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	<title>Comments on: Flock of Geese or Giant Bird?</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/geese-or-giant-bird/#comment-50909</link>
		<dc:creator>springheeledjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robotnik, if you thought I was referring to you, I was not.  I was not clear I guess, but what I meant was that there did not seem anything out of the ordinary (other than a flock of birds bringing down a jet) present to suggest something crypto---details that might have eluded to the fact that there might have been another explanation than a flock of birds.  

Since both engines were damaged, and birds were involved, there were almost certainly more than one bird present and involved.

And to MattBille...good reference :)  Johnny is the bestest crypto-cartoon I've ever seen:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robotnik, if you thought I was referring to you, I was not.  I was not clear I guess, but what I meant was that there did not seem anything out of the ordinary (other than a flock of birds bringing down a jet) present to suggest something crypto&#8212;details that might have eluded to the fact that there might have been another explanation than a flock of birds.  </p>
<p>Since both engines were damaged, and birds were involved, there were almost certainly more than one bird present and involved.</p>
<p>And to MattBille&#8230;good reference <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Johnny is the bestest crypto-cartoon I&#8217;ve ever seen:)</p>
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		<title>By: heathert82</title>
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		<dc:creator>heathert82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this online. It was a picture taken of US Airways flight 1549 after being pulled from the Hudson river on January 17, 2009. Is this another "Mothman" sighting? 




http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Hudson-River-Manhattan-New-York/photo//090118/480/1d321d97a6ed454782cafc8b1ea2aef7//s:/ap/plane_splashdown_scenarios</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this online. It was a picture taken of US Airways flight 1549 after being pulled from the Hudson river on January 17, 2009. Is this another &#8220;Mothman&#8221; sighting? </p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Hudson-River-Manhattan-New-York/photo//090118/480/1d321d97a6ed454782cafc8b1ea2aef7//s:/ap/plane_splashdown_scenarios" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Hudson-River-Manhattan-New-York/photo//090118/480/1d321d97a6ed454782cafc8b1ea2aef7//s:/ap/plane_splashdown_scenarios</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fwooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fwooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard of birds flying in 'V' formations before, but not in the shape of a big bird. And if it was multiple smaller birds then why did the pilot claim to see a single, huge bird?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard of birds flying in &#8216;V&#8217; formations before, but not in the shape of a big bird. And if it was multiple smaller birds then why did the pilot claim to see a single, huge bird?</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time a big bird knocked down an airplane and flew away came, I believe in the "old German Ace" episode of the original Jonny Quest series.  How's that for an oscure pop-culture reference?

A large bird took down a four-engined, zillion-dollar USAF B-1B bomber in 1987 when the plane struck a white pelican. The dark humor passed around those of us in the Air Force at the time was that "B-1B" stood for "Birds 1, Bombers nothing."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time a big bird knocked down an airplane and flew away came, I believe in the &#8220;old German Ace&#8221; episode of the original Jonny Quest series.  How&#8217;s that for an oscure pop-culture reference?</p>
<p>A large bird took down a four-engined, zillion-dollar USAF B-1B bomber in 1987 when the plane struck a white pelican. The dark humor passed around those of us in the Air Force at the time was that &#8220;B-1B&#8221; stood for &#8220;Birds 1, Bombers nothing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some other thoughts that I've been having concerning actual collisions with giant birds (rather than sightings) is the matter of the kind of damage the bird itself would sustain, and what this would mean in terms of sightings, physical evidence, and such. 

I doubt a collision of this force would leave the bird entirely unharmed. When a car hits a deer, for instance, whether it runs off or not, there are likely going to be injuries on the deer in addition to the damage to the car. There would almost certainly be physical evidence left behind from such a collision, such as hair or blood. I find it hard to believe that a giant bird would be able to collide with a plane with enough force to make it crash while incurring no injuries of its own, and without leaving a single physical trace behind. If a plane were to be brought down by a giant bird, I would expect that the bird is probably not going to be feeling so hot either. I think this has great importance for the examination of evidence.

Due to its injuries, it could become grounded, or it might not be able to feed itself and in turn search for easy food sources, both of which could possibly expose it to more sightings by hikers and whatnot, or provide a possible approach for cryptozoologists to search for the animal. The creature might fly erratically, which might bring more attention to it, or bring it closer to airspace where more people might see it. The creature might even die from its injuries, which could maybe turn up a corpse if it was found before decomposition and the ravages of scavengers could take full effect. Since the location of the collision would be known, the general area of where to look for a possible body could perhaps be more quickly deduced.

At the very least, some physical evidence could be left behind. Blood, feathers, even careful examination of the points of impact upon the plane caused by a large animal, the these sorts of things would go a long way towards trying to identify a giant mystery bird. 

