Comments on: Ely Footage Removed

By: Mnynames

Mnynames — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:04:48 +0000

Thank you. His words made an impression, obviously. Felt bad not being able to give proper credit…

By: Loren Coleman

Loren Coleman — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:53:09 +0000

“Mnynames” - FYI - That quotation is from the late Richard Greenwell of the defunct International Society of Cryptozoology, who somewhat flippantly responded with that comment in at least a couple documentaries (mid-1990s) in which I have seen him appear.

It was a statement he had formatted thoughtfully, to such an extent, that the media quoted him in July 2000 when they asked his reaction to the Hoh Reservation Bigfoot tracks.

“On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, I absolutely believe in Bigfoot, after I evaluate all the data and read all the information,” Greenwell said. “On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, I think it’s all nonsense. On Sundays, I rest.”

By: Mnynames

Mnynames — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:25:15 +0000

For all things Fortean, I tend to follow the philosophy of a Bigfoot hunter that I once saw on a documentary (Sad to say I can’t recall what the program was or who he was, might even be one of our esteemed hosts here). If I might paraphrase what he said, the gist of it went something like this- On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays I believe, on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays I doubt, and on Sundays I take the day off. The only difference for me would be that on Sundays I don’t take off, I just plum don’t know. Seems to me a good philosophy to have, especially if you’re an investigator into strange or otherwise unaccepted phenomena.
If I might wander into fiction for a moment, Fox Mulder’s mantra of “I want to believe” is relevant to me as well (And probably a lot of people), but my addition to that statement would be that it is precisely because I want to believe that I must question it. Sadly, there are some with our interests who never stop to think about it like that, but really, it’s all in our best interests. Nobody wants to be played for the fool. If you take the time to doublecheck your own motivations, in addition to those of others, you are far less likely to be placed in such a situation, and I might add that sometimes people can end up playing themselves for fools through no fault of anybody else, which is all the more reason for such vigilance. As I seem to have strayed even further into philosophical debate, perhaps I should end it here before I become too rambling and off-track. Of course, it’s usually off the beaten track that the most interesting things lie, Cryptids certainly not being the least of them.

By: youcantryreachingme

youcantryreachingme — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:04:10 +0000

Shawshank (8) - spot on! This has been a thoroughly fascinating opportunity to watch belief and speculation in progress. I’ve seen the same thing in a missing persons context.

Mnynames (20) - I love your theorising about establishing valid evidence. It’s bordering on religious debate! And ultimately, all such discussions resolve to faith in a particular viewpoint based upon (interpretation of) evidence…

See also my comment (6) above about evidence for extinct animals - I had the thylacine in the back of my mind - you raise the exact points about belief in the evidence to which I was alluding.

Chris.

By: abominableskeptic

abominableskeptic — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:01:06 +0000

It appears that this guy has gone to more great lengths posting, reposting, and enhancing than he did hoaxing the original footage. “the world is not ready”???? Yeah right. And my awesome powers are far, far beyond the understanding of mortal men… How many times do you let a kid “take his ball and go home, nyah, nyah”?

By: kssasquatch

kssasquatch — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:01:09 +0000

I watched the Benz film click by click and noticed the figure turns & looks at the Benz. Did not see a human face covered with a hood. Just my opinion… but it takes very long strides, which if the width of road was known, could be counted. What about the driver of Benz, was he interviewed, what did he see? Anybody?? Also noticed, figure was in black except for tips of fingers, looked lighter like maybe snow covered. This, I think has more possibilities than Ely video.

By: Larry

Larry — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:19:25 +0000

So just to clarify things…. where was this “forgotten” video? Did he stick up new footage at youtube.com or did someone else locate the forgotten footage?

By the way - Richard has restuck up the zoomed-in video again.

I find it interesting how Richard’s story has changed from what he initially told me.

Larry

By: Craig Woolheater

Craig Woolheater — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:54:47 +0000

For those that didn’t see it, don’t remember it or haven’t been able to find it, here it is in all of its glory…

Bigfoot and Benz … Mercedes that is.

By: Ole Bub

Ole Bub — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:47:24 +0000

Good evening Crypto’s….a few words of gratitude to those who invest the time, effort and treasure to make this blog possible…I moderate a message board or two and am well aware of the time investmet required….Thank you…

I salute the efforts of those at BFRO…and TBRC….their task is daunting, fraught with fraud…and mischief…for those who wish to criticize….show us your website…research, or videos….

Those who have seen…know….for those who believe…your faith is not misplaced….

Still curious what you folks thought of the Mercedes Benz Tahoe video posted here in October….

seeing is believing

ole bub

By: Mnynames

Mnynames — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:43:05 +0000

First off, I must agree that the discussions here have been much more calm and erudite than on many other websites I’ve encountered, part of the reason I decided to join in on them, I suppose. As to what sort of video footage would count as sound scientific evidence, I would think that clear, unobstructed, close-range footage of a cryptid behaving naturally for a significant length of time with no odd or disjointed jumps would go a long way. The chances of this happening would be slim, I admit, but it always amazes me how many dedicated, reliable observers always seem to be lacking their recording equipment at the crucial moment. Crypto field researchers, carry your cameras at all times! And while a “believer”, as someone put it, would probably be best qualified to know what to do when encountering such an experience, no doubt it would also be used against them by skeptics. I dare say an experienced skeptic would be the absolute best witness, someone who doesn’t beleive, but recognizes the importance of what he’s experiencing.

Now, all this talk of fakery brings up an interesting, and probably controversial point. It seems to me that if some researchers spent some time seeing for themselves how easy or difficult it might be to fake videos, they might be more inclined to be a tad more skeptical the next time one of these videos appears. Of course, the down side to that would be that debunkers could use it to claim that the researchers themselves are just fakers…it’s a double-edged sword. Personally, I’d love to try to produce a really high-quality, hard-to-dismiss fake video and see how many people would actually go for it, then reveal it for what it was…BUT…the problem with that, of course, would be the poor light it would cast upon myself, ethically, and whatever researchers were taken in, professionally. Not to mention the fact that once it’s out there, there will always be someone who believes it, even if you provide them with proof that it was indeed faked. Belief can be a powerful thing, as I think many in this discussion have come to learn. Personally, I don’t happen to know of any confirmed hoaxers who’ve actually admitted to doing it, but if some could be found, perhaps someone could publically investigate just how they went about doing it. I’d gladly watch that on TLC or whatever. That way, nobody’s feet would be trampled on (big or otherwise).