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		<title>By: CajunRG</title>
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		<dc:creator>CajunRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some articles that I have read recently about genetic studies of mountain lions have concluded that the  so called North American eastern subspecies and the Florida panther are not genetically different from the so called North American western subspecies of mountain lions. This could go a long way to explain the discrepancies in the DNA analysis of the bi cat that was killed in Connecticut.  I believe that what we&#039;re seeing is a resurgence of a remnant population of mountain lion in the eastern states due to an increase in the numbers of prey animals such as deer in these areas along with migration of these animals from Canada into their former ranges in the US.

As a side note, there was a report of at least one mountain lion spotted moving out of the vast Atchafalaya Basin in Louisiana when the area was flooded this past spring with water diverted from the Mississippi River. I can&#039;t verify the sighting since I can no longer find the article about this when I do a Google search. The Atchafalaya Basin in south central Louisiana and the swamp area along the Pearl River in southeast Louisiana, between New Orleans  and the Mississippi border, are probably the best areas and habitats in Louisiana where remnant populations of this big cat are likely to still exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some articles that I have read recently about genetic studies of mountain lions have concluded that the  so called North American eastern subspecies and the Florida panther are not genetically different from the so called North American western subspecies of mountain lions. This could go a long way to explain the discrepancies in the DNA analysis of the bi cat that was killed in Connecticut.  I believe that what we&#8217;re seeing is a resurgence of a remnant population of mountain lion in the eastern states due to an increase in the numbers of prey animals such as deer in these areas along with migration of these animals from Canada into their former ranges in the US.</p>
<p>As a side note, there was a report of at least one mountain lion spotted moving out of the vast Atchafalaya Basin in Louisiana when the area was flooded this past spring with water diverted from the Mississippi River. I can&#8217;t verify the sighting since I can no longer find the article about this when I do a Google search. The Atchafalaya Basin in south central Louisiana and the swamp area along the Pearl River in southeast Louisiana, between New Orleans  and the Mississippi border, are probably the best areas and habitats in Louisiana where remnant populations of this big cat are likely to still exist.</p>
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		<title>By: zigoapex</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ watn6789

  Thanks for the info, I&#039;m to contact them and see what I have to do.
The bison farm is off the lenox exit,a couple miles southwest of elk mountain ski resort.

 Just wanted to add about the hairs, there not deer or bear for sure.They are long
and thin like cat hair and I looked at them under a microscope and compared them to 
online photos of cougar under a microscope, they look similar but I don&#039;t know enough to
find the differences between the two.
 
 Just like add what happened , I had put up a green wire fence around my yard for my dogs.(my house is only about a 1/4 mile from where I had the 03&#039; sighting)
my yard  butts up to a mountian that has thousands of acres of scrub brush, thickets, and no homes or buildings.
 I came home and went to let the dogs out and saw the fence pushed down in a spot.
I went out in the yard and there was another spot pushed down in the same direction.
I started looking around and I found a couple of tracks and pieced together what happened. It went to run through the yard and couldn&#039;t see the fence against the green grass,you can see it was just running and it&#039;s belly landed on it and pushed it down like a u shape and the same where it exited the fence on the other side. I could see where
the front paws(print looked just like a cat print) landed in the yard.the fence was a little over 4 ft and the u shape was about half way down. 
 I stood back and you could see how it was moving,the stride was pretty far apart.
 When I inspected the fence closer that is when I found the hairs on it.
I had a bear knock it down on a couple years before,  it was so obvious it was a bear, the big tracks, and It looked like a drunk fell over it and swashed it to the ground, no grace involved what so ever.
 
