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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2691</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 01:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexual dimorphism is the systematic difference in form between individuals of different sexes in the same species.  There is some debate that among fossil hominids, fossil hominoids, and fossil anthropoids, sexual dimorphism may not be clearcut.

Believe it or not, even sexual dimorphism in humans is the subject of controversy, especially related to mental ability and psychological gender.

&lt;em&gt;Homo sapiens&lt;/em&gt; has a low level of sexual dimorphism compared with many other species. Standard growth curves for male and female humans have an overlap that is slightly less than 1 standard deviation.

I guess we all will have to wait to see if anything comes of the Malaysian developments to know.

The prints found may have nothing to do with the Mawas reported by Chow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexual dimorphism is the systematic difference in form between individuals of different sexes in the same species.  There is some debate that among fossil hominids, fossil hominoids, and fossil anthropoids, sexual dimorphism may not be clearcut.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, even sexual dimorphism in humans is the subject of controversy, especially related to mental ability and psychological gender.</p>
<p><em>Homo sapiens</em> has a low level of sexual dimorphism compared with many other species. Standard growth curves for male and female humans have an overlap that is slightly less than 1 standard deviation.</p>
<p>I guess we all will have to wait to see if anything comes of the Malaysian developments to know.</p>
<p>The prints found may have nothing to do with the Mawas reported by Chow.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Strain</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2690</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Strain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 17:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, if this are the prints of a Homo Erectus, they should appear more human like, and they don't...

If bigfoot (or whatever this is) is a primate, why would sexual dimorphism be a surprise?  All primates exhibit sexual dimorphism, including us.  You can tell our gender when we are naked as well, so hypothesizing that Homo Erectus would share that same characteristic (since it is in the Homo line) wouldn't surprise me either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, if this are the prints of a Homo Erectus, they should appear more human like, and they don&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>If bigfoot (or whatever this is) is a primate, why would sexual dimorphism be a surprise?  All primates exhibit sexual dimorphism, including us.  You can tell our gender when we are naked as well, so hypothesizing that Homo Erectus would share that same characteristic (since it is in the Homo line) wouldn&#8217;t surprise me either.</p>
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		<title>By: ZenBug</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2689</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenBug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 16:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Chymo.

It's dangerous enough to put one's faith in a photo, but in an &lt;i&gt;alleged&lt;/i&gt; photo...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Chymo.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s dangerous enough to put one&#8217;s faith in a photo, but in an <i>alleged</i> photo&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Chymo</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>Chymo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 11:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who considers themselves a serious crypto researcher &#38; who values their credibility would do well not to sound too excited over this. This will be a debunkers dream.

There was a show on TV recently by a couple of famous Vegas magicians, I dunno if anyone recalls... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who considers themselves a serious crypto researcher &amp; who values their credibility would do well not to sound too excited over this. This will be a debunkers dream.</p>
<p>There was a show on TV recently by a couple of famous Vegas magicians, I dunno if anyone recalls&#8230; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ajeyya</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajeyya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 00:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am reading all these, all the way from Malaysia here.  The quote of Bennymac about Charles is totally correct: nobody likes truth anymore.

Since the story of the Bigfoot surfaced in my country, interviews of several aborigine eye-witnesses ranged from the mythical creature called "Sejarang Gigi" with fangs and fiercely able to harm a human being, leaving only traces of their activities but never any photographic evidence; and then right down to descriptions of a possible Malaysian sunbear, while local forestry scientist trekking all over the forest for the past 20 years had no recollection of ever recording anything remotely related to the possibility of a Bigfoot creature.

