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		<title>By: thelittlestrhino</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30212</link>
		<dc:creator>thelittlestrhino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

This is Mike Cabarles, director of The Littlest Rhino. I love this footage from the camera trap!

We were going to try to do the same thing in 2003 but our budget ran out. I'm glad someone finally did it!

Still I'm happy that we got some great steadicam footage of the West Malaysian Sumatran Rhinos in their native habitat (in a sanctuary at Sungai Dusun) and the Borneo Sub species in captivity in Sepilok.

The rhinos in Sepilok, seemed to have finer features, smoother, darker skin but like the West Malaysian relatives, they still developed the hairy growth if they are without a mud wallow for long.

The programme, aired on National Geographic, but was never released for retail distribution.

You'll find a &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ehNR7jKyE" rel="nofollow"&gt; sample clip here.&lt;/a&gt;

At last, a DVD will be soon be available at &lt;a href="http://www.thelittlestrhino.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;www.thelittlestrhino.com&lt;/a&gt;, and you can see these animals up close, in the light of day!

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>This is Mike Cabarles, director of The Littlest Rhino. I love this footage from the camera trap!</p>
<p>We were going to try to do the same thing in 2003 but our budget ran out. I&#8217;m glad someone finally did it!</p>
<p>Still I&#8217;m happy that we got some great steadicam footage of the West Malaysian Sumatran Rhinos in their native habitat (in a sanctuary at Sungai Dusun) and the Borneo Sub species in captivity in Sepilok.</p>
<p>The rhinos in Sepilok, seemed to have finer features, smoother, darker skin but like the West Malaysian relatives, they still developed the hairy growth if they are without a mud wallow for long.</p>
<p>The programme, aired on National Geographic, but was never released for retail distribution.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ehNR7jKyE" rel="nofollow"> sample clip here.</a></p>
<p>At last, a DVD will be soon be available at <a href="http://www.thelittlestrhino.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelittlestrhino.com</a>, and you can see these animals up close, in the light of day!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: thelittlestrhino</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30211</link>
		<dc:creator>thelittlestrhino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

This is Mike Cabarles, director of The Littlest Rhino. I love this footage from the camera trap, we were going to do this in 2003 but our budget ran out. Still I'm pleased that we got some great footage of the Sumatran Rhinos and the Borneo Sub species in captivity in Sepilok.

The rhinos in Sepilok, seemed to have finer features, smoother, darker skin but like the West Malaysian relatives, they still developed the hairy growth if they are without a mud wallow for long.

The programme, filmed in a Sanctuary at Sungai Dusun, aired on National Geographic, but was never released for retail distribution.

You'll find a sample clip here on youtube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t2ehNR7jKyE

At last, a DVD will be soon be available at http://www.thelittlestrhino.com and you can see these animals up close, in the light of day!

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>This is Mike Cabarles, director of The Littlest Rhino. I love this footage from the camera trap, we were going to do this in 2003 but our budget ran out. Still I&#8217;m pleased that we got some great footage of the Sumatran Rhinos and the Borneo Sub species in captivity in Sepilok.</p>
<p>The rhinos in Sepilok, seemed to have finer features, smoother, darker skin but like the West Malaysian relatives, they still developed the hairy growth if they are without a mud wallow for long.</p>
<p>The programme, filmed in a Sanctuary at Sungai Dusun, aired on National Geographic, but was never released for retail distribution.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find a sample clip here on youtube:</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=t2ehNR7jKyE" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=t2ehNR7jKyE</a></p>
<p>At last, a DVD will be soon be available at <a href="http://www.thelittlestrhino.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelittlestrhino.com</a> and you can see these animals up close, in the light of day!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Michaels</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30210</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 02:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Sumatran Rhinos brought into captivity since 1987 have died without breeding. The exception is the Cincinnati zoo a female named emi has given birth to calves in 2001, 2004 and 2007. Other zoos have to follow their methods to provide a safety net for the endangered Rhinos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Sumatran Rhinos brought into captivity since 1987 have died without breeding. The exception is the Cincinnati zoo a female named emi has given birth to calves in 2001, 2004 and 2007. Other zoos have to follow their methods to provide a safety net for the endangered Rhinos.</p>
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		<title>By: folcrom</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30209</link>
		<dc:creator>folcrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 00:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont want to be picky, but I did get a little confused with the Geography mention in the above piece.  So I thought I'd post this to clear up any misconceptions about Borneo's geographics.

