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	<title>Comments on: The Carter Farm: A Road Less Traveled</title>
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		<title>By: John Savoy</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/carter/comment-page-1/#comment-81964</link>
		<dc:creator>John Savoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that would be the Rio Grande and either way it would be around 800 miles from me]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would be the Rio Grande and either way it would be around 800 miles from me</p>
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		<title>By: Goodfoot</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/carter/comment-page-1/#comment-81961</link>
		<dc:creator>Goodfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are Mexican Wolves in Big Bend, and perhaps other areas as well.  It is no big deal to cross the Rio Bravo for people OR wolves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are Mexican Wolves in Big Bend, and perhaps other areas as well.  It is no big deal to cross the Rio Bravo for people OR wolves.</p>
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		<title>By: John Savoy</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/carter/comment-page-1/#comment-81957</link>
		<dc:creator>John Savoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not supposed to be any wolves other than coyotes in the state of Texas]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not supposed to be any wolves other than coyotes in the state of Texas</p>
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		<title>By: Goodfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goodfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grey wolves? This is the Mexican Wolf, right? Why would it be so surprising to see a Mexican Wolf in Tejas?  I know... sorry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grey wolves? This is the Mexican Wolf, right? Why would it be so surprising to see a Mexican Wolf in Tejas?  I know&#8230; sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: John Savoy</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/carter/comment-page-1/#comment-81616</link>
		<dc:creator>John Savoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve lived and hunted in SE Texas all my life except for 5 yrs in the USMC all that time I&#039;ve seen grey wolves and very small black bears not often but enough times to know they are here in all that time (i&#039;m 43 now) i&#039;ve never even thought of taking a picture or collecting scat or even hair samples.The simplest thing i could is shoot one next time i see one but i won&#039;t.I just found out neither of these animals are supposed to be here.
    My point is this ...at first i didn&#039;t think it was a big deal seeing wolves or bears now i know what i know I don&#039;t want to put them at risk of other people finding them and maybe killing them.......Just something to think about]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived and hunted in SE Texas all my life except for 5 yrs in the USMC all that time I&#8217;ve seen grey wolves and very small black bears not often but enough times to know they are here in all that time (i&#8217;m 43 now) i&#8217;ve never even thought of taking a picture or collecting scat or even hair samples.The simplest thing i could is shoot one next time i see one but i won&#8217;t.I just found out neither of these animals are supposed to be here.<br />
    My point is this &#8230;at first i didn&#8217;t think it was a big deal seeing wolves or bears now i know what i know I don&#8217;t want to put them at risk of other people finding them and maybe killing them&#8230;&#8230;.Just something to think about</p>
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		<title>By: Fhqwhgads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fhqwhgads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@graybear

As I said, the Greeks had more than one genre of writing; they maintained a sharp distinction between a fable, a history, a play, and a philosophical discourse.  That kind of analysis even of their own writings is a part of their culture.  I am not sure if those distinctions arise in North American cultures. 

You&#039;re right that Herodotus included some pretty tall tales, but other Greeks criticized him for this.  Also, it is noteworthy that the farther from Greece, and hence less verifiable, a story was, the more likely it was to have fabulous elements.  Finally, he did not vouch for the truthfulness of what he was writing, only that he was faithfully passing along what he had heard when he was researching the histories.  This is at least in part no doubt true, because he patenly disbelieved that Phoenicians circumnavigating Africa saw the noonday sun to the NORTH, and that the Nile originated in snows.  

All this means that Herodotus is more trustworthy when he talks about the Greeks than about the Egyptians, more trustworthy talking about the Egyptians than about the Persians, and more trustworthy talking about the Persians than about the (subcontinental) Indians.  There are signals both in the structure of his writing and in the way it is referred to within his culture that establishes it as a work of history, and there are signals within his work to indicate where he is most trustworthy and where he is not. 

