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		<title>By: rattmotor</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think giant spiders are possible because of two exteremely large spiders I have seen where I live, and I have witnesses that can back me up. I am from eastern Maryland and when I was out in the woods once years ago, I kicked over a hollowed out dead and rotted tree trunk, and out from the center came a spider that I never had seen or seen since, it may have been a new species for all I know, but it was perfectly camoflauged with the color of the rotted wood, and wasn't noticeable until it ran past my boot, but I got a real good look at it as it stopped for a minute and so did two buddies that were there with me. It was about 6 inches from my boot, and it was larger than the boot I was wearing, and I wear a size 12. It wasn't heavy built like a tarantula, but its legspan was huge for a spider, it was about 15 inches, we tried to catch it but it was as quick as lightning. I know some will think this is impossible for around here, but I know what I saw, we still talk about that spider almost 20 years later. I also once captured a wolf spider that was really big, I measured it and it came in at about 10 inches, I found it living under a piece of plywood, Im not sure if this is common but its the biggest wolf spider I ever saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think giant spiders are possible because of two exteremely large spiders I have seen where I live, and I have witnesses that can back me up. I am from eastern Maryland and when I was out in the woods once years ago, I kicked over a hollowed out dead and rotted tree trunk, and out from the center came a spider that I never had seen or seen since, it may have been a new species for all I know, but it was perfectly camoflauged with the color of the rotted wood, and wasn&#8217;t noticeable until it ran past my boot, but I got a real good look at it as it stopped for a minute and so did two buddies that were there with me. It was about 6 inches from my boot, and it was larger than the boot I was wearing, and I wear a size 12. It wasn&#8217;t heavy built like a tarantula, but its legspan was huge for a spider, it was about 15 inches, we tried to catch it but it was as quick as lightning. I know some will think this is impossible for around here, but I know what I saw, we still talk about that spider almost 20 years later. I also once captured a wolf spider that was really big, I measured it and it came in at about 10 inches, I found it living under a piece of plywood, Im not sure if this is common but its the biggest wolf spider I ever saw.</p>
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		<title>By: wisaaka</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giant spiders are possible, one can argue based on current knowledge of spider mechanics that its impossible, but if the animal is real and unknown then the argument is moot. I agree that an arachnid in its currently known physical layout would be impossibly unwieldy at say anything over 18"-24". 

However,the discussion isn't really arguing that, from what I understand the topic is about a giant spider that is yet unclassified, perhaps we could discuss how a spider could reach those lengths with adaptation and what that the most likely adaptations or changes in body structure that would entail.  That would be insightful.    

Anyhoo, on cryptozoology.com William J. Gibbons is quoted as saying (from his expedition report from the congo in search of Mokele Mbembe):

 "In 1938, Mr. &#38; Mrs. R.K. Lloyd of London, England were driving along a forest road in the former Belgian Congo, when they became aware of a large animate object moving across the road ahead of them. At first they took the object to be a large monkey or jungle cat. However, as they approached the creature, the Lloyd’s curiosity turned to horror as they came face-to-face with a gigantic brown spider. Mr. Lloyd attempted unsuccessfully to retrieve his camera as the giant arachnid simply walked into the forest and disappeared. On this third expedition to Equatorial Africa, I (Gibbons) took the opportunity to enquire if the pygmies knew of such a creature, and indeed they did! The Baka word for spider is Fofi (pronounced foo fee), and Jba means ‘great.’ They speak of the Jba Fofi, which is a ‘giant’ or ‘great spider’. They described a spider that is generally brown in color with a purple abdomen. They grow to quite an enormous size with a leg span of at least five feet. The giant arachnids weave together a lair made of leaves similar in shape to a traditional pygmy hut, and spin a circular web (said to be very strong) between two trees with a strand stretched across a game trail. These giant ground-dwelling spiders prey on the diminutive forest antelope (duiker), birds, and other small game, and are said to be extremely dangerous, not to mention highly venomous. The spiders are said to lay white, peanut-sized eggs in a cluster, and the pygmies give them a wide birth when encountered, but have killed them in the past. The giant spiders were once very common but are now a rare sight. Their dwindling numbers are blamed on the continuing deforestation of their habitat, but they are still encountered from time to time. The Baka chief, Timbo, casually mentioned to us that a giant spider had taken up residence in the forest just behind his village in November 2000, when I (Gibbons) and Dave Woetzel from New Hampshire had visited him! He did not think that we would have been interested in the creature as our interest was focused on Mokele-mbembe at the time! Valuable evidence had eluded us."

