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Tony Lucas stated:I am forced to ask myself however if Rex has found this proof why has he not notified the appropriate authorities, being the Department of conservation to arrange for some protection of the area and the birds. That would be the appropriate channels to go through.

Tony; the birds are actually in a National Park, they are already protected by New Zealand laws and regulations. Did you read what they actually said about Rex Tony??

Who would share these discoveries with these people who state they have searched all of New Zealand, every single inch and no MOA exists, must look or make them look a bit silly to find these giant Moa right under their noses where they claim they do treks yearly etc..

The cast and track photos show that they are not doing their job, as these birds still exist under their noses. reminds me of the Wollemi pines, dinosaur trees found in Australia. Scientists were actually in the same ravines for 25 years doing tree/fern research. One scientist asked why after all that time he didn’t notice something so ancient and important said; “I didn’t think to look up”. So here we have an ancient species not known to science right under scientists noses as the Moa is. Maori’s know of their whereabouts, as they do other so called extinct creatures which still survive.

The casts speak for themselves. The show a living creature. The casts and tracks show more than one as well…Possibly three or even more. The detail in the cast showing muscles and even a deformity shows it to be living.

Tony I emailed them (National Parks) and they said that they just don’t believe they exist and do not go looking for them for that reason. I could send them photos of the casts but they just aren’t interested. They are when a newspaper asks them but in reality think it is a waste of time. If all this was a waste of time many of you in here would not be into what you are into and research., that right Loren??

It is bi-pedal reptile that is from the top end of Australia, known to the Aborigine/Koori, of which rock art survives. There were more tracks, only this was castable.

On the web site-written in monthly newsletters and magazines, sent out to major newspapers and Tv and radio. Rex has tried to have them looked at. When you say independent scientists, there is such a thing??Independent of whom?>?

If you read the text from these scientists they state there is nothing therefore he has nothing simple as that. I don’t know what it is like in America but here in Australia and in New Zealand scientists just are not interested.

Read any book on the moa they all start or end with
“EXTINCT”.!These scientists will not retract that statement no mater how good the evidence.

These track show very good detail which any scientist would instantly see is the real deal.

If you are anyone know of any scientist willing to view them feel free to pass there name on. I won’t be holding my breath. Rex has a 2 Million yr old Moa skull too but even that is not looked at, so what chance of casts of tracks??

First; before Rex & Heather departed to New Zealand, there was a barrage of news reports in New Zealand.

Some of these were from scientists, local park rangers and even a quote (which turned out to be false) from the Dinosaur lady-Joan Wiffen, affectionately known as “the Dragon Lady”.

QUOTE:Palaeontologist Joan Wiffen, 85, of Havelock North, who made the first discovery of dinosaur bones in New Zealand, said it would be a sensation if the Gilroys found living moa, but she would not be holding her breath. It was more likely they were enjoying ” a bit of a dream”.
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The above never happened. Rex and Heather actually met and stayed and filmed Joan at her home and she did not say that quote!

People ask why didn’t they show them to the local scientists and rangers.

QUOTE:”Associate professor of zoology at Otago University, David Wharton, dismissed the claims, saying there would have been more sightings if they were still alive.

“I would have thought he would have more luck finding them in Fiordland, where there are fewer people. I think people would have noticed them before now if they were in the Ureweras. It doesn’t sound very likely to me.”
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QUOTE”Craig Foss MP-Elected Member of the New Zealand Parliament. -These Aussies have just got to be extracting the urine. The only Moa’s and Mowers in the Bay are in the museum or are used for cutting grass.END QUOTE

QUOTE:Wairoa Land Search and Rescue and Urewera veteran Dave Withers says, however, that with large teams of volunteers covering huge areas of the forest park in searches and training each year he would have heard if some sign of the assumed-extinct birds had been found.

“I’ve never heard of them,” he said.

“With the amount of ground our guys cover, 40 to 60 people, they spread out and cover the ground – surely if they were about in this area I would have heard.”

He said there was “the odd wallaby” in the park, and larger-than-average feral cats, but he was not aware of reports of mystery tracks.END QUOTE.

This was some of what was being written at the time, yet when Rex tried to have articles written showing the casts and the latest expedition in New Zealand weeks after the return to Australia-only one or two newspaper would write about it (no photo’s though).

I have waited for months for any New Zealand Australian newspaper to show the latest casts. Nothing but silence.

It is not lack of trying on the Gilroy’s part it is just no-one wants to look at them, although they were quite happy earlier in the year to give their opinion-usually downplayed the prospects.

Rex has always written about all his discoveries. He has offered any scientist to come and take casts/molds/photographs of anything he has discovered. We put up on the web sites information, we try to contact newspapers and radio etc..to talk about the latest discoveries.

If the scientist’s and park rangers were so interested in this they would not have been so silent since. All it takes is a simple phone call or email to contact Rex and they can ask him all they want..

I think we should be asking why have none of the rangers, scientists or newspapers quoted in numerous online articles bothered to follow up the story?

Rex wants the Moa protected (as he does the yowie in Australia) he doesn’t want hunters etc..tramping there trying to shoot them.

ausiepath9

I have nothing against this site-against Loren Coleman or anyone else in here.

If it did seem that way then I am apologising now to Loren for the misunderstanding and the way I typed what I did.

I hope that clears that up.

Rex’s associate got in touch with me to say that Rex did make some pretty fantastic finds while he was here in New Zealand.
I have however seen nothing about these finds in any of the local media nor has any evidence of them been presented to me for examination by photographs or otherwise.
I do admit I was informed that the Gilroy’s tried to contact me while they were here in New Zealand, regrettably they were unable to do so as I was tied up with a family crisis at the time.

I’m therefore unable to comment on what Rex did or did not find.

It would certainly be wonderful, and I think most people would agree, if there were Moa in the Hawkes Bay area.

I am forced to ask myself however if Rex has found this proof why has he not notified the appropriate authorities, being the Department of conservation to arrange for some protection of the area and the birds. That would be the appropriate channels to go through.

I must also ask if the evidence is so solid why has it not been examined by specialists in the field and DOC who would in this situation mount a search of the area with appropriate skilled conservation staff.

In a lot of ways I respect Rex’s work, and dedication, all that can be asked is that this proof be put before professionals who if there is anything there will guarantee its conservation and continuation.

Tony Lucas
NZ cryptozoologist

“Why does the crypto community insist that this creature is Gigantopithecus blacki when we don’t even know if it was bidpedal”

And all this based on a few teeth and jaw bones! LMAO

I totally agree with you on that Gianganto theory and hate the fact that people just seem to agree with it without knowing much about Gianganto!

Regarding the PG footage! I used to 100% believe the footage was legit but now I’m no longer sure?!? I can only say that the vocalizations I’ve experienced (would be hard for a human to do) and the hand print and feet prints I’ve come across (unless done by a human to fool me, which would be really tricky aswell due to the dermal ridges and depth of the prints in the type of earth they were done in, it whatever it was had to weigh a whole lot) seems to me that the PG footage is a fake! As you’ve mentionned he went looking for it and after 40 years and all our current technology we cant even come close! If I hadnt experienced my own experience I would right off this whole phenomenon as being a hoax!