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		<title>By: Mnynames</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/fw-code/comment-page-1/#comment-36403</link>
		<dc:creator>Mnynames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can anyone investigating the matter of Carlos Allende NOT know about the reality of Carl Allen?  That&#039;s just downright sloppy research.

I have to admit, the Flatwoods case has always interested me, and by all accounts it is quite a compelling case, especially when seen in context.

The &quot;cyborg&quot; notion concerning the entity reminds me of how the Aztecs supposedly first viewed the Spaniards- as some sort of multi-headed, centaur-like being, owing to them riding horses, which the Aztecs had never seen.  Perhaps much of what was seen of the Flatwoods entity was simply clothing.  That&#039;s always been my interpretation of the so-called &quot;Ace-of&#039;Spades&quot; head.

Incidentally, Jerome Clark reports in his book &quot;Unexplained&quot; that the entity (Or something similar) was seen looking into a window in the early morning of November 22, 1973 in Joliette, Quebec.  Oddly, a very panicked dog was present for that encounter too.

I know you like to play the name game, Loren, so my eyes were immediately drawn to the last name of one of the witnesses- the 10-year-old Ronald Shaver.  Richard Shaver, of course, was the origin of the &quot;Shaver Mystery&quot; concerning a war between 2 subterranean civilizations- the Teros and the Deros (Detrimental Robots).  Wikipedia adds this-

&quot;Though generally confined to their caves, Shaver claimed that the Deros sometimes traveled by spaceships or rockets, and had dealings with equally evil extraterrestrial beings.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can anyone investigating the matter of Carlos Allende NOT know about the reality of Carl Allen?  That&#8217;s just downright sloppy research.</p>
<p>I have to admit, the Flatwoods case has always interested me, and by all accounts it is quite a compelling case, especially when seen in context.</p>
<p>The &#8220;cyborg&#8221; notion concerning the entity reminds me of how the Aztecs supposedly first viewed the Spaniards- as some sort of multi-headed, centaur-like being, owing to them riding horses, which the Aztecs had never seen.  Perhaps much of what was seen of the Flatwoods entity was simply clothing.  That&#8217;s always been my interpretation of the so-called &#8220;Ace-of&#8217;Spades&#8221; head.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Jerome Clark reports in his book &#8220;Unexplained&#8221; that the entity (Or something similar) was seen looking into a window in the early morning of November 22, 1973 in Joliette, Quebec.  Oddly, a very panicked dog was present for that encounter too.</p>
<p>I know you like to play the name game, Loren, so my eyes were immediately drawn to the last name of one of the witnesses- the 10-year-old Ronald Shaver.  Richard Shaver, of course, was the origin of the &#8220;Shaver Mystery&#8221; concerning a war between 2 subterranean civilizations- the Teros and the Deros (Detrimental Robots).  Wikipedia adds this-</p>
<p>&#8220;Though generally confined to their caves, Shaver claimed that the Deros sometimes traveled by spaceships or rockets, and had dealings with equally evil extraterrestrial beings.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: heretic5</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The commentors seem to be unaware that we are living in a computer simulation as mentioned at http://www.simulation-argument.com/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulism
Living in a simulation, we can expect that we might see anything at anytime. We can also expect that so-called &quot;eye witnesses&quot; might not have experienced identical versions of the simulation. An example of this situation was the Fatima vision. More than 50,000 people saw several versions of the simulation at that place. Thanking you for your attention to these ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The commentors seem to be unaware that we are living in a computer simulation as mentioned at <a href="http://www.simulation-argument.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.simulation-argument.com/</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulism</a><br />
Living in a simulation, we can expect that we might see anything at anytime. We can also expect that so-called &#8220;eye witnesses&#8221; might not have experienced identical versions of the simulation. An example of this situation was the Fatima vision. More than 50,000 people saw several versions of the simulation at that place. Thanking you for your attention to these ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Lehmberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lehmberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK.  I get the feeling that this is a bunch of churlish academics looking at the Flatwoods problem like it is peculiar to a small town in West Virginia, having its beginning and its ending right there, lasting only one night -- additionally reiterating the discredited explanations of hoaxes, meteors, and backwoods bumpkins to explain 12 foot green monsters wearing skirts with fishbowls on their heads.

