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	<title>Comments on: Desi Pondering: SF&#8217;s Tiger Event</title>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/desi-tiger/comment-page-1/#comment-38679</link>
		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a bit naive to think that the tigress should have been subdued with a stun gun. She was loose in the zoo, she had already killed a man for goshsakes and was busy mauling two others. The police did not have any details of the escape until much later, and they thought that as many as four tigers were out. Zoo visitors were in imminent danger. The police did what they had to do. I&#039;m sure it was as distasteful for them to have to kill that tiger as it would have been for me, yet given the same circumstances I probably would have killed it too.

Stun guns are used on people, dogs, cattle, and other domestic stock. The effects of the stunners on those species are well known. But what settings would be appropriate for a tiger? How could a person be certain that the cat would actually be immobilized? What if the stun gun only drove it to greater fury?

No, as terrible as it was for the tigress to lose her life, it was really the only choice that the police could have made under the circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a bit naive to think that the tigress should have been subdued with a stun gun. She was loose in the zoo, she had already killed a man for goshsakes and was busy mauling two others. The police did not have any details of the escape until much later, and they thought that as many as four tigers were out. Zoo visitors were in imminent danger. The police did what they had to do. I&#8217;m sure it was as distasteful for them to have to kill that tiger as it would have been for me, yet given the same circumstances I probably would have killed it too.</p>
<p>Stun guns are used on people, dogs, cattle, and other domestic stock. The effects of the stunners on those species are well known. But what settings would be appropriate for a tiger? How could a person be certain that the cat would actually be immobilized? What if the stun gun only drove it to greater fury?</p>
<p>No, as terrible as it was for the tigress to lose her life, it was really the only choice that the police could have made under the circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone is just so concerned about these three animal abusers the dead one and the ones in hospital. I feel for the Tiger&#039;s life a beautiful animal held in captivity. The animal should have been spoiled to no end. The zoo was wrong to have the wall too low. But let&#039;s remember the Tiger would not have felt threatened if these 3 boys didn&#039;t torment her. A tiger, an endangered species in the wild, lost her life because of three morons who do not know how to act in public enjoyed this of all days Christmas. This is how these idiots entertained themselves. I want to know where was security, get some cameras surrounding the zoo as well for safety of the animals in captivity. I live in Philadelphia and go to the Zoo, and on one occasion a man was tormenting this Lion, the man was roaring in his face and the Lion was behind bars and the Lion had enough and turned his ass to his face and sprayed. I said, GOOD! &quot;That is what you deserve.&quot; When people are in the zoo and you see animals being abused from other patrons, go to someone and get help. These animals lost their mothers to be in captivity and now what, let&#039;s humiliate them and than when they escape, the police kill her. This is sick and disturbing. I just hope there is a Tiger in heaven, now and we know where these punks will end up. The police could have used a stun gun. If you cannot take care of these helpless wild animals properly, you should not have them in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is just so concerned about these three animal abusers the dead one and the ones in hospital. I feel for the Tiger&#8217;s life a beautiful animal held in captivity. The animal should have been spoiled to no end. The zoo was wrong to have the wall too low. But let&#8217;s remember the Tiger would not have felt threatened if these 3 boys didn&#8217;t torment her. A tiger, an endangered species in the wild, lost her life because of three morons who do not know how to act in public enjoyed this of all days Christmas. This is how these idiots entertained themselves. I want to know where was security, get some cameras surrounding the zoo as well for safety of the animals in captivity. I live in Philadelphia and go to the Zoo, and on one occasion a man was tormenting this Lion, the man was roaring in his face and the Lion was behind bars and the Lion had enough and turned his ass to his face and sprayed. I said, GOOD! &#8220;That is what you deserve.&#8221; When people are in the zoo and you see animals being abused from other patrons, go to someone and get help. These animals lost their mothers to be in captivity and now what, let&#8217;s humiliate them and than when they escape, the police kill her. This is sick and disturbing. I just hope there is a Tiger in heaven, now and we know where these punks will end up. The police could have used a stun gun. If you cannot take care of these helpless wild animals properly, you should not have them in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my understanding that the zoo closed its entry gates at 5pm but that the zoo did not close for visitors already inside until 6pm. That is pretty standard. I rarely ever leave a zoo at its stated closing time. At Cincy, for instance, in the summertime especially, I have stayed for up to two hours past the time when the zoo entry gates closed, and I have never been asked to leave. The zoo employees are busy cleaning up, etc., and as long as visitors are not acting disruptively, they allow people to leave at leisure.

