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	<title>Comments on: Giant Monkey of New Hampshire</title>
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		<title>By: neltana</title>
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		<dc:creator>neltana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to point out that there was a disconnect between what the eyewitnesses said and what was reported in this case. The chief reported that the 8 foot distance was from the monkey's tail end to its hands. The chief is also quoted as saying, "It would be quite tall, maybe &lt;em&gt;about four feet&lt;/em&gt;, if it were standing straight up, but they walk on all fours, a bit hunched over."

This is still big for a Humboldt's Woolly Monkey (I see figures of a height around 2 feet and an overall length between 4 and 5 feet), but within the realm of believability. It is hard to estimate the standing height of something as it is hopping across the road on all fours (as it was when the chief saw it).

I think part of the problem is that the Portsmouth Herald and other media outlets simplified this description. The Herald reported that the chief had seen "an eight-foot-tall Humboldt's woolly monkey."

When you see what the chief described rampaging downtown, you call Animal Control. When you see what the Herald reported, you call the National Guard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to point out that there was a disconnect between what the eyewitnesses said and what was reported in this case. The chief reported that the 8 foot distance was from the monkey&#8217;s tail end to its hands. The chief is also quoted as saying, &#8220;It would be quite tall, maybe <em>about four feet</em>, if it were standing straight up, but they walk on all fours, a bit hunched over.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is still big for a Humboldt&#8217;s Woolly Monkey (I see figures of a height around 2 feet and an overall length between 4 and 5 feet), but within the realm of believability. It is hard to estimate the standing height of something as it is hopping across the road on all fours (as it was when the chief saw it).</p>
<p>I think part of the problem is that the Portsmouth Herald and other media outlets simplified this description. The Herald reported that the chief had seen &#8220;an eight-foot-tall Humboldt&#8217;s woolly monkey.&#8221;</p>
<p>When you see what the chief described rampaging downtown, you call Animal Control. When you see what the Herald reported, you call the National Guard!</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rangoon:  points well taken.

What makes this situation and that of, say, the yeti and the sasquatch, different, is that what we are talking about here is a very short period of time, in a very small area, for an event that got a considerable amount of media coverage.

In a situation like this it can be very hard to separate the feces from the facts.  Anything that passes three sets of ears gets on the news.  Anything that seems able to amp ratings gets reported, facts aside.  When one person’s monkey is another’s ape, things can get really out of control.  And Bigfoot gets tossed into the media cauldron whenever a primate is the subject.

All this kinda stuff happens with our other abovementioned cryptids, as well.  What stands out, however, is the consistency of what’s being reported, over huge spans of distance and time, in those cases, long after the droppings have been normalized out of the database.

All that having been said.  I would have a hard time believing that any eyewitness would be so gone on such hard hallucinogens that a monkey sighting could later lead to an account with the words "eight feet" being used to describe anything about the animal.

The brain isn't a camera.  (And cameras, as we have seen many many times here, aren't so reliable themselves.)  And people aren't perfect.

But, generally, people do see what they say they saw.  The trick is in not exaggerating what they said they saw.  Which in this case was apparently an unmanageable trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rangoon:  points well taken.</p>
<p>What makes this situation and that of, say, the yeti and the sasquatch, different, is that what we are talking about here is a very short period of time, in a very small area, for an event that got a considerable amount of media coverage.</p>
<p>In a situation like this it can be very hard to separate the feces from the facts.  Anything that passes three sets of ears gets on the news.  Anything that seems able to amp ratings gets reported, facts aside.  When one person’s monkey is another’s ape, things can get really out of control.  And Bigfoot gets tossed into the media cauldron whenever a primate is the subject.</p>
<p>All this kinda stuff happens with our other abovementioned cryptids, as well.  What stands out, however, is the consistency of what’s being reported, over huge spans of distance and time, in those cases, long after the droppings have been normalized out of the database.</p>
<p>All that having been said.  I would have a hard time believing that any eyewitness would be so gone on such hard hallucinogens that a monkey sighting could later lead to an account with the words &#8220;eight feet&#8221; being used to describe anything about the animal.</p>
<p>The brain isn&#8217;t a camera.  (And cameras, as we have seen many many times here, aren&#8217;t so reliable themselves.)  And people aren&#8217;t perfect.</p>
<p>But, generally, people do see what they say they saw.  The trick is in not exaggerating what they said they saw.  Which in this case was apparently an unmanageable trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Rangoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rangoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who want more info I would point to Mr. Heinselman's post above. He is a reliable reporter of facts imho and his facts are what I understand to be true.

To those who wish to challenge thoughts on eyewitness testimony, 20 years experience in recon; setting up scenarios and debriefing witnesses later can be very telling.

Being a trained observer does count in favor of the witness. Training helps one stay calm and report only what they know for certain in a fast moving situation, but there are still other factors that throw off the eye.

And having a college education doesn't simply make someone a better observer.

One common mistake that witnesses can make is to over estimate the size of an object or animal. Adreneline response from being startled can cause things to look bigger. Estimating range accurately requires training,experience and practice to maintain.

So having a monkey go running by in Danneville NH for 5 seconds might cause your brain to race and even fill in details for you that you didn't see because the brain is not nessicarily a camera.