Borneo is a large Island situated in South East Asia, surrounded by the South China Sea, the Sulu Sea,the Celebes Sea, Makassar Strait, Karimata Strait and Java Sea.

Three countries have territories on the Island.
In the north is the Malaysian State of Sabah.
In the north-west is the Malaysian State of Sarawak.
Between the two is the country of Brunei.
In the south is the large Indonesian province of Kalimantan.

The Malaysian mainland in to the west, the Philippines is to the north-east and the Indonesian Islands of Sumatra to the south-west, Java to the south, with other Indonesian islands and provinces to the east and south-east.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont want to be picky, but I did get a little confused with the Geography mention in the above piece.  So I thought I&#8217;d post this to clear up any misconceptions about Borneo&#8217;s geographics.</p>
<p>Borneo is a large Island situated in South East Asia, surrounded by the South China Sea, the Sulu Sea,the Celebes Sea, Makassar Strait, Karimata Strait and Java Sea.</p>
<p>Three countries have territories on the Island.<br />
In the north is the Malaysian State of Sabah.<br />
In the north-west is the Malaysian State of Sarawak.<br />
Between the two is the country of Brunei.<br />
In the south is the large Indonesian province of Kalimantan.</p>
<p>The Malaysian mainland in to the west, the Philippines is to the north-east and the Indonesian Islands of Sumatra to the south-west, Java to the south, with other Indonesian islands and provinces to the east and south-east.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: daledrinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30208</link>
		<dc:creator>daledrinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By The Way, guys, I made parallel remarks about the unexpected finding of rhinos and why Sasquatch remains hidden so long going on twenty years ago to the SITU, when a population of Javan rhinos turned up in Laos, I believe. The arguments still hold, and it is a little disheartening to realize how little actual progress has been made in the interrim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By The Way, guys, I made parallel remarks about the unexpected finding of rhinos and why Sasquatch remains hidden so long going on twenty years ago to the SITU, when a population of Javan rhinos turned up in Laos, I believe. The arguments still hold, and it is a little disheartening to realize how little actual progress has been made in the interrim.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranatemporaria</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30207</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranatemporaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree, that what constitutes undoubtable/empirical evidence often depends on if, and, who wants to prove something.  I was taught by well respected biologists and ecologist during my MSc that most things can be proved and (or) disproved, statistically and scientifically just as long as you really want to and you know how to. There is also no issue here with questionable integrity, no one has any reason to doubt the rhino as mystery man points out if that was a clear uninterrupted perfect BF video, the cries of fake would be heard as people would think it was to good to be real!

Anyway sorry for going slightly off topic Kudos to Dicerorhinus, for surviving the adversity and working it for the camera and the worlds press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree, that what constitutes undoubtable/empirical evidence often depends on if, and, who wants to prove something.  I was taught by well respected biologists and ecologist during my MSc that most things can be proved and (or) disproved, statistically and scientifically just as long as you really want to and you know how to. There is also no issue here with questionable integrity, no one has any reason to doubt the rhino as mystery man points out if that was a clear uninterrupted perfect BF video, the cries of fake would be heard as people would think it was to good to be real!</p>
<p>Anyway sorry for going slightly off topic Kudos to Dicerorhinus, for surviving the adversity and working it for the camera and the worlds press.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 17:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to invite the Big Guy into this discussion, but looking at this video a thought occured to me. When Bigfoot is supposedly photographed or filmed (a la the PG footage), the basic resemblance to a humanoid form is very detrimental to its chances of being taken seriously. Since even footage that is as clear as the PG footage is accused of being a "man in a suit", it makes me wonder what it will take for a sasquatch video to be taken more seriously. What is the benchmark people want? Since a rhino is not humanoid, it is harder to fake and therefore video representations of it can be accepted for what they are actually showing.