I believe that the San Francisco Zoo had cut corners so much that they had inadequate coverage to ensure the safety of both people and animals.

Now that this tragedy has brought zoo safety into public scrutiny, maybe zoos across the country will modernize their security. For instance, video surveillance might have helped to save young Sousa&#039;s life. Certainly it would have provided some answers as to how the incident unfolded - answers that, given the Dhaliwal brothers&#039; reported lack of cooperation with the investigators, may never be forthcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my understanding that the zoo closed its entry gates at 5pm but that the zoo did not close for visitors already inside until 6pm. That is pretty standard. I rarely ever leave a zoo at its stated closing time. At Cincy, for instance, in the summertime especially, I have stayed for up to two hours past the time when the zoo entry gates closed, and I have never been asked to leave. The zoo employees are busy cleaning up, etc., and as long as visitors are not acting disruptively, they allow people to leave at leisure.</p>
<p>I believe that the San Francisco Zoo had cut corners so much that they had inadequate coverage to ensure the safety of both people and animals.</p>
<p>Now that this tragedy has brought zoo safety into public scrutiny, maybe zoos across the country will modernize their security. For instance, video surveillance might have helped to save young Sousa&#8217;s life. Certainly it would have provided some answers as to how the incident unfolded &#8211; answers that, given the Dhaliwal brothers&#8217; reported lack of cooperation with the investigators, may never be forthcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: grajasekar</title>
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		<dc:creator>grajasekar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,

              Perhaps the zoo really should have higher walls. Read on though...

              But then, I&#039;m from India (from the city of Madras or chennai as it is now know). I&#039;ve gone to zoos all around the country and seen the callous attitude with which people lean over the railings and walls (some with toddlers in their hands too) and how they let their kids run around the zoo and do the same stuff with no proper supervision.  The same kind of stuff goes on at Madras Crocodile Bank (outside the city) set up by Romulus Whitaker long ago.  I&#039;ve even seen the way some people throw stones and such into the tiger enclosure at New Delhi&#039;s zoo (and these ain&#039;t no little kids,I&#039;m talking about grown men who come with their families).

And I&#039;m just an engineering student and I asked him why he was throwing stuff in (while the Tiger was in the Moat surrounding the enclosure, mind you the walls were quite high though). He said &quot;Aaapko kya? (&quot;Why do you care&quot; in hindi).   I really felt like pushing him over into the enclosure. But that&#039;s the kind of respect the common man has for animals here. They don&#039;t look upon it with respect, as something of great power, as a being that can and will harm you if you cross the line. They see something in a cage and they go &quot;Hey everyone come see the tiger in the cage, lets throw a few stones at it and taunt it and see whether it roars&quot;.

               If the Dhaliwal brothers were indeed taunting the tiger, I&#039;d say they deserved to have been mauled to death by that tiger. It is disheartening to note that Carlos Sousa Jr was killed rather than these two fools. But is it known with absolute certainty that they were not all in the act together??     Its also sad that these guys have the nerve not to cooperate with the police after all they&#039;ve done.  Perhaps the zoo should indeed sue them for the loss of the tiger.   But no amount of sueing is going to bring that wonderful animal back alive. The loss of the tiger is a tragedy I would put at an equal level with the death of the Souza boy.

