traits but they also have their wild ape-like traits, so this is all still up in the air.    If as I believe from my personal observations, sasquatch turns out to be something in between, or something with early human origins, yeah, we may well be redefining what humans are.   It is unfortunate that the cliche in the field do not allow those who have theorized in this area to have their say before being criticized, but that's the way all great discoveries tend to go.   The establishment generally rejects the challenger to the status quo comfort zone, and yet time and time again, outlandish new ideas end up being substantiated.  Mainstream science at the time did not believe that chimps were capable of fabricating tools and look how that turned out.   One thing we humans must remember that I will often repeat, we have more hairs on our bodies then chimpanzees do.  (Well, except for those who do the hot wax thing anyhow).  The hairs are very tiny but they are there.

Our sasquatch subject may have a far higher intellect then we can imagine, clearly they have been outsmarting us at every turn.   But they may fear us because more often then not, because the 'yahoos' of our species fire upon them first.   And since/if they don't have the same speech capabilities we have, then they would only experience frustration through any attempts at befriending us, especially when we react in fear or confrontation at first glance.   There has been decades/centuries of aggressive conditioning that has taken place with both our species towards one another.  We are afraid of them.  They are afraid of us.  We shoot at them.  They can do whatever they please with us in their environment.  Today there is a wide bridge that must be gapped between our two species and it won't come easy.

Also look at the response some researchers have received when they stated bf was of human origin.  This field is not very tolerant and really does not allow an airing of claims before passing judgement.  Some of the forums really are immature in this respect.   Even the subject of ESP, which may be so natural to animals, and a field that our own government has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in, is met with sheer closed-mindedness by many within this field.  Any researcher worth their weight has experienced the hair raise on the back of their neck feeling like you were being watched.   That my friends is ESP in its rawest form.  I suspect even Jane Goodall has recognized similar traits present in her subjects.   I did not see it, but apparently there is an 'Animal Planet' episode that demonstrates Jane Goodall is aware of telepathy existing in animals.  Why is it so difficult for so many here?   In fact, there was a successful experiment elsewhere where the reactions of monkeys across a water body were monitored in response to a stimulus with some distant members.   Unfortunately I can't remember the name or details of it, but maybe someone here can post it.  When everyone stops thinking of ESP as something with strictly a paranormal stigma, and objectively looks at it as with any scientific pursuit, just as many universities have done, then the bigfoot field will mature one step forward.   It may be sasquatch has one significant advantage over us, and until we recognize these attributes shared by many species in the animal kingdom, we'll continue being two steps back.   But that is for another thread.  However Jane Goodall is one scientist who has an open mind, and I would hope that everyone else would be a little more tolerant in this respect.   I will always be open minded in this area as well.

Oh, the other 'Redefining Man' part, I meant other 'guys' like myself, who watched Goodall and Fossey on TV as youngsters, and wanted to grow up and do something similarly as important as they did.   Those who were affected in this way and who instilled within themselves 'empathy' for other living things, may ultimately be the ones who make history in this field.  The legacy left here is available to either male or female as far as that goes.  Ms. Goodall and the Late Ms. Fossey gave something to us all.