I have heard that the louisiana spider doesn't exist, but the J’ba Fofi (congo spider) does in fact exist, and reaches size of about 10 feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giant spiders are possible, one can argue based on current knowledge of spider mechanics that its impossible, but if the animal is real and unknown then the argument is moot. I agree that an arachnid in its currently known physical layout would be impossibly unwieldy at say anything over 18&#8243;-24&#8243;. </p>
<p>However,the discussion isn&#8217;t really arguing that, from what I understand the topic is about a giant spider that is yet unclassified, perhaps we could discuss how a spider could reach those lengths with adaptation and what that the most likely adaptations or changes in body structure that would entail.  That would be insightful.    </p>
<p>Anyhoo, on cryptozoology.com William J. Gibbons is quoted as saying (from his expedition report from the congo in search of Mokele Mbembe):</p>
<p> &#8220;In 1938, Mr. &amp; Mrs. R.K. Lloyd of London, England were driving along a forest road in the former Belgian Congo, when they became aware of a large animate object moving across the road ahead of them. At first they took the object to be a large monkey or jungle cat. However, as they approached the creature, the Lloyd’s curiosity turned to horror as they came face-to-face with a gigantic brown spider. Mr. Lloyd attempted unsuccessfully to retrieve his camera as the giant arachnid simply walked into the forest and disappeared. On this third expedition to Equatorial Africa, I (Gibbons) took the opportunity to enquire if the pygmies knew of such a creature, and indeed they did! The Baka word for spider is Fofi (pronounced foo fee), and Jba means ‘great.’ They speak of the Jba Fofi, which is a ‘giant’ or ‘great spider’. They described a spider that is generally brown in color with a purple abdomen. They grow to quite an enormous size with a leg span of at least five feet. The giant arachnids weave together a lair made of leaves similar in shape to a traditional pygmy hut, and spin a circular web (said to be very strong) between two trees with a strand stretched across a game trail. These giant ground-dwelling spiders prey on the diminutive forest antelope (duiker), birds, and other small game, and are said to be extremely dangerous, not to mention highly venomous. The spiders are said to lay white, peanut-sized eggs in a cluster, and the pygmies give them a wide birth when encountered, but have killed them in the past. The giant spiders were once very common but are now a rare sight. Their dwindling numbers are blamed on the continuing deforestation of their habitat, but they are still encountered from time to time. The Baka chief, Timbo, casually mentioned to us that a giant spider had taken up residence in the forest just behind his village in November 2000, when I (Gibbons) and Dave Woetzel from New Hampshire had visited him! He did not think that we would have been interested in the creature as our interest was focused on Mokele-mbembe at the time! Valuable evidence had eluded us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have heard that the louisiana spider doesn&#8217;t exist, but the J’ba Fofi (congo spider) does in fact exist, and reaches size of about 10 feet.</p>
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		<title>By: HOOSIERHUNTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>HOOSIERHUNTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No fan of spiders here but I'm not particularly afraid of them either.