Vincent Chow saw a monkey/human like creature when he was young, and memories tend to fail, mixed with all kinds of input from the media (remember we had King Kong, Planet of the Apes...).  Mr Coleman is right in reminding us all to be cautious about this, because to be totally honest, big (huge, enormous) footprints can be found easily in the plantations where wild boars trample around, easily creating overlapping footprints.  Lessons from optical illusion taught us that if we want to see something, even a vague resemblance could signify that there really is the thing that we are looking for.  Not surprising then, that so many overlap footprints may conjure as the image of a huge footprint in our minds, interpreting it as a possible Bigfoot footprint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am reading all these, all the way from Malaysia here.  The quote of Bennymac about Charles is totally correct: nobody likes truth anymore.</p>
<p>Since the story of the Bigfoot surfaced in my country, interviews of several aborigine eye-witnesses ranged from the mythical creature called &#8220;Sejarang Gigi&#8221; with fangs and fiercely able to harm a human being, leaving only traces of their activities but never any photographic evidence; and then right down to descriptions of a possible Malaysian sunbear, while local forestry scientist trekking all over the forest for the past 20 years had no recollection of ever recording anything remotely related to the possibility of a Bigfoot creature.</p>
<p>Vincent Chow saw a monkey/human like creature when he was young, and memories tend to fail, mixed with all kinds of input from the media (remember we had King Kong, Planet of the Apes&#8230;).  Mr Coleman is right in reminding us all to be cautious about this, because to be totally honest, big (huge, enormous) footprints can be found easily in the plantations where wild boars trample around, easily creating overlapping footprints.  Lessons from optical illusion taught us that if we want to see something, even a vague resemblance could signify that there really is the thing that we are looking for.  Not surprising then, that so many overlap footprints may conjure as the image of a huge footprint in our minds, interpreting it as a possible Bigfoot footprint.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2687</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is strange just a few weeks ago there was a possibility of a bigfoot of sorts there and then "kapow!" we have pictures and folks studying them for a decade. I am naturally suspicious because of the claims made in the past, but maybe we have finally made it in our search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is strange just a few weeks ago there was a possibility of a bigfoot of sorts there and then &#8220;kapow!&#8221; we have pictures and folks studying them for a decade. I am naturally suspicious because of the claims made in the past, but maybe we have finally made it in our search.</p>
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		<title>By: Bennymac</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2686</link>
		<dc:creator>Bennymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 19:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

This Vincent is a great confusion of a guy.

He constantly mixes thing up. And when reporters quoted what he says, things can go horribly wrong.

The mawas he was talking about refers to the colony of Bigfoot founded by this previously unknown Johor Wildlife Protection Society.

He mentioned that he knew the person who took the photos. but it is clear that those photos he mentioned refers to the mawas that was spotted by a logger in Lenggor Forest. The Society later tried to get it named as Orang Lenggor.

The links to those mawas are &lt;a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/my_bf_colony.pdf"&gt;here and &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.api.sg//research/MYbigfoot/bf_colony_moving.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Vincent also informed that the DNA test from 2 strand of hair proved to be human. It was mentioned in such a way as if to indicate that the strand of hair was found at the location where the mawas was photographed.

But it was actually found at Panti areas, where Kampung Lukut was situated, a agricultural farmland. That those hairs proved to be human is no surprise.

The story of those hairs is &lt;a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/still-in-doubt.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

I have been emphasising a fair bit that Kampung Lukut is not the place where maswas or bigfoot was found.

When the news break out in Dec 2005, Vincent called it King kong before reverting to the more popular Bigfoot. In fact, I conducted interviews around Johor and only people in Kota Tinggi describe the mawas as king kong-like.

Historically, Mawas, or orangutan was seen in Mawai, whose rivers run into Sedili forest (that connects lenggor forest).

Interesting, Lenggor is the place where also this wildlife society says their mawas was seen, and where also our Orang Asli Interviewees, especially, Amir Ali, said he saw his mawas.

One of his description, included a bigger-than average ear feature. This is recorded in my Bigfoot article under Amir's interview, and is a fact not mentioned elsewhere before. But this desciption was picked up by Vincent as well.

During the interview, the reporters asked him about the Sultan's family pointed that the mawas could be the orangutans released 40 years ago. This news of the Sultan appeared not in the Malaysia press, but in Singapore chinese papers. It was discovered by me and translated into english, and remains the only source anywhere where this news in english could be found.

Thus I can say that though no one mentioned it, THEY ARE getting pointers from my article.

As for Pter Loh, he is a SPI member, 1 organisation who is helping Vincent Chow launch his book. This fact is of course not disclosed as he tried to write his commentary as 'an outsider' impressed with Mr Vincent.

There is a great mix up of stories arising from malaysia, and anyone not in the know, can be misled easily.

The original story of the Bigfoot Family never existed. The Fish farm workers who saw the family never existed. Vincent mixes everything up by describing accounts of past years encounters and reciting them as if they were happening.