David Rodriguez
Springfield, Oregon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women (just as men) should of course have an equal footing (pun intended <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) within the field, especially those who are earnest in their pursuits.   However, just because someone is a woman, does not &#8216;automatically&#8217; make her a good field researcher.   The same goes for men.I believe there is something more intrinsic necessary to be a good researcher, and maybe there are more women who have this ability then men, but simply being a woman is not an automatic credential.   Some women just don&#8217;t have it, just as many men don&#8217;t.  Sure men and women are clearly different in many respects.  A male bigfoot may view a human woman as something to admire (That would be a bigfoot being sexist in this example not me) <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Whose to say a female bigfoot does not view human men in the same way?   Every species has their idiosyncrasies that must be approached differently, clearly these sasquatch are the most challenging of all.  Look at how the &#8216;Wolf Whisperer&#8217; is engaging and interacting with a pack of wolves, he uses their dominance techniques to take on a role as Alpha male and had to submit when a new Alpha came along during his interim leave.   Part of the secret for men may be to leave the testosterone at home when it comes to bigfoot, because we would never be Alpha in their realm.    I do believe part of being a good primate researcher requires empathy and understanding for the subject, an inherent ability that only handful of male  but more female researchers have.    Sure there are other requirements as well, such as developing a trust with your subjects, an awareness of their presence, field savvy, and knowing how NOT to &#8216;appear&#8217; as a threat.  But these are not women-only skills, and not every woman has them.  Certainly less men may have such skills, and men will have to work harder to attain them.   &#8216;Nurture vs nature&#8217; should be applied to research techniques, but of course it&#8217;s not always easy for men to display this &#8216;nurture&#8217; side.</p>
<p>I truly admire Jane Goodall and the late Dian Fossey for their work.  They documented how such methods of research should occur.  Goodall didn&#8217;t begin her studies with a PhD either, so like any major discovery, we should not necessarily think we must rely on some scientist with credentials in this field to make the ultimate discovery.  (Besides, bigfoot was already discovered by Native Americans long ago!)  This does not mean everyone can be an automatic scientist either.   There are professional techniques and protocols that must be developed and adhered to, and most lay-persons do not have this ability.   It will take a special person to bridge the gap between species in this field.</p>
<p>I suspect that Dr. Goodall has reached a stage in her life where she has recognized that a new breed of researcher (male and female) are appropriate to carry the torch and make their own history in the field of sasquatch research.   If she felt otherwise, she would have invested her time here long ago.  Obviously she is very intrigued by the existence of such creatures, and rightfully so.    She has probably even gone out on a few private expeditions to experience their presence.</p>
<p>In respect to her mentor Louis Leakey, and the subtitle of the book referenced above &#8220;The Woman Who Redefined Man&#8217;, I&#8217;d like to envision a couple of different meanings to that.   I realize it appropriately refers to when she documented chimpanzees fabricating and using tools, and Louis Leakey stated: &#8220;Now we must define tool, redefine man, or accept chimpanzees as humans.&#8221;   This is only a faint memory to me, but luckily it is on Jane Goodall&#8217;s website.  (Yeah, I cheated on that one, but I remembered it after I read it. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )  The point I am getting to is, this dilemma of redefining man, may once again become a factor when sasquatch is once and for all classified and better understood.   Based on my personal experiences, they aren&#8217;t some mere giant ape.  Sasquatch&#8217;s place in the evolutionary tree will likely rock this world in ways we can not presently imagine.   Leakey&#8217;s statement may be more profound at this time in the future then anyone could ever imagine.    Sasquatch has human traits but they also have their wild ape-like traits, so this is all still up in the air.    If as I believe from my personal observations, sasquatch turns out to be something in between, or something with early human origins, yeah, we may well be redefining what humans are.   It is unfortunate that the cliche in the field do not allow those who have theorized in this area to have their say before being criticized, but that&#8217;s the way all great discoveries tend to go.   The establishment generally rejects the challenger to the status quo comfort zone, and yet time and time again, outlandish new ideas end up being substantiated.  Mainstream science at the time did not believe that chimps were capable of fabricating tools and look how that turned out.   One thing we humans must remember that I will often repeat, we have more hairs on our bodies then chimpanzees do.  (Well, except for those who do the hot wax thing anyhow).  The hairs are very tiny but they are there.</p>