I don't have any spider stories to share but I think it is important to point out the many personal experiences shared in this column by those who have encountered spiders (as well as other insects) of incredibly large size! I mean, we often accept the friend of a friend's account about bigfoot, and we have here people who have witnessed first hand giant spiders! I realize and appreciate the argument that limit the size of such creatures and I don't discount them, but are we absolutely sure that such creatures, no matter how improbable, cannot exist? Is it possible that some unknown biological adaptation might allow a spider to grow to such a large size? Spiders are, after all, one of the most successful species ever created, perhaps we should not too quickly dismiss such eyewitness descriptions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No fan of spiders here but I&#8217;m not particularly afraid of them either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any spider stories to share but I think it is important to point out the many personal experiences shared in this column by those who have encountered spiders (as well as other insects) of incredibly large size! I mean, we often accept the friend of a friend&#8217;s account about bigfoot, and we have here people who have witnessed first hand giant spiders! I realize and appreciate the argument that limit the size of such creatures and I don&#8217;t discount them, but are we absolutely sure that such creatures, no matter how improbable, cannot exist? Is it possible that some unknown biological adaptation might allow a spider to grow to such a large size? Spiders are, after all, one of the most successful species ever created, perhaps we should not too quickly dismiss such eyewitness descriptions?</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it would be very easy to mistake a big land crab for a giant spider. On the other hand, land crabs are arthropods too, and if a giant land crab with a body a foot across can exist, why not a giant spider? The term "giant" meaning, say, cat-sized) I don't think it's physiologically possible for any land-dwelling arthropod to be much bigger than that, but if a spider's body was cat-sized, its legspan could conceivably be two feet or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it would be very easy to mistake a big land crab for a giant spider. On the other hand, land crabs are arthropods too, and if a giant land crab with a body a foot across can exist, why not a giant spider? The term &#8220;giant&#8221; meaning, say, cat-sized) I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s physiologically possible for any land-dwelling arthropod to be much bigger than that, but if a spider&#8217;s body was cat-sized, its legspan could conceivably be two feet or so.</p>
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		<title>By: sschaper</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EasternIowa, come spring, catch one of those millipedes and be prepared to catch or preserve the squished body of one of those spiders. Maybe offer a very small reward. I bet the correspondent in Colorado would be interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EasternIowa, come spring, catch one of those millipedes and be prepared to catch or preserve the squished body of one of those spiders. Maybe offer a very small reward. I bet the correspondent in Colorado would be interested.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/giantspiders/#comment-50038</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldbob39- I just read your post and that is EXACTLY what I was trying to explain in my own post above that came after yours. Very nice, concise explanation you gave and spot on! I actually teach biology and in my opinion, your explanation was textbook perfect. Good post. 

I too think that spiders cannot really be compared with a terrestrial crustacean like the coconut crab. They have two very different body designs, and even with the coconut crab you are pushing the limits of the size a land arthropod could physically reach. Also, if anyone looks at how a coconut crab moves, they are not swift or stealthy at all. They are actually rather awkward and slow, precisely because they are so big, with heavy, unwieldy exoskeletons. You just are not going to get an arthropod that big scurrying around with any sort of speed.

In my opinion, based on the biology and physics involved, a spider is unlikely to get much bigger than the current record holders. Spiders the size of dogs or bigger are just not probable at all. It is exactly the same reason why I am very skeptical of giant spiders. 