The zoo certainly needs to update itself on safety measures. And why didn&#039;t the tiger simple go for anyone else after it got out? Why did it go directly after the two guys who had run to the cafe? Looks like there is something fishy going on with regard to why these kids were there after the zoo&#039;s official closing time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>              Perhaps the zoo really should have higher walls. Read on though&#8230;</p>
<p>              But then, I&#8217;m from India (from the city of Madras or chennai as it is now know). I&#8217;ve gone to zoos all around the country and seen the callous attitude with which people lean over the railings and walls (some with toddlers in their hands too) and how they let their kids run around the zoo and do the same stuff with no proper supervision.  The same kind of stuff goes on at Madras Crocodile Bank (outside the city) set up by Romulus Whitaker long ago.  I&#8217;ve even seen the way some people throw stones and such into the tiger enclosure at New Delhi&#8217;s zoo (and these ain&#8217;t no little kids,I&#8217;m talking about grown men who come with their families).</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m just an engineering student and I asked him why he was throwing stuff in (while the Tiger was in the Moat surrounding the enclosure, mind you the walls were quite high though). He said &#8220;Aaapko kya? (&#8220;Why do you care&#8221; in hindi).   I really felt like pushing him over into the enclosure. But that&#8217;s the kind of respect the common man has for animals here. They don&#8217;t look upon it with respect, as something of great power, as a being that can and will harm you if you cross the line. They see something in a cage and they go &#8220;Hey everyone come see the tiger in the cage, lets throw a few stones at it and taunt it and see whether it roars&#8221;.</p>
<p>               If the Dhaliwal brothers were indeed taunting the tiger, I&#8217;d say they deserved to have been mauled to death by that tiger. It is disheartening to note that Carlos Sousa Jr was killed rather than these two fools. But is it known with absolute certainty that they were not all in the act together??     Its also sad that these guys have the nerve not to cooperate with the police after all they&#8217;ve done.  Perhaps the zoo should indeed sue them for the loss of the tiger.   But no amount of sueing is going to bring that wonderful animal back alive. The loss of the tiger is a tragedy I would put at an equal level with the death of the Souza boy.</p>
<p>The zoo certainly needs to update itself on safety measures. And why didn&#8217;t the tiger simple go for anyone else after it got out? Why did it go directly after the two guys who had run to the cafe? Looks like there is something fishy going on with regard to why these kids were there after the zoo&#8217;s official closing time.</p>
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		<title>By: treeclaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>treeclaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have this all wrong.  Zoo animals need protection from dangerous human beings.  The tiger pen was not high enough to keep out the &lt;em&gt;Homo sapiens&lt;/em&gt; who demonstrate inappropriate behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have this all wrong.  Zoo animals need protection from dangerous human beings.  The tiger pen was not high enough to keep out the <em>Homo sapiens</em> who demonstrate inappropriate behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a December 31, 2007, update, on the tiger attack, see especially the last half of this posting:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/zoos-news-07/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Year Ends With Zoos in News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a December 31, 2007, update, on the tiger attack, see especially the last half of this posting:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/zoos-news-07/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Year Ends With Zoos in News</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with those who say the zoo was not at fault. They knew that their wall was much lower than the recommended height for tigers, and a woman had told them, in writing, &lt;em&gt;ten years ago&lt;/em&gt; about an incident in which a different tiger had nearly gotten out when it went for her then 3-year-old son.

The woman had her toddler at the zoo. One of the tigers leaped into the moat and then leaped up and got its paw over the rim of the moat, before it finally slipped back down. The woman told a nearby zoo employee, who also witnessed the incident, and the employee said that the tiger did that all the time, and that it &quot;hated (the employee&#039;s) guts&quot;. The woman then wrote to the zoo director describing the incident and cancelling her zoo membership. She never heard another word about it.

So the zoo authorities had been told about the possibility that the tigers could get out of their grotto, and they apparently did nothing about it.

I had heard about the police finding a shoe print on the railing of tiger pen, but this is the first I have heard of a &lt;em&gt;bloody&lt;/em&gt; footprint. Forensics should determine fairly quicky whether that print matches any of the boys&#039; shoes.

I agree, the Dhaliwal brothers&#039; behavior seems strange. There&#039;s no way to know, without more information, whether to consider their behavior &quot;suspicious&quot;. My gut feeling is that they had much more to do with the whole tragedy than they are telling. Otherwise why did they tell the Sousa boy&#039;s father that he was not with them, when in fact he was?