I swear when I look at this video, it almost looks staged. I know it isn't, but my point is that if you took this same footage and put in a sasquatch instead of a rhino, this footage would still be considered suspect. No matter how realistic the Bigfoot seemed, people would still be poring over it trying to figure out if it was faked or not. Yeah, even if it sniffed the camera people might be suspicious and trying to spot things that could be fake. I am sure people would point suspiciously to the way it creeps out of the woods to almost seemingly pose for the camera before walking off. On the other hand, this video could have been dramatically blurrier and shakier and it still would have been embraced as showing a rhino. If it exists, the fact that Bigfoot is bipedal and somewhat humanoid is going to present unique challenges for anyone trying to videotape them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to invite the Big Guy into this discussion, but looking at this video a thought occured to me. When Bigfoot is supposedly photographed or filmed (a la the PG footage), the basic resemblance to a humanoid form is very detrimental to its chances of being taken seriously. Since even footage that is as clear as the PG footage is accused of being a &#8220;man in a suit&#8221;, it makes me wonder what it will take for a sasquatch video to be taken more seriously. What is the benchmark people want? Since a rhino is not humanoid, it is harder to fake and therefore video representations of it can be accepted for what they are actually showing.</p>
<p>I swear when I look at this video, it almost looks staged. I know it isn&#8217;t, but my point is that if you took this same footage and put in a sasquatch instead of a rhino, this footage would still be considered suspect. No matter how realistic the Bigfoot seemed, people would still be poring over it trying to figure out if it was faked or not. Yeah, even if it sniffed the camera people might be suspicious and trying to spot things that could be fake. I am sure people would point suspiciously to the way it creeps out of the woods to almost seemingly pose for the camera before walking off. On the other hand, this video could have been dramatically blurrier and shakier and it still would have been embraced as showing a rhino. If it exists, the fact that Bigfoot is bipedal and somewhat humanoid is going to present unique challenges for anyone trying to videotape them.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30205</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ranatemporaria:  if it weren't for devils advocates, there'd be too many slow news days on Cryptomundo.  ;-)

You also make interesting points, the one about the pop density on Sumatra (and I'm sure in significant areas of Borneo) being one.  Another might be that Sumatra's and Borneo's population tends to be poorer than is the case in North America...and don't we have a little problem with the rhino's horn being something of extreme value....?  In other words:  LOTS of people have good reasons to look for the rhino.

"Finding" is a relative term.  The rhino's long since been "found" by both the native population and scientists, the former being why it's in the mess it's in.  Now as to the sasquatch.  Many, many people have seen this little needle flitting around.  (Go ahead, mental image of something bigger than a gorilla "flitting."  Imagine a tutu.  Free of charge; thank me later.  :-D )  The problem is, the scientific mainstream seems not to take these data points seriously enough to even consider following them up.  There are some organizations (TBRC is one, and maybe the word "some" is an egregious overstatement) with very limited funding doing three and four day expeditions when they can, putting out a few camera traps with what money they can scrounge from their own pockets, and - not even knowing what a bigfoot travel route looks like, or whether a bigfoot will even use one twice - hoping one wants to have his pic taken.  (Rhino trails in rainforest:  a given.  And look how long it took to see them, and longer still to film one.)

LOTS of people see the sasquatch.  LOTS.  (You know that you can guesstimate several times, at least, the number of people who submit encounter reports.)  AND it's a teeny needle in mulitiple haystacks.  Both.  Because it's an invisible animal from science's point of view.  It's got way too much room to avoid the people who do search, at the times and places they do search.  It shows more than enough curiosity about people for TBRC researchers to have a lot of what sound like close encounters.  But they haven't had the technology (most of the time) nor the good luck (when they've had it) to bring it to bear for better evidence.