Nevertheless, deadx, your story has officially freaked me out. Thanks for the nightmares tonight. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldbob39- I just read your post and that is EXACTLY what I was trying to explain in my own post above that came after yours. Very nice, concise explanation you gave and spot on! I actually teach biology and in my opinion, your explanation was textbook perfect. Good post. </p>
<p>I too think that spiders cannot really be compared with a terrestrial crustacean like the coconut crab. They have two very different body designs, and even with the coconut crab you are pushing the limits of the size a land arthropod could physically reach. Also, if anyone looks at how a coconut crab moves, they are not swift or stealthy at all. They are actually rather awkward and slow, precisely because they are so big, with heavy, unwieldy exoskeletons. You just are not going to get an arthropod that big scurrying around with any sort of speed.</p>
<p>In my opinion, based on the biology and physics involved, a spider is unlikely to get much bigger than the current record holders. Spiders the size of dogs or bigger are just not probable at all. It is exactly the same reason why I am very skeptical of giant spiders. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, deadx, your story has officially freaked me out. Thanks for the nightmares tonight. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: deadx</title>
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		<dc:creator>deadx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a Green Beret in Viet Nam in 1970. On a mission in Cambodia one night I heard a stealthy sound as everyone else was sleeping and thought at first it was a Viet Cong woodcutter lost in the woods at night but very quickly realized whatever had made the noise had more than 4 legs. From what I could see with my night vision trained eyes it was an animal with several shiny black eyes squatted in front of me at about 10 feet. I took my weapon off "safe" and pointed it at the creature which I estimate was about the size of a 4 wheel ATV. After several terrifying minutes the thing just simply vanished into the woods. I was so scared that my ears were roaring and I couldn't hear anything for awhile after it left. I didn't know for sure what I had seen as it was just too implausible but after reading about R.E. Lloyd's experience in the Congo in a book several years ago I got goosebumps and knew that I wasn't imagining anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a Green Beret in Viet Nam in 1970. On a mission in Cambodia one night I heard a stealthy sound as everyone else was sleeping and thought at first it was a Viet Cong woodcutter lost in the woods at night but very quickly realized whatever had made the noise had more than 4 legs. From what I could see with my night vision trained eyes it was an animal with several shiny black eyes squatted in front of me at about 10 feet. I took my weapon off &#8220;safe&#8221; and pointed it at the creature which I estimate was about the size of a 4 wheel ATV. After several terrifying minutes the thing just simply vanished into the woods. I was so scared that my ears were roaring and I couldn&#8217;t hear anything for awhile after it left. I didn&#8217;t know for sure what I had seen as it was just too implausible but after reading about R.E. Lloyd&#8217;s experience in the Congo in a book several years ago I got goosebumps and knew that I wasn&#8217;t imagining anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Durgee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Durgee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading a little tidbit in some paranormal magazine, maybe Strange Magazine, about a giant spider sighted in Zaire around the turn of the twentieth century.

 If I remember it correctly, the explorer thought it was a wizened pygmy making his way through the swamps ahead.  When he got close he saw that it was in fact a massive spider.

Also, with this flashback I'm surprised no one has updated it with the spider caught in the orb weaver's web: &lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3353693/Giant-spider-eating-a-bird-caught-on-camera.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;horrifying&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading a little tidbit in some paranormal magazine, maybe Strange Magazine, about a giant spider sighted in Zaire around the turn of the twentieth century.</p>
<p> If I remember it correctly, the explorer thought it was a wizened pygmy making his way through the swamps ahead.  When he got close he saw that it was in fact a massive spider.</p>
<p>Also, with this flashback I&#8217;m surprised no one has updated it with the spider caught in the orb weaver&#8217;s web: <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3353693/Giant-spider-eating-a-bird-caught-on-camera.html" rel="nofollow">horrifying</a></p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard88- Anyway, the exoskeleton rule DOES affect the coconut crab. That's why there is a certain limit to its size. They are about as big as you are going to find on land, I would say. I'm not making any of this up. It is simple physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard88- Anyway, the exoskeleton rule DOES affect the coconut crab. That&#8217;s why there is a certain limit to its size. They are about as big as you are going to find on land, I would say. I&#8217;m not making any of this up. It is simple physics.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard88- I didn't say the coconut crab was out of acceptable limits. As a matter of fact, I just said that arthropods the size of dogs was unlikely. What makes you think I was talking about coconut crabs? The fact is that there are physical restraints on land arthropod sizes. But I didn't say anything about the coconut crab. It is certainly not the size of some of the giant spiders reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard88- I didn&#8217;t say the coconut crab was out of acceptable limits. As a matter of fact, I just said that arthropods the size of dogs was unlikely. What makes you think I was talking about coconut crabs? The fact is that there are physical restraints on land arthropod sizes. But I didn&#8217;t say anything about the coconut crab. It is certainly not the size of some of the giant spiders reported.</p>
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