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	<title>Comments on: Emela-Ntouka:  Africa&#8217;s Killer of Elephants</title>
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		<title>By: Brindle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brindle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I remember correctly that Heuvelmans mentioned a creature in Madagascar that looked like a hippo with big floppy ears?

I do not believe a horn was mentioned, but still, it seems coincidental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I remember correctly that Heuvelmans mentioned a creature in Madagascar that looked like a hippo with big floppy ears?</p>
<p>I do not believe a horn was mentioned, but still, it seems coincidental.</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>goldgrif is probably right, the "ears" do appear to actually be a vestigial frill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goldgrif is probably right, the &#8220;ears&#8221; do appear to actually be a vestigial frill.</p>
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		<title>By: goldgrif</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldgrif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one thing I notice, has anyone thought about evolution being a factor in  it's appearance?
If certopsian, and evolved over 65 million years, it's frill may have become vestigial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing I notice, has anyone thought about evolution being a factor in  it&#8217;s appearance?<br />
If certopsian, and evolved over 65 million years, it&#8217;s frill may have become vestigial.</p>
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		<title>By: U.T. Raptor</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/emela-ntouka/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>U.T. Raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sculpture appears to be a mix of multiple creatures (mostly elephant, with some rhino and possibly crocodile)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sculpture appears to be a mix of multiple creatures (mostly elephant, with some rhino and possibly crocodile)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/emela-ntouka/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If those ears were a frill, they would be even larger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If those ears were a frill, they would be even larger.</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/emela-ntouka/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A) The Ngouba may be Arsinotheirium or a close relative, which had 4 horns, the two largest of which were on the snout, and two small ones were on the forehead.
B) The savannah Emela-Ntouka is clearly a ceratopid.
C) The Emela-Ntouka is probably a species of elephant, because, as prehistory shows, trunks aren't a necessary feature, and tusks can come out anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A) The Ngouba may be Arsinotheirium or a close relative, which had 4 horns, the two largest of which were on the snout, and two small ones were on the forehead.<br />
B) The savannah Emela-Ntouka is clearly a ceratopid.<br />
C) The Emela-Ntouka is probably a species of elephant, because, as prehistory shows, trunks aren&#8217;t a necessary feature, and tusks can come out anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/emela-ntouka/#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people have a mental image of a rhinoceros as a dryland mammal because of the African savannah variety.  But in general, there is much association between rhinos, water, and rivers.  In Africa, the range of rhinos is determined, usually, by the waterways.  The Indian rhino wallows in lakes, rivers, and temporary pools.  The rhinos of Indonesia are too.  Indeed, in terms of the most "primitive," behaviorally and biologically, the Sumatran rhino, you have here a rhino in Asia while nothing like a hippo, it nevertheless is more clearly semi-aquatic in habitat and habits, than purely only dry land restricted.

As to artists' depictions of large vs small ears, ears vs frills, and so on, this is going to have to take some sorting out between eyewitness accounts, the sculpture artists, and cryptozoologists on site.

Good discussion here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people have a mental image of a rhinoceros as a dryland mammal because of the African savannah variety.  But in general, there is much association between rhinos, water, and rivers.  In Africa, the range of rhinos is determined, usually, by the waterways.  The Indian rhino wallows in lakes, rivers, and temporary pools.  The rhinos of Indonesia are too.  Indeed, in terms of the most &#8220;primitive,&#8221; behaviorally and biologically, the Sumatran rhino, you have here a rhino in Asia while nothing like a hippo, it nevertheless is more clearly semi-aquatic in habitat and habits, than purely only dry land restricted.</p>
<p>As to artists&#8217; depictions of large vs small ears, ears vs frills, and so on, this is going to have to take some sorting out between eyewitness accounts, the sculpture artists, and cryptozoologists on site.</p>
<p>Good discussion here.</p>
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		<title>By: Gurpreet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that the sculptor's depiction of ears could in actuality be the creature's neck frill? Large, flaplike ears would probably be more of a hindrance to an aquatic or semi-aquatic animal. Hippos, e.g., have small ones.
    As to the aquatic-rhino hypothesis, is there any documented behavioral correlate in known rhino species? I have never seen pictures or videos of rhinos that are bathing or swimming in large bodies of water, rivers, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that the sculptor&#8217;s depiction of ears could in actuality be the creature&#8217;s neck frill? Large, flaplike ears would probably be more of a hindrance to an aquatic or semi-aquatic animal. Hippos, e.g., have small ones.<br />
    As to the aquatic-rhino hypothesis, is there any documented behavioral correlate in known rhino species? I have never seen pictures or videos of rhinos that are bathing or swimming in large bodies of water, rivers, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: wjgibbons</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am intriqued by the carving of the alleged elephant killer. here is &lt;a href="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=46991"&gt;another picture&lt;/a&gt;, of the same animal and possibly of the same carving?