 I hope someone soon proves that there is a population that inhabits the Appalachians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ watn6789</p>
<p>  Thanks for the info, I&#8217;m to contact them and see what I have to do.<br />
The bison farm is off the lenox exit,a couple miles southwest of elk mountain ski resort.</p>
<p> Just wanted to add about the hairs, there not deer or bear for sure.They are long<br />
and thin like cat hair and I looked at them under a microscope and compared them to<br />
online photos of cougar under a microscope, they look similar but I don&#8217;t know enough to<br />
find the differences between the two.</p>
<p> Just like add what happened , I had put up a green wire fence around my yard for my dogs.(my house is only about a 1/4 mile from where I had the 03&#8242; sighting)<br />
my yard  butts up to a mountian that has thousands of acres of scrub brush, thickets, and no homes or buildings.<br />
 I came home and went to let the dogs out and saw the fence pushed down in a spot.<br />
I went out in the yard and there was another spot pushed down in the same direction.<br />
I started looking around and I found a couple of tracks and pieced together what happened. It went to run through the yard and couldn&#8217;t see the fence against the green grass,you can see it was just running and it&#8217;s belly landed on it and pushed it down like a u shape and the same where it exited the fence on the other side. I could see where<br />
the front paws(print looked just like a cat print) landed in the yard.the fence was a little over 4 ft and the u shape was about half way down.<br />
 I stood back and you could see how it was moving,the stride was pretty far apart.<br />
 When I inspected the fence closer that is when I found the hairs on it.<br />
I had a bear knock it down on a couple years before,  it was so obvious it was a bear, the big tracks, and It looked like a drunk fell over it and swashed it to the ground, no grace involved what so ever.</p>
<p> I hope someone soon proves that there is a population that inhabits the Appalachians.</p>
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		<title>By: watn6789</title>
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		<dc:creator>watn6789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ zigoapex

The U.S. Department of Agriculture Lab in Missoula MT does the research.  They however will not accept a sample from just anyone and they require you to use an established contact of theirs.  They might be willing to provide a list of their approved partners and have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rmrs.nau.edu/wildlife/genetics/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website about this&lt;/a&gt;.

On a personal note, I have spent some time in Lenox and that is land is beautiful.  The bison farm (might not be Lenox yet close) is cool too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ zigoapex</p>
<p>The U.S. Department of Agriculture Lab in Missoula MT does the research.  They however will not accept a sample from just anyone and they require you to use an established contact of theirs.  They might be willing to provide a list of their approved partners and have a <a href="http://www.rmrs.nau.edu/wildlife/genetics/index.php" rel="nofollow">website about this</a>.</p>
<p>On a personal note, I have spent some time in Lenox and that is land is beautiful.  The bison farm (might not be Lenox yet close) is cool too.</p>
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		<title>By: zigoapex</title>
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		<dc:creator>zigoapex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a breeding population in the north east, I saw a young one the spots still on it in 03&#039; and in 85&#039; i seen one (adult) cross the road (rt.6)
 
I was talking to my doctor and he one 2 years ago on the same mountain range (about 20 miles north) he saw one crossing a road by a small field.

I have been running into a lot of local people that have been seeing them over the years.

In the early 80&#039;s there was place in lenox, pa right next to I81 (you could see them driving by) that bred and raised them and were selling them as pets. I&#039;m wondering if he had some escape or let some go when they made him close.

I have hairs that were stuck a wire fence that was knocked over that I would like to have them checked to see what they are, does anyone know where I could have this done with out costing a fortune?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a breeding population in the north east, I saw a young one the spots still on it in 03&#8242; and in 85&#8242; i seen one (adult) cross the road (rt.6)</p>
<p>I was talking to my doctor and he one 2 years ago on the same mountain range (about 20 miles north) he saw one crossing a road by a small field.</p>
<p>I have been running into a lot of local people that have been seeing them over the years.</p>
<p>In the early 80&#8242;s there was place in lenox, pa right next to I81 (you could see them driving by) that bred and raised them and were selling them as pets. I&#8217;m wondering if he had some escape or let some go when they made him close.</p>
<p>I have hairs that were stuck a wire fence that was knocked over that I would like to have them checked to see what they are, does anyone know where I could have this done with out costing a fortune?</p>
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		<title>By: Leibolmai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leibolmai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The unfortunate thing is that in CT if your nature center or wildlife program recieves state funding, you can not educate or elboarate on the possibility of a local cougar population (or insert any extinct creature here).   We can educate on what they use to be, and that they are extinct. They are considered extinct and that&#039;s the party line.  So the masses being naturally curious ask their local wildlife experts, and they get the party line.   When this story first broke the center we are affiliated went as far as suggesting that it was an escaped pet, without any direction from above or the state because to do otherwise they feared risking their funding.  The main reason the state doesn&#039;t want to recongize a local population is because then they would have to protect it, etc which costs more money (and CT is broke).  Plus, believe it or not CT is still very rural, with lots of farms etc.  So lots of folks wouldn&#039;t take kindly to &quot;population&quot; being protected with state funds.    