Numerically there may be more squatchers.  But they're covering vastly more territory, getting much less funding per person, and spending far less time on it than paid rhino biologists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranatemporaria:  if it weren&#8217;t for devils advocates, there&#8217;d be too many slow news days on Cryptomundo.  <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
You also make interesting points, the one about the pop density on Sumatra (and I&#8217;m sure in significant areas of Borneo) being one.  Another might be that Sumatra&#8217;s and Borneo&#8217;s population tends to be poorer than is the case in North America&#8230;and don&#8217;t we have a little problem with the rhino&#8217;s horn being something of extreme value&#8230;.?  In other words:  LOTS of people have good reasons to look for the rhino.</p>
<p>&#8220;Finding&#8221; is a relative term.  The rhino&#8217;s long since been &#8220;found&#8221; by both the native population and scientists, the former being why it&#8217;s in the mess it&#8217;s in.  Now as to the sasquatch.  Many, many people have seen this little needle flitting around.  (Go ahead, mental image of something bigger than a gorilla &#8220;flitting.&#8221;  Imagine a tutu.  Free of charge; thank me later.  <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> )  The problem is, the scientific mainstream seems not to take these data points seriously enough to even consider following them up.  There are some organizations (TBRC is one, and maybe the word &#8220;some&#8221; is an egregious overstatement) with very limited funding doing three and four day expeditions when they can, putting out a few camera traps with what money they can scrounge from their own pockets, and - not even knowing what a bigfoot travel route looks like, or whether a bigfoot will even use one twice - hoping one wants to have his pic taken.  (Rhino trails in rainforest:  a given.  And look how long it took to see them, and longer still to film one.)</p>
<p>LOTS of people see the sasquatch.  LOTS.  (You know that you can guesstimate several times, at least, the number of people who submit encounter reports.)  AND it&#8217;s a teeny needle in mulitiple haystacks.  Both.  Because it&#8217;s an invisible animal from science&#8217;s point of view.  It&#8217;s got way too much room to avoid the people who do search, at the times and places they do search.  It shows more than enough curiosity about people for TBRC researchers to have a lot of what sound like close encounters.  But they haven&#8217;t had the technology (most of the time) nor the good luck (when they&#8217;ve had it) to bring it to bear for better evidence.</p>
<p>Numerically there may be more squatchers.  But they&#8217;re covering vastly more territory, getting much less funding per person, and spending far less time on it than paid rhino biologists.</p>
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		<title>By: daledrinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/#comment-30204</link>
		<dc:creator>daledrinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been interested in the (hairy, two-horned) Sumatran rhino for some time and I am glad to see a lot of the new information. I had felt that it was related to the ice age Wooly rhino for some time.

Incidentally, the (one-horned, hairless, hippolike) Sumatran rhino was a "Known" animal to Ivan Sanderson in Living Mammals of the World while Eberhart calls it a cryptid in his Mysterious Creatures. It is also a "Known" species: Eberhart is evidently following information by Willy Ley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been interested in the (hairy, two-horned) Sumatran rhino for some time and I am glad to see a lot of the new information. I had felt that it was related to the ice age Wooly rhino for some time.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the (one-horned, hairless, hippolike) Sumatran rhino was a &#8220;Known&#8221; animal to Ivan Sanderson in Living Mammals of the World while Eberhart calls it a cryptid in his Mysterious Creatures. It is also a &#8220;Known&#8221; species: Eberhart is evidently following information by Willy Ley.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranatemporaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranatemporaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting points there DWA, one you missed is that the population density of Sumatra is nearly 10 times that of areas like in the pacific northwest, this, along with the decreased overall area do make it more difficult for things to hide.  However the terrain being dense tropical rainforest as seen on the film would be a hindrance.  Your points on evidence are a little confusing as you state that sasquatch has been witnessed by many people from all walks of life, again a valid point, but then go on to compare the chances of finding one to finding "a single needle, moving randomly among 50 stacks of hay when you aren’t looking." Either it’s that hard to find or it’s often seen, it can’t be both! Also, numerically I believe there are more people looking for sasquatch than the rhino.  Im aware of the problems of respectability within the scientific community but this shouldn’t stop people looking for, and finding empirical evidence.

Please don’t think I'm pooh-poohing Sasquatch, just trying to invoke discussion via comparison, playing devils advocate if you will, I think it worked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting points there DWA, one you missed is that the population density of Sumatra is nearly 10 times that of areas like in the pacific northwest, this, along with the decreased overall area do make it more difficult for things to hide.  However the terrain being dense tropical rainforest as seen on the film would be a hindrance.  Your points on evidence are a little confusing as you state that sasquatch has been witnessed by many people from all walks of life, again a valid point, but then go on to compare the chances of finding one to finding &#8220;a single needle, moving randomly among 50 stacks of hay when you aren’t looking.&#8221; Either it’s that hard to find or it’s often seen, it can’t be both! Also, numerically I believe there are more people looking for sasquatch than the rhino.  Im aware of the problems of respectability within the scientific community but this shouldn’t stop people looking for, and finding empirical evidence.</p>
<p>Please don’t think I&#8217;m pooh-poohing Sasquatch, just trying to invoke discussion via comparison, playing devils advocate if you will, I think it worked!</p>
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