<p>Our sasquatch subject may have a far higher intellect then we can imagine, clearly they have been outsmarting us at every turn.   But they may fear us because more often then not, because the &#8216;yahoos&#8217; of our species fire upon them first.   And since/if they don&#8217;t have the same speech capabilities we have, then they would only experience frustration through any attempts at befriending us, especially when we react in fear or confrontation at first glance.   There has been decades/centuries of aggressive conditioning that has taken place with both our species towards one another.  We are afraid of them.  They are afraid of us.  We shoot at them.  They can do whatever they please with us in their environment.  Today there is a wide bridge that must be gapped between our two species and it won&#8217;t come easy.</p>
<p>Also look at the response some researchers have received when they stated bf was of human origin.  This field is not very tolerant and really does not allow an airing of claims before passing judgement.  Some of the forums really are immature in this respect.   Even the subject of ESP, which may be so natural to animals, and a field that our own government has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in, is met with sheer closed-mindedness by many within this field.  Any researcher worth their weight has experienced the hair raise on the back of their neck feeling like you were being watched.   That my friends is ESP in its rawest form.  I suspect even Jane Goodall has recognized similar traits present in her subjects.   I did not see it, but apparently there is an &#8216;Animal Planet&#8217; episode that demonstrates Jane Goodall is aware of telepathy existing in animals.  Why is it so difficult for so many here?   In fact, there was a successful experiment elsewhere where the reactions of monkeys across a water body were monitored in response to a stimulus with some distant members.   Unfortunately I can&#8217;t remember the name or details of it, but maybe someone here can post it.  When everyone stops thinking of ESP as something with strictly a paranormal stigma, and objectively looks at it as with any scientific pursuit, just as many universities have done, then the bigfoot field will mature one step forward.   It may be sasquatch has one significant advantage over us, and until we recognize these attributes shared by many species in the animal kingdom, we&#8217;ll continue being two steps back.   But that is for another thread.  However Jane Goodall is one scientist who has an open mind, and I would hope that everyone else would be a little more tolerant in this respect.   I will always be open minded in this area as well.</p>
<p>Oh, the other &#8216;Redefining Man&#8217; part, I meant other &#8216;guys&#8217; like myself, who watched Goodall and Fossey on TV as youngsters, and wanted to grow up and do something similarly as important as they did.   Those who were affected in this way and who instilled within themselves &#8216;empathy&#8217; for other living things, may ultimately be the ones who make history in this field.  The legacy left here is available to either male or female as far as that goes.  Ms. Goodall and the Late Ms. Fossey gave something to us all.</p>
<p>David Rodriguez<br />
Springfield, Oregon</p>
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		<title>By: Bob K.</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/good-all-bf/#comment-30941</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 07:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, mrbf, and who better than Dr. Goodall? Not only would her experience in the observation of and interaction with higher primates be vital, but its been said over and over that Squatches have less fear of women than men. Would Dr. Goodall be the prime candidate to be the first western researcher to have a family group of Bigfoot become so habituated to her, that a decent film study could be made? I personally believe the 'Squatch to be a good deal more advanced in nearly every physical and mental aspect than any gorilla, but it is an ape just the same, IMHO. I wonder if the good Dr. would be up to such a challenge this late in her life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, mrbf, and who better than Dr. Goodall? Not only would her experience in the observation of and interaction with higher primates be vital, but its been said over and over that Squatches have less fear of women than men. Would Dr. Goodall be the prime candidate to be the first western researcher to have a family group of Bigfoot become so habituated to her, that a decent film study could be made? I personally believe the &#8216;Squatch to be a good deal more advanced in nearly every physical and mental aspect than any gorilla, but it is an ape just the same, IMHO. I wonder if the good Dr. would be up to such a challenge this late in her life?</p>
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		<title>By: lamarkable</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/good-all-bf/#comment-30940</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 02:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife is an accomplished professional who has survived political predation by males with a strong will and a quick analytical mind. She also knows how to defend herself. Alot of the comments are off topic and if they were said in a managerial setting, frankly they would considered to be evidentiary of someone who lacks the good graces and common sense to be in a responsible position. Especially any comments on "good lookin women" sounds like a rube out of his depth to me.