You can read all these &lt;a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/BF.htm#s8"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

I remain the only person who is in full knowledge of the facts concerning this Malaysian Bigfoot, but alas, nonbody likes truth anymore.

But you can contact me any time for any questions.

regards

Charles
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Hello,

I'm curious to know your thoughts on the recent announcement by Mr Vincent Chow that he has pictures of the Mawas.  I recently read an article on Cryptomundo.com that had a post from a Mr Peter Loh claiming Mr Chow has proof of their existence.

Regards,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>This Vincent is a great confusion of a guy.</p>
<p>He constantly mixes thing up. And when reporters quoted what he says, things can go horribly wrong.</p>
<p>The mawas he was talking about refers to the colony of Bigfoot founded by this previously unknown Johor Wildlife Protection Society.</p>
<p>He mentioned that he knew the person who took the photos. but it is clear that those photos he mentioned refers to the mawas that was spotted by a logger in Lenggor Forest. The Society later tried to get it named as Orang Lenggor.</p>
<p>The links to those mawas are <a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/my_bf_colony.pdf">here and </a><a href="http://www.api.sg//research/MYbigfoot/bf_colony_moving.pdf">here</a>.</p>
<p>Vincent also informed that the DNA test from 2 strand of hair proved to be human. It was mentioned in such a way as if to indicate that the strand of hair was found at the location where the mawas was photographed.</p>
<p>But it was actually found at Panti areas, where Kampung Lukut was situated, a agricultural farmland. That those hairs proved to be human is no surprise.</p>
<p>The story of those hairs is <a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/still-in-doubt.pdf">here</a>.</p>
<p>I have been emphasising a fair bit that Kampung Lukut is not the place where maswas or bigfoot was found.</p>
<p>When the news break out in Dec 2005, Vincent called it King kong before reverting to the more popular Bigfoot. In fact, I conducted interviews around Johor and only people in Kota Tinggi describe the mawas as king kong-like.</p>
<p>Historically, Mawas, or orangutan was seen in Mawai, whose rivers run into Sedili forest (that connects lenggor forest).</p>
<p>Interesting, Lenggor is the place where also this wildlife society says their mawas was seen, and where also our Orang Asli Interviewees, especially, Amir Ali, said he saw his mawas.</p>
<p>One of his description, included a bigger-than average ear feature. This is recorded in my Bigfoot article under Amir&#8217;s interview, and is a fact not mentioned elsewhere before. But this desciption was picked up by Vincent as well.</p>
<p>During the interview, the reporters asked him about the Sultan&#8217;s family pointed that the mawas could be the orangutans released 40 years ago. This news of the Sultan appeared not in the Malaysia press, but in Singapore chinese papers. It was discovered by me and translated into english, and remains the only source anywhere where this news in english could be found.</p>
<p>Thus I can say that though no one mentioned it, THEY ARE getting pointers from my article.</p>
<p>As for Pter Loh, he is a SPI member, 1 organisation who is helping Vincent Chow launch his book. This fact is of course not disclosed as he tried to write his commentary as &#8216;an outsider&#8217; impressed with Mr Vincent.</p>
<p>There is a great mix up of stories arising from malaysia, and anyone not in the know, can be misled easily.</p>
<p>The original story of the Bigfoot Family never existed. The Fish farm workers who saw the family never existed. Vincent mixes everything up by describing accounts of past years encounters and reciting them as if they were happening.</p>
<p>You can read all these <a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/BF.htm#s8">here</a>.</p>
<p>I remain the only person who is in full knowledge of the facts concerning this Malaysian Bigfoot, but alas, nonbody likes truth anymore.</p>
<p>But you can contact me any time for any questions.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Charles<br />
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<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to know your thoughts on the recent announcement by Mr Vincent Chow that he has pictures of the Mawas.  I recently read an article on Cryptomundo.com that had a post from a Mr Peter Loh claiming Mr Chow has proof of their existence.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Bennymac</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2685</link>
		<dc:creator>Bennymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 16:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also reminds me of Eugene Dubois.  Here's a snipit from Archaeologyinfo.com that was interesting, it talks about homo erectus and the splitting off of these species; "The species was named by Eugène Dubois (it was originally designated as Pithecanthropus erectus) in 1894, after his 1891 find from Trinil, Java, in Indonesia (Trinil 2). Dubois was inspired by A. Wallace's conviction that the origins of modern humans might lie in Southeast Asia. Dubois enlisted as an army surgeon in the Royal Dutch East Indies Army, and searched for fossils in Sumatra. He had little success in Sumatra, but found unearthed a thick mineralized hominid skull near the bank of the Solo River in Java. Dubois made his find public a few years later, and was met by derision from the dominant British paleontological hierarchy. Dubois was disillusioned, and this important find actually spent some time in a box underneath the floorboards of Dubois' home."