Its not so much a coverup or conspiracy as its not organized, its just mutal people/organizations not wanting to deal with the consequences and therfore taking the same steps not to pursue/study the possibility of existing populations.

Cheers,
Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unfortunate thing is that in CT if your nature center or wildlife program recieves state funding, you can not educate or elboarate on the possibility of a local cougar population (or insert any extinct creature here).   We can educate on what they use to be, and that they are extinct. They are considered extinct and that&#8217;s the party line.  So the masses being naturally curious ask their local wildlife experts, and they get the party line.   When this story first broke the center we are affiliated went as far as suggesting that it was an escaped pet, without any direction from above or the state because to do otherwise they feared risking their funding.  The main reason the state doesn&#8217;t want to recongize a local population is because then they would have to protect it, etc which costs more money (and CT is broke).  Plus, believe it or not CT is still very rural, with lots of farms etc.  So lots of folks wouldn&#8217;t take kindly to &#8220;population&#8221; being protected with state funds.    </p>
<p>Its not so much a coverup or conspiracy as its not organized, its just mutal people/organizations not wanting to deal with the consequences and therfore taking the same steps not to pursue/study the possibility of existing populations.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: mandors</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sad thing is that once the cover story is out there, &quot;the masses&quot; nod their heads and go back to sleep.
I simply don&#039;t understand the hostility of wildlife officials on this topic.  The reforestation of the Northeast has gone on for over 30 years.  When I was a kid my grandmother&#039;s town was all potato farms, cleared farmland as far as you could see.  The forest has taken back so much of it that in places it&#039;s pushing up against the roads. In my own town the incidence of coyotes, foxes and dear has skyrocketed over the last decade. That a cougar might possibly reappear does not seem that outlandish, and now we have a body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is that once the cover story is out there, &#8220;the masses&#8221; nod their heads and go back to sleep.<br />
I simply don&#8217;t understand the hostility of wildlife officials on this topic.  The reforestation of the Northeast has gone on for over 30 years.  When I was a kid my grandmother&#8217;s town was all potato farms, cleared farmland as far as you could see.  The forest has taken back so much of it that in places it&#8217;s pushing up against the roads. In my own town the incidence of coyotes, foxes and dear has skyrocketed over the last decade. That a cougar might possibly reappear does not seem that outlandish, and now we have a body.</p>
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		<title>By: arewethereyeti</title>
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		<dc:creator>arewethereyeti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ watn6789, thanks for providing the link. 

The article states that DNA from the Cougar in question was, in fact, an exact match for, &quot;older samples — hair and fecal matter,&quot; ALREADY IN the U.S. Forest Service’s Wildlife Genetics Laboratory database!  Said genetic signature was, &quot;first spotted in Champlin, MN, in Dec. &#039;09&quot; and &quot;...biologists tracked him as he zig-zagged through Wisconsin, leaving behind a trail of paw prints, hair and poop.&quot;

Clearly, the cat in question traveled from west to east.  If claims of mystery DNA are now being &quot;leaked,&quot; it seems the burden of proof is on those proposing a native-eastern lineage for the animal.

As I mentioned in my earlier comment, until/unless the alleged &quot;unknown DNA&quot; can definitively be shown to be of eastern N.A heritage, the evidence points to a western immigrant.  As such it would seem Occam&#039;s Razor would apply regarding the cat&#039;s origins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ watn6789, thanks for providing the link. </p>
<p>The article states that DNA from the Cougar in question was, in fact, an exact match for, &#8220;older samples — hair and fecal matter,&#8221; ALREADY IN the U.S. Forest Service’s Wildlife Genetics Laboratory database!  Said genetic signature was, &#8220;first spotted in Champlin, MN, in Dec. &#8217;09&#8243; and &#8220;&#8230;biologists tracked him as he zig-zagged through Wisconsin, leaving behind a trail of paw prints, hair and poop.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly, the cat in question traveled from west to east.  If claims of mystery DNA are now being &#8220;leaked,&#8221; it seems the burden of proof is on those proposing a native-eastern lineage for the animal.</p>
<p>As I mentioned in my earlier comment, until/unless the alleged &#8220;unknown DNA&#8221; can definitively be shown to be of eastern N.A heritage, the evidence points to a western immigrant.  As such it would seem Occam&#8217;s Razor would apply regarding the cat&#8217;s origins.</p>
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		<title>By: watn6789</title>
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		<dc:creator>watn6789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was looking into contacting the lab where they did the testing for various reasons and found this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/332992/title/A_cougar_in_Connecticut_&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; claiming that it wasn&#039;t so much a matter of percentage testing to Black Hills yet was more a matter of matching a specific animal that was out there.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking into contacting the lab where they did the testing for various reasons and found this <a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/332992/title/A_cougar_in_Connecticut_" rel="nofollow">article</a> claiming that it wasn&#8217;t so much a matter of percentage testing to Black Hills yet was more a matter of matching a specific animal that was out there.  </p>
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		<title>By: flame821</title>
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		<dc:creator>flame821</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really does this come as a surprise to anyone who read the original article?  