I discussed this only three weeks ago with Roy Mackal, who still believes that the heavy tail may have been a confusion with the Mokele-mbembe proper. Depending on the tribal group, Mokele-mbembe is sometimes used as a generic term for any strange or odd animal they may occasional encounter.

In any case, I have always felt that dealing directly with first-hand eye witness accounts is by far the best approach. Thus far I have interviewed about ten eye-witnesses in Cameroon and another dozen in the Congo who are familiar with these animals. Going on the information received, there appears to be two different types of animal involved.

A) The river dwelling creature is described in the Congo as possessing one large ivory horn and is known by the Lingala name as Emela-Ntouka or "killer of elephants."

B) The same river dwelling hippos/elephant killer in Cameroon is known in the Baka language as N'goubou or "horned one" and is often said to possess two horns side-by-side near the top of the head, rather than a single horn on its nose. The Baka chief, Timbo and his hunters trapped and killed a river dwelling horned animal in 1995. They dug an elephant trap near the Boumba River  and were astonished to see a few days later that they had caught a river Ngoubou in the trap. They still decided to butcher and eat the animal just the same. Timbo speculates that the animal had exited the river and fell into its trap as it made its way through the forest on an elephant trail.

C). The savannah Ngoubou is often described as being as large as an elephant and possessing a distinctive neck frill with between three and six horns protruding from the head armor. In December 2000 just one month after Dave Woetzel and I departed from our first Cameroon expedition, Pierre Sima visited a village on the border with the Central African Republic and actually ate the meat of a savannah Ngoubou which, apparently, tasted like pork.

D) Roy Mackal and I are convinced that we are dealing with two different horned animals here. One is a river-dwelling elephant and hippo killer and the other is strictly a very large savannah animal which still has a dislike for elephants. Whether this is a surviving ceratosian dinosaur or an unusual armored rhino remains to be seen. I personally believe that the mystery animal is most probably the  latter.

Mokele-mbembe proper, of course, remains elusive, However, my three American colleages, Milt Marcy, Peter Beach and Rob Mullin are currently in the target area. Let's hope they have some exciting news for us when they emerge from the the interior of Cameroon at the end of the month!

Bill Gibbons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intriqued by the carving of the alleged elephant killer. here is <a href="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=46991">another picture</a>, of the same animal and possibly of the same carving?</p>
<p>I discussed this only three weeks ago with Roy Mackal, who still believes that the heavy tail may have been a confusion with the Mokele-mbembe proper. Depending on the tribal group, Mokele-mbembe is sometimes used as a generic term for any strange or odd animal they may occasional encounter.</p>
<p>In any case, I have always felt that dealing directly with first-hand eye witness accounts is by far the best approach. Thus far I have interviewed about ten eye-witnesses in Cameroon and another dozen in the Congo who are familiar with these animals. Going on the information received, there appears to be two different types of animal involved.</p>
<p>A) The river dwelling creature is described in the Congo as possessing one large ivory horn and is known by the Lingala name as Emela-Ntouka or &#8220;killer of elephants.&#8221;</p>
<p>B) The same river dwelling hippos/elephant killer in Cameroon is known in the Baka language as N&#8217;goubou or &#8220;horned one&#8221; and is often said to possess two horns side-by-side near the top of the head, rather than a single horn on its nose. The Baka chief, Timbo and his hunters trapped and killed a river dwelling horned animal in 1995. They dug an elephant trap near the Boumba River  and were astonished to see a few days later that they had caught a river Ngoubou in the trap. They still decided to butcher and eat the animal just the same. Timbo speculates that the animal had exited the river and fell into its trap as it made its way through the forest on an elephant trail.</p>
<p>C). The savannah Ngoubou is often described as being as large as an elephant and possessing a distinctive neck frill with between three and six horns protruding from the head armor. In December 2000 just one month after Dave Woetzel and I departed from our first Cameroon expedition, Pierre Sima visited a village on the border with the Central African Republic and actually ate the meat of a savannah Ngoubou which, apparently, tasted like pork.</p>
<p>D) Roy Mackal and I are convinced that we are dealing with two different horned animals here. One is a river-dwelling elephant and hippo killer and the other is strictly a very large savannah animal which still has a dislike for elephants. Whether this is a surviving ceratosian dinosaur or an unusual armored rhino remains to be seen. I personally believe that the mystery animal is most probably the  latter.</p>
<p>Mokele-mbembe proper, of course, remains elusive, However, my three American colleages, Milt Marcy, Peter Beach and Rob Mullin are currently in the target area. Let&#8217;s hope they have some exciting news for us when they emerge from the the interior of Cameroon at the end of the month!</p>
<p>Bill Gibbons</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only males had the frill, there would be fossils without them, now wouldn't there be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only males had the frill, there would be fossils without them, now wouldn&#8217;t there be?</p>
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