So, who knows what this guy has, all I know is I want to see it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also reminds me of Eugene Dubois.  Here&#8217;s a snipit from Archaeologyinfo.com that was interesting, it talks about homo erectus and the splitting off of these species; &#8220;The species was named by Eugène Dubois (it was originally designated as Pithecanthropus erectus) in 1894, after his 1891 find from Trinil, Java, in Indonesia (Trinil 2). Dubois was inspired by A. Wallace&#8217;s conviction that the origins of modern humans might lie in Southeast Asia. Dubois enlisted as an army surgeon in the Royal Dutch East Indies Army, and searched for fossils in Sumatra. He had little success in Sumatra, but found unearthed a thick mineralized hominid skull near the bank of the Solo River in Java. Dubois made his find public a few years later, and was met by derision from the dominant British paleontological hierarchy. Dubois was disillusioned, and this important find actually spent some time in a box underneath the floorboards of Dubois&#8217; home.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, who knows what this guy has, all I know is I want to see it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: apiraymond</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2683</link>
		<dc:creator>apiraymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 15:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pipdog:  Vincent found 2 strands of  hair embedded in dry clay in the jungles of Panti. The fact that DNA testing turns out to be human is no surprise (Personally I think the hairs come from the workers there rather than Homo Erectus whose DNA I suspect, differs from Human DNA) Also at that time was the announcement from the Johor Wild Life Protection Society who called for a press conference to say that one of their members, who has been living in the jungle for the past six years, has seen a group of Bigfoot and knows where they live.

But when pressed for more details, society secretary Tay Teng Hwa claimed that the evidence, including images, were“locked away in a safe”.
This two news is published in &lt;a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/still-in-doubt.pdf"&gt;The Star&lt;/a&gt; on Feb 19.

As you know Malaysia is the only country without orang utan (mawas)surrounded by two countries that has orang utan. It is remotely possible for a new subspecies of orang utan to be discovered other than Pongo pygmaeus (Borneo) and Pongo abelii(Sumatra). (Gigantopithecus also belong to Pongo subfamily).

I found it significant that the description from the witness mention big ears like monkey.

Anyway, we await with eager anticipation: mawas, or orangutan, it is still a big discovery!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pipdog:  Vincent found 2 strands of  hair embedded in dry clay in the jungles of Panti. The fact that DNA testing turns out to be human is no surprise (Personally I think the hairs come from the workers there rather than Homo Erectus whose DNA I suspect, differs from Human DNA) Also at that time was the announcement from the Johor Wild Life Protection Society who called for a press conference to say that one of their members, who has been living in the jungle for the past six years, has seen a group of Bigfoot and knows where they live.</p>
<p>But when pressed for more details, society secretary Tay Teng Hwa claimed that the evidence, including images, were“locked away in a safe”.<br />
This two news is published in <a href="http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/still-in-doubt.pdf">The Star</a> on Feb 19.</p>
<p>As you know Malaysia is the only country without orang utan (mawas)surrounded by two countries that has orang utan. It is remotely possible for a new subspecies of orang utan to be discovered other than Pongo pygmaeus (Borneo) and Pongo abelii(Sumatra). (Gigantopithecus also belong to Pongo subfamily).</p>
<p>I found it significant that the description from the witness mention big ears like monkey.</p>
<p>Anyway, we await with eager anticipation: mawas, or orangutan, it is still a big discovery!</p>
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		<title>By: ZenBug</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/erdimorph/#comment-2682</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenBug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 13:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...An old hermit who has collected data on these creatures for years, but is the only person who has any such data...

...Reminds me of &lt;a href="http://www.billymeier.com/billy_meier.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Billy Meier&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;An old hermit who has collected data on these creatures for years, but is the only person who has any such data&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Reminds me of <a href="http://www.billymeier.com/billy_meier.htm" rel="nofollow">Billy Meier</a>.</p>
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