Cougars have lived in the Eastern States since before Columbus arrived and they will continue to live here.  Nature is resilient and even if you exterminate the native population, overflow from other populations (like Canada) will seep in to fill the vacuum, breeding with any remaining population.   Look at the large amount of deer, rabbits, squirrels and other prey animals that litter our roadsides, you don&#039;t think a large predator would notice this as well?  If our cars are passively finding these prey animals then I can promise you a predator actively hunting these animals would be well fed and the populations will quickly soar.   The fact that we are seeing so many reports of Cougars leads me to believe their numbers HAVE already risen and we are now seeing the ones who are being pushed to the outer edges of their normal hunting grounds.

To my mind there are really 2 viable explanations.   1] This is a native Eastern Cougar and they have always remained here.  or 2] This is an overflow from either Canada or Mid-West that has migrated to Eastern States and bred with remaining populations, which means with the stated DNA this animal would have to be the OFFSPRING of an original migratory animal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really does this come as a surprise to anyone who read the original article?  </p>
<p>Cougars have lived in the Eastern States since before Columbus arrived and they will continue to live here.  Nature is resilient and even if you exterminate the native population, overflow from other populations (like Canada) will seep in to fill the vacuum, breeding with any remaining population.   Look at the large amount of deer, rabbits, squirrels and other prey animals that litter our roadsides, you don&#8217;t think a large predator would notice this as well?  If our cars are passively finding these prey animals then I can promise you a predator actively hunting these animals would be well fed and the populations will quickly soar.   The fact that we are seeing so many reports of Cougars leads me to believe their numbers HAVE already risen and we are now seeing the ones who are being pushed to the outer edges of their normal hunting grounds.</p>
<p>To my mind there are really 2 viable explanations.   1] This is a native Eastern Cougar and they have always remained here.  or 2] This is an overflow from either Canada or Mid-West that has migrated to Eastern States and bred with remaining populations, which means with the stated DNA this animal would have to be the OFFSPRING of an original migratory animal.</p>
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		<title>By: arewethereyeti</title>
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		<dc:creator>arewethereyeti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loren:

Maybe I&#039;m just feeling a bit cranky today, but...  why couldn&#039;t the Connecticut cougar be merely &quot;an escaped pet from a mixed breeding captive background?&quot;

Until/unless researchers can identify the source of the other 1/3 of the cat&#039;s genetic heritage, it is impossible to state with any certainty that it is(was) indigenous to the northeast.

While the unknown portion of its DNA is intriguing - and its fun to speculate about &quot;home-grown&quot; scenarios - without a valid &quot;local&quot; specimen to compare it to, the CT DNR&#039;s supposed origin-theory-in-the-making is, unfortunately, as good as the other. :(

We can&#039;t accuse the other side of assuming too much if we&#039;re guilty of the same!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren:</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just feeling a bit cranky today, but&#8230;  why couldn&#8217;t the Connecticut cougar be merely &#8220;an escaped pet from a mixed breeding captive background?&#8221;</p>
<p>Until/unless researchers can identify the source of the other 1/3 of the cat&#8217;s genetic heritage, it is impossible to state with any certainty that it is(was) indigenous to the northeast.</p>
<p>While the unknown portion of its DNA is intriguing &#8211; and its fun to speculate about &#8220;home-grown&#8221; scenarios &#8211; without a valid &#8220;local&#8221; specimen to compare it to, the CT DNR&#8217;s supposed origin-theory-in-the-making is, unfortunately, as good as the other. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t accuse the other side of assuming too much if we&#8217;re guilty of the same!</p>
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