These are just a few things that I think need to be considered when weighing these giant bird collision reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some other thoughts that I&#8217;ve been having concerning actual collisions with giant birds (rather than sightings) is the matter of the kind of damage the bird itself would sustain, and what this would mean in terms of sightings, physical evidence, and such. </p>
<p>I doubt a collision of this force would leave the bird entirely unharmed. When a car hits a deer, for instance, whether it runs off or not, there are likely going to be injuries on the deer in addition to the damage to the car. There would almost certainly be physical evidence left behind from such a collision, such as hair or blood. I find it hard to believe that a giant bird would be able to collide with a plane with enough force to make it crash while incurring no injuries of its own, and without leaving a single physical trace behind. If a plane were to be brought down by a giant bird, I would expect that the bird is probably not going to be feeling so hot either. I think this has great importance for the examination of evidence.</p>
<p>Due to its injuries, it could become grounded, or it might not be able to feed itself and in turn search for easy food sources, both of which could possibly expose it to more sightings by hikers and whatnot, or provide a possible approach for cryptozoologists to search for the animal. The creature might fly erratically, which might bring more attention to it, or bring it closer to airspace where more people might see it. The creature might even die from its injuries, which could maybe turn up a corpse if it was found before decomposition and the ravages of scavengers could take full effect. Since the location of the collision would be known, the general area of where to look for a possible body could perhaps be more quickly deduced.</p>
<p>At the very least, some physical evidence could be left behind. Blood, feathers, even careful examination of the points of impact upon the plane caused by a large animal, the these sorts of things would go a long way towards trying to identify a giant mystery bird. </p>
<p>These are just a few things that I think need to be considered when weighing these giant bird collision reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Robotik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robotik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not saying this was a weird encounter, I was commenting on Loren's comments about large wing spanned birds being sighted by pilots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not saying this was a weird encounter, I was commenting on Loren&#8217;s comments about large wing spanned birds being sighted by pilots.</p>
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		<title>By: gkingdano</title>
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		<dc:creator>gkingdano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that both engines were damage and quit to cause the emergency land in the river.  I don't see how a "giant bird" could damage both engines and not be seen on the airport radar beforehand.  If a "giant bird" was that big &#38; in the area of the airport it WOULD show up on the radar designed to see plane of that size.  I think this is just disparate news to make a blog on a slow day.  BIRDS STRIKE PLANE EVERY DAY.  Are they all "giant birds" or just the ones that make the evening news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that both engines were damage and quit to cause the emergency land in the river.  I don&#8217;t see how a &#8220;giant bird&#8221; could damage both engines and not be seen on the airport radar beforehand.  If a &#8220;giant bird&#8221; was that big &amp; in the area of the airport it WOULD show up on the radar designed to see plane of that size.  I think this is just disparate news to make a blog on a slow day.  BIRDS STRIKE PLANE EVERY DAY.  Are they all &#8220;giant birds&#8221; or just the ones that make the evening news?</p>
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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>springheeledjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with those two above mentioned sightings, in those cases the pilots reported seeing a single bird, so I am inclined to go along with Mystery-man here...

I see the point Loren is trying to make here, with possibilities, but again, if there is no "weirdness" mentioned, it's better not to start trying to look for it...but in such cases look at all the info to see if there are any indications of possible cryptid intervention.

Concerning giant birds, however, I could see how something that size would probably take an interest in a single engine plane, and possibly follow it or interfere with it out of curiosity...or even possibly seeing it as a threat to its space/territory...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with those two above mentioned sightings, in those cases the pilots reported seeing a single bird, so I am inclined to go along with Mystery-man here&#8230;</p>
<p>I see the point Loren is trying to make here, with possibilities, but again, if there is no &#8220;weirdness&#8221; mentioned, it&#8217;s better not to start trying to look for it&#8230;but in such cases look at all the info to see if there are any indications of possible cryptid intervention.</p>
<p>Concerning giant birds, however, I could see how something that size would probably take an interest in a single engine plane, and possibly follow it or interfere with it out of curiosity&#8230;or even possibly seeing it as a threat to its space/territory&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point I see nothing in this particular case to lead me to believe that this plane was brought down by anything other than a flock of birds. This is an occurrence that happens from time to time, and unless there is evidence to the contrary, that seems like a solid explanation. To mere, there isn't any reason to jump to an unknown here.

The reports of collisions with giant birds are very interesting, but I wonder if in some cases, the sighting of these could have been caused by flocks of birds as well. It seems to me that under certain circumstances, a tightly packed flock of birds could appear to be a single, larger animal. Granted, pilots are possibly used to seeing bird flocks, but I'm not sure the possibility can be entirely ruled out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point I see nothing in this particular case to lead me to believe that this plane was brought down by anything other than a flock of birds. This is an occurrence that happens from time to time, and unless there is evidence to the contrary, that seems like a solid explanation. To mere, there isn&#8217;t any reason to jump to an unknown here.</p>
<p>The reports of collisions with giant birds are very interesting, but I wonder if in some cases, the sighting of these could have been caused by flocks of birds as well. It seems to me that under certain circumstances, a tightly packed flock of birds could appear to be a single, larger animal. Granted, pilots are possibly used to seeing bird flocks, but I&#8217;m not sure the possibility can be entirely ruled out.</p>
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		<title>By: Robotik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robotik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't there a Mothman sighting mention in Mothman Prophecy when Mothman chased a plane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn&#8217;t there a Mothman sighting mention in Mothman Prophecy when Mothman chased a plane?</p>
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