Not so, though, as you point out, when you take one night of recorded turmoil and place it in the context of years of serious involvement by government and military, months of recorded sightings everywhere over the US (in perhaps the biggest UFO flap ever), the &quot;shootdown&quot; order, and the unstinting testimony of the persons involved and recorded in the media of the day, et al.

Just canted academics counting self-important beads and prosecuting the usual hubris regarding things they are not really informed about?  I suspect so.

LC, as our fly on the wall, you are to be commended for pricking the nose-bubbles of these smirking academicians and returning them to reality.  I suspect they hate you for it.

That said, Frank Feschino, imo, has written the definitive book on the subject:

http://flatwoodsmonster.com/

The story is more credible than an unthinking West Virginia intelligentsia will allow in ther affected hubris, and the group is singularly unmindful that a true history of the Flatwoods Monster and &quot;Shoot Them Down&quot; is economically fortuitous, tourist-wise, for a West Virginia dying on the federal vine!

I&#039;m &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; saying they should promote crap for dollars, but promote &lt;em&gt;real history&lt;/em&gt; for same... forsaking their uninformed hubris,  institutional arrogance, and a further reason to discount a niggardly science... forsake the preceding to be intelligent, progressive and brave!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I get the feeling that this is a bunch of churlish academics looking at the Flatwoods problem like it is peculiar to a small town in West Virginia, having its beginning and its ending right there, lasting only one night &#8212; additionally reiterating the discredited explanations of hoaxes, meteors, and backwoods bumpkins to explain 12 foot green monsters wearing skirts with fishbowls on their heads.</p>
<p>Not so, though, as you point out, when you take one night of recorded turmoil and place it in the context of years of serious involvement by government and military, months of recorded sightings everywhere over the US (in perhaps the biggest UFO flap ever), the &#8220;shootdown&#8221; order, and the unstinting testimony of the persons involved and recorded in the media of the day, et al.</p>
<p>Just canted academics counting self-important beads and prosecuting the usual hubris regarding things they are not really informed about?  I suspect so.</p>
<p>LC, as our fly on the wall, you are to be commended for pricking the nose-bubbles of these smirking academicians and returning them to reality.  I suspect they hate you for it.</p>
<p>That said, Frank Feschino, imo, has written the definitive book on the subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://flatwoodsmonster.com/" rel="nofollow">http://flatwoodsmonster.com/</a></p>
<p>The story is more credible than an unthinking West Virginia intelligentsia will allow in ther affected hubris, and the group is singularly unmindful that a true history of the Flatwoods Monster and &#8220;Shoot Them Down&#8221; is economically fortuitous, tourist-wise, for a West Virginia dying on the federal vine!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m <strong>not</strong> saying they should promote crap for dollars, but promote <em>real history</em> for same&#8230; forsaking their uninformed hubris,  institutional arrogance, and a further reason to discount a niggardly science&#8230; forsake the preceding to be intelligent, progressive and brave!</p>
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		<title>By: Vespasian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vespasian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be interested in seeing another interview with the eye witnesses 50 years on.
Discovering what they saw, thought and think now.  How is their health...(the dog died)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested in seeing another interview with the eye witnesses 50 years on.<br />
Discovering what they saw, thought and think now.  How is their health&#8230;(the dog died)</p>
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		<title>By: Nachzehrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nachzehrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saint Vitus, one reason it might remind you of the Kelly goblins is the name &quot;Sutton&quot;. It&#039;s the town next to Flatwoods and the name of the family that was besieged one night by goblins, aliens, eagle owls or Oompah-Loompahs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saint Vitus, one reason it might remind you of the Kelly goblins is the name &#8220;Sutton&#8221;. It&#8217;s the town next to Flatwoods and the name of the family that was besieged one night by goblins, aliens, eagle owls or Oompah-Loompahs.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cryptidsrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, Loren! And everybody else as well!

I&#039;m a brand new whippersnapper. I&#039;m excited to be part of this community!

One question: I&#039;m not knowledgeable enough about the Flatwoods monster--(I know enough about it from Loren&#039;s books and Wikipedia, though)---

Has it ever been conjectured that the monster was one of Keel&#039;s interdimensional tricksters?

Or simply a &quot;metallic&quot; alien?