Sexism and sex is a power game of political interpersonal relationships  My wife is very attractive but on a professional level she makes her money the old fashioned way, she earns it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife is an accomplished professional who has survived political predation by males with a strong will and a quick analytical mind. She also knows how to defend herself. Alot of the comments are off topic and if they were said in a managerial setting, frankly they would considered to be evidentiary of someone who lacks the good graces and common sense to be in a responsible position. Especially any comments on &#8220;good lookin women&#8221; sounds like a rube out of his depth to me.</p>
<p>Sexism and sex is a power game of political interpersonal relationships  My wife is very attractive but on a professional level she makes her money the old fashioned way, she earns it.</p>
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		<title>By: jkcrl1961</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 02:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jane goodall absolutely one of the top in the world. hard act to follow.spring usually brings young ones so when in the wilderness keep an eye or ear out for baby bigfoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jane goodall absolutely one of the top in the world. hard act to follow.spring usually brings young ones so when in the wilderness keep an eye or ear out for baby bigfoot.</p>
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		<title>By: Arctodus</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/good-all-bf/#comment-30938</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 01:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane Goodall truly is the woman who redifined man.

My kudos to this awesome human force.

-MultipleEncounters

Jane Goodall has stated that she's heard stories from peoples she's met all over the world speaking of local hominids unknown to western science with a matter of fact attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Goodall truly is the woman who redifined man.</p>
<p>My kudos to this awesome human force.</p>
<p>-MultipleEncounters</p>
<p>Jane Goodall has stated that she&#8217;s heard stories from peoples she&#8217;s met all over the world speaking of local hominids unknown to western science with a matter of fact attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: mrbf2006</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, Loren. Dr. Goodall is a true pioneer of studies into chimpanzees, and it would be wonderful if she were to locate a group of Sasquatches and observe them as he did the chimps. That footage would go a long way towards proving their existence. More power to you, Dr. Goodall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Loren. Dr. Goodall is a true pioneer of studies into chimpanzees, and it would be wonderful if she were to locate a group of Sasquatches and observe them as he did the chimps. That footage would go a long way towards proving their existence. More power to you, Dr. Goodall.</p>
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		<title>By: Tengu</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 18:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's my theory that's she's heard something in Africa...maybe even seen something herself.

According to Heuvelmans book in french upon the subject, there's certainly a lot of hominid activity down there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my theory that&#8217;s she&#8217;s heard something in Africa&#8230;maybe even seen something herself.</p>
<p>According to Heuvelmans book in french upon the subject, there&#8217;s certainly a lot of hominid activity down there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceroill</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/good-all-bf/#comment-30935</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes her all the more remarkable, in my view is that she wasn't a trained scientist. She was a well educated, determined amateur. If I recall correctly, when she began nobody took her seriously at all, just because of that point. It was only after several years of steady, scrupulously documented, unceasing, consistent results that this changed. Slowly she gained the respect of professional biologists and primatologists.

At least...this is how I recall things. If I'm incorrect, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes her all the more remarkable, in my view is that she wasn&#8217;t a trained scientist. She was a well educated, determined amateur. If I recall correctly, when she began nobody took her seriously at all, just because of that point. It was only after several years of steady, scrupulously documented, unceasing, consistent results that this changed. Slowly she gained the respect of professional biologists and primatologists.</p>
<p>At least&#8230;this is how I recall things. If I&#8217;m incorrect, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Michaels</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/good-all-bf/#comment-30934</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 16:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A truly great lady.</description>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/good-all-bf/#comment-30933</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 16:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dr. Jane Goodall possesses something most do not have, its an inner strength that comes from knowing what you want - and going directly for it.  Dr. Goodall is a woman I admire, and have most of my life, in large part for what she has accomplished.  She set out specifically to do something, and that's exactly what she did, and she did it successfully. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excellent article Mr. Coleman. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While Dr. Goodall promoted herself through photographs, how many people remembered that? I'm willing to bet not many. You can promote yourself, and make the delivery of that information secondary to the person you are and the work you're doing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It's all in the delivery.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Jane Goodall possesses something most do not have, its an inner strength that comes from knowing what you want - and going directly for it.  Dr. Goodall is a woman I admire, and have most of my life, in large part for what she has accomplished.  She set out specifically to do something, and that&#8217;s exactly what she did, and she did it successfully. </p>
<p>Excellent article Mr. Coleman. </p>
<p>While Dr. Goodall promoted herself through photographs, how many people remembered that? I&#8217;m willing to bet not many. You can promote yourself, and make the delivery of that information secondary to the person you are and the work you&#8217;re doing. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all in the delivery.</p>
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