I doubt they were at the tiger grotto for any religious or mystic reasons, but there is a lot here that just does not add up.

Are authorities &lt;em&gt;certain&lt;/em&gt; that the Sousa boy&#039;s fatal injury was inflicted by the tigress? I wonder, if the tigress saw three men scuffling, for instance, could that have excited her enough to cause her to charge out of her enclosure? Did anyone other than the two brothers witness the escape?

No matter &lt;em&gt;what&lt;/em&gt; triggerred her predatory charge, the fact remains that the zoo&#039;s enclosure was not adequate to keep the tiger confined. But I sure would like to find out what caused that attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with those who say the zoo was not at fault. They knew that their wall was much lower than the recommended height for tigers, and a woman had told them, in writing, <em>ten years ago</em> about an incident in which a different tiger had nearly gotten out when it went for her then 3-year-old son.</p>
<p>The woman had her toddler at the zoo. One of the tigers leaped into the moat and then leaped up and got its paw over the rim of the moat, before it finally slipped back down. The woman told a nearby zoo employee, who also witnessed the incident, and the employee said that the tiger did that all the time, and that it &#8220;hated (the employee&#8217;s) guts&#8221;. The woman then wrote to the zoo director describing the incident and cancelling her zoo membership. She never heard another word about it.</p>
<p>So the zoo authorities had been told about the possibility that the tigers could get out of their grotto, and they apparently did nothing about it.</p>
<p>I had heard about the police finding a shoe print on the railing of tiger pen, but this is the first I have heard of a <em>bloody</em> footprint. Forensics should determine fairly quicky whether that print matches any of the boys&#8217; shoes.</p>
<p>I agree, the Dhaliwal brothers&#8217; behavior seems strange. There&#8217;s no way to know, without more information, whether to consider their behavior &#8220;suspicious&#8221;. My gut feeling is that they had much more to do with the whole tragedy than they are telling. Otherwise why did they tell the Sousa boy&#8217;s father that he was not with them, when in fact he was?</p>
<p>I doubt they were at the tiger grotto for any religious or mystic reasons, but there is a lot here that just does not add up.</p>
<p>Are authorities <em>certain</em> that the Sousa boy&#8217;s fatal injury was inflicted by the tigress? I wonder, if the tigress saw three men scuffling, for instance, could that have excited her enough to cause her to charge out of her enclosure? Did anyone other than the two brothers witness the escape?</p>
<p>No matter <em>what</em> triggerred her predatory charge, the fact remains that the zoo&#8217;s enclosure was not adequate to keep the tiger confined. But I sure would like to find out what caused that attack.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be something if it turns out that the tiger was not the Sousa boy&#039;s killer after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be something if it turns out that the tiger was not the Sousa boy&#8217;s killer after all?</p>
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		<title>By: mahlerfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>mahlerfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the victims may have taunted the tiger and agitated the animal enough to cause it to escape from its enclosure, I don&#039;t think this is a reason to give the zoo a free pass in their negligence. The fact is that tiger should not have been able to escape under any circumstance. This could have happened when the zoo was more crowded and who knows how many people could have been attacked. People who would not have been acting like idiots (if in fact that is what happened) but were just having a good time at the zoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the victims may have taunted the tiger and agitated the animal enough to cause it to escape from its enclosure, I don&#8217;t think this is a reason to give the zoo a free pass in their negligence. The fact is that tiger should not have been able to escape under any circumstance. This could have happened when the zoo was more crowded and who knows how many people could have been attacked. People who would not have been acting like idiots (if in fact that is what happened) but were just having a good time at the zoo.</p>
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		<title>By: squatch-toba</title>
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		<dc:creator>squatch-toba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the fact that the &quot;victims&quot; are not cooperating with the police tells me that they were indeed doing something that they were not supposed to be doing! If they were just minding their own business, why are they hiding the details? Hey, you play with fire long enough you get burned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the fact that the &#8220;victims&#8221; are not cooperating with the police tells me that they were indeed doing something that they were not supposed to be doing! If they were just minding their own business, why are they hiding the details? Hey, you play with fire long enough you get burned!</p>
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