Seriously. Anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Loren! And everybody else as well!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a brand new whippersnapper. I&#8217;m excited to be part of this community!</p>
<p>One question: I&#8217;m not knowledgeable enough about the Flatwoods monster&#8211;(I know enough about it from Loren&#8217;s books and Wikipedia, though)&#8212;</p>
<p>Has it ever been conjectured that the monster was one of Keel&#8217;s interdimensional tricksters?</p>
<p>Or simply a &#8220;metallic&#8221; alien?</p>
<p>Seriously. Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The panel presented a scholarly and academic examination of the Gray Barker archives.  It wasn&#039;t about the reality or unreality of the materials, eyewitness accounts, or incidents.  It was a postmodernistic analysis of the codification that takes place, the venues and genres that pour out from the material, the art and processes, and the mixing of monsters and cyborgs.

There was no thought to proving a hoax or not, for that would be a literal, empirical reading of these events.  The scholars on this panel were not dealing in that realm, although they could not help but sometimes slip into that stance, because, after all, they are only human.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The panel presented a scholarly and academic examination of the Gray Barker archives.  It wasn&#8217;t about the reality or unreality of the materials, eyewitness accounts, or incidents.  It was a postmodernistic analysis of the codification that takes place, the venues and genres that pour out from the material, the art and processes, and the mixing of monsters and cyborgs.</p>
<p>There was no thought to proving a hoax or not, for that would be a literal, empirical reading of these events.  The scholars on this panel were not dealing in that realm, although they could not help but sometimes slip into that stance, because, after all, they are only human.</p>
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		<title>By: NightFlight</title>
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		<dc:creator>NightFlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious, Loren, did the panel seem to have an agenda or did it pursue some form of logic of &quot;getting to the bottom of the [alleged] story&quot;. In other words did they seem to have open minds or - it was a hoax because &quot;X&quot; said or wrote it was. Also, was anyone who witnessed the incident re-interviewed for this panel? My concerns are this: I have witnessed unusual events and when telling someone about it, the usual response was &quot;what were you drinking at the time?&quot;. Everytime, however, I was sober, but the ridicule seems to come first and then just disbelief. I wonder if just certain persons &quot;see&quot; unusual things and all the rest wouldn&#039;t believe what they saw and/or experienced if it bit them. The late 40&#039;s and all throughout the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s was rife with UFO and paranormal events possibly brought on by heightened cold war tensions and ground and air blasts of fission and fusion devices. Could this have been the impetus for experincers? I don&#039;t know. Is there data for a rise in paranormal events before, during and after nuclear testing? That would be very interesting to see.
Back to the panel, I hope you didn&#039;t feel like a fish out of water and I wish I could of been there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious, Loren, did the panel seem to have an agenda or did it pursue some form of logic of &#8220;getting to the bottom of the [alleged] story&#8221;. In other words did they seem to have open minds or &#8211; it was a hoax because &#8220;X&#8221; said or wrote it was. Also, was anyone who witnessed the incident re-interviewed for this panel? My concerns are this: I have witnessed unusual events and when telling someone about it, the usual response was &#8220;what were you drinking at the time?&#8221;. Everytime, however, I was sober, but the ridicule seems to come first and then just disbelief. I wonder if just certain persons &#8220;see&#8221; unusual things and all the rest wouldn&#8217;t believe what they saw and/or experienced if it bit them. The late 40&#8242;s and all throughout the 50&#8242;s and 60&#8242;s was rife with UFO and paranormal events possibly brought on by heightened cold war tensions and ground and air blasts of fission and fusion devices. Could this have been the impetus for experincers? I don&#8217;t know. Is there data for a rise in paranormal events before, during and after nuclear testing? That would be very interesting to see.<br />
Back to the panel, I hope you didn&#8217;t feel like a fish out of water and I wish I could of been there.</p>
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		<title>By: captiannemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>captiannemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grew up in the area and while in West Virginia last year I stayed at the Flatwoods Motel. The area has changed little from the 50&#039;s other than the interstate going past it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in the area and while in West Virginia last year I stayed at the Flatwoods Motel. The area has changed little from the 50&#8242;s other than the interstate going past it.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This really sounds like it was a fascinating conference!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really sounds like it was a fascinating conference!</p>
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