Just the facts, so save the hail of denials. (grins)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who want more info I would point to Mr. Heinselman&#8217;s post above. He is a reliable reporter of facts imho and his facts are what I understand to be true.</p>
<p>To those who wish to challenge thoughts on eyewitness testimony, 20 years experience in recon; setting up scenarios and debriefing witnesses later can be very telling.</p>
<p>Being a trained observer does count in favor of the witness. Training helps one stay calm and report only what they know for certain in a fast moving situation, but there are still other factors that throw off the eye.</p>
<p>And having a college education doesn&#8217;t simply make someone a better observer.</p>
<p>One common mistake that witnesses can make is to over estimate the size of an object or animal. Adreneline response from being startled can cause things to look bigger. Estimating range accurately requires training,experience and practice to maintain.</p>
<p>So having a monkey go running by in Danneville NH for 5 seconds might cause your brain to race and even fill in details for you that you didn&#8217;t see because the brain is not nessicarily a camera.</p>
<p>Just the facts, so save the hail of denials. (grins)</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too, would like more information from RANGOON.

Like the song says---

"Isn't it ironic---don't ya think?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too, would like more information from RANGOON.</p>
<p>Like the song says&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Isn&#8217;t it ironic&#8212;don&#8217;t ya think?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Radford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Radford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rangoon wrote, "It is a indeed a very good example of how unreliable eyewitnesses can be when examining a situation."

Eyewitnesses are often unreliable? &lt;b&gt;NO WAY!!!&lt;/b&gt; Get ready for an avalanche of denials, people telling you how you're wrong, and that eyewitnesses are actually very reliable, especially police and anyone with a college degree!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rangoon wrote, &#8220;It is a indeed a very good example of how unreliable eyewitnesses can be when examining a situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eyewitnesses are often unreliable? <b>NO WAY!!!</b> Get ready for an avalanche of denials, people telling you how you&#8217;re wrong, and that eyewitnesses are actually very reliable, especially police and anyone with a college degree!</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptid Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cryptid Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the feeling in the more northern parts of the US and Canada there will be more sightings of bigfoot and sasquatch in Whitehall NY, Vermont, New Hampshire, Ontario Canada, and Maine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the feeling in the more northern parts of the US and Canada there will be more sightings of bigfoot and sasquatch in Whitehall NY, Vermont, New Hampshire, Ontario Canada, and Maine</p>
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		<title>By: squatch-toba</title>
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		<dc:creator>squatch-toba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rangoon, I would like some more detail, if you wouldn't mind, of what the heck happened. I knew nothing of any of this until now, thanks to Loren for putting it on the site! How did a pet monkey become an 8 foot "Magilla-Gorilla"?  By the way, I like the "just the facts" deal! If only this would, could apply to all cryptid reports!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rangoon, I would like some more detail, if you wouldn&#8217;t mind, of what the heck happened. I knew nothing of any of this until now, thanks to Loren for putting it on the site! How did a pet monkey become an 8 foot &#8220;Magilla-Gorilla&#8221;?  By the way, I like the &#8220;just the facts&#8221; deal! If only this would, could apply to all cryptid reports!!</p>
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		<title>By: heinselman</title>
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		<dc:creator>heinselman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in August, through November, of 2001 I had a chance to talk with several of the folks involved. Strictly going by memory, as the files are gone, the main culprit that was suspected was an escaped monkey (capuchin or similar).

The description given matched close to the typical monkey, down to the hootin-and-a-hollerin as well as the tail itself.

Still a fascinating part of New Hampshire history in connection to exotic or mystery animals. Even some comedic parts, who could forget the radio station DJ dressed as a gorilla trying to catch the monkey, or the baited traps with marshmallow fluff.

Craig Heinselman
Peterborough, NH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in August, through November, of 2001 I had a chance to talk with several of the folks involved. Strictly going by memory, as the files are gone, the main culprit that was suspected was an escaped monkey (capuchin or similar).</p>
<p>The description given matched close to the typical monkey, down to the hootin-and-a-hollerin as well as the tail itself.</p>
<p>Still a fascinating part of New Hampshire history in connection to exotic or mystery animals. Even some comedic parts, who could forget the radio station DJ dressed as a gorilla trying to catch the monkey, or the baited traps with marshmallow fluff.</p>
<p>Craig Heinselman<br />
Peterborough, NH</p>
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		<title>By: Rangoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rangoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to point out that this was not a cryptid monkey but someone's pet that got away. I come from Salem NH and am very familliar with this story.

"Just the facts ma'am just the facts"

It is a indeed however a very good example of how unreliable eyewitnesses can be when examining a situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to point out that this was not a cryptid monkey but someone&#8217;s pet that got away. I come from Salem NH and am very familliar with this story.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just the facts ma&#8217;am just the facts&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a indeed however a very good example of how unreliable eyewitnesses can be when examining a situation.</p>
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		<title>By: bill green</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting new article about the giant monkey of new hampshire. new hampshire does have good histery of sasquatch related activity. thanks bill green :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting new article about the giant monkey of new hampshire. new hampshire does have good histery of sasquatch related activity. thanks bill green <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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