Similar markers may or may not occur in Native American tales.  It would be worth knowing if the Sasquatch stories are more similar to accounts of Little Bighorn or to Fox jumping over Coyote to bring him back to life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@graybear</p>
<p>As I said, the Greeks had more than one genre of writing; they maintained a sharp distinction between a fable, a history, a play, and a philosophical discourse.  That kind of analysis even of their own writings is a part of their culture.  I am not sure if those distinctions arise in North American cultures. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that Herodotus included some pretty tall tales, but other Greeks criticized him for this.  Also, it is noteworthy that the farther from Greece, and hence less verifiable, a story was, the more likely it was to have fabulous elements.  Finally, he did not vouch for the truthfulness of what he was writing, only that he was faithfully passing along what he had heard when he was researching the histories.  This is at least in part no doubt true, because he patenly disbelieved that Phoenicians circumnavigating Africa saw the noonday sun to the NORTH, and that the Nile originated in snows.  </p>
<p>All this means that Herodotus is more trustworthy when he talks about the Greeks than about the Egyptians, more trustworthy talking about the Egyptians than about the Persians, and more trustworthy talking about the Persians than about the (subcontinental) Indians.  There are signals both in the structure of his writing and in the way it is referred to within his culture that establishes it as a work of history, and there are signals within his work to indicate where he is most trustworthy and where he is not. </p>
<p>Similar markers may or may not occur in Native American tales.  It would be worth knowing if the Sasquatch stories are more similar to accounts of Little Bighorn or to Fox jumping over Coyote to bring him back to life.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;So much for the idea that the accounts are “remarkably consistent” — at least until the ones that refuse to fit the mold have been trimmed out.&#039;

I&#039;ve read hundreds and hundreds of sighting reports.

When one has done that the Carter story stands out, like a warehouse full of sore thumbs, as inconsistent, and droppable.

And not only for its details, but for this alone:

Anything that has allegedly gone on for this long; that the principals are eager to make public; and for which they have not one piece of legitimate evidence, smells ranker than a barrel of fish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;So much for the idea that the accounts are “remarkably consistent” — at least until the ones that refuse to fit the mold have been trimmed out.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read hundreds and hundreds of sighting reports.</p>
<p>When one has done that the Carter story stands out, like a warehouse full of sore thumbs, as inconsistent, and droppable.</p>
<p>And not only for its details, but for this alone:</p>
<p>Anything that has allegedly gone on for this long; that the principals are eager to make public; and for which they have not one piece of legitimate evidence, smells ranker than a barrel of fish.</p>
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		<title>By: graybear</title>
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		<dc:creator>graybear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fhq-whatever.  Well, actually I agree with you that the Native American stories about Bigfoot are cherry-picked; every time anyone chooses this story (about a regularly described Bigfoot) over that story (about a story about talking otters that magically transform into beautiful maidens; a favorite theme) they are in fact cherry-picking.  Every time a jury convicts someone on the basis of their story about just how that meth lab that was not theirs got into their broken down van in their back yard, that&#039;s cherry picking, too.  Anytime you don&#039;t believe your little girl about just how all that make-up got smeared over her  and her little brother&#039;s face, you&#039;re cherry-picking.  So cherry picking is something that is universally done; it is actually an act of judgement, you judge that this tale is worthy of serious attention, that one to use for mulch.

I don&#039;t really understand your reference to Aesop, Livy, Plutarch and Herodotus.  Aesop&#039;s tales were readily acknowledged as fables, hence the name Aesop&#039;s Fables, which is not the case with Bigfoot tales, we have to winnow through the tales and decide which are worthy of serious attention and which belong on Saturday morning TV.  And the ancient Greeks, including Herodotus, were quick to believe in dog-headed men, men who had only one fused leg, pythons big enough to kill elephants, and a host of other weirdos.  Does that mean we should discount all their other work?  Or do we do more cherry picking?

And remember, this all started about the Carter farm, which is cherry picker heaven; some of the stories have , not a ring of truth, but maybe a dull clunk of &#039;well, I don&#039;t know, that sounds like maybe it might possibly under some circumstances in a really bad thunderstorm happen I really want to believe this&#039;.  I&#039;d like to believe it, but I&#039;ve cherry picked my way through the Carter Farm stories and in my judgement they are at best hallucinations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fhq-whatever.  Well, actually I agree with you that the Native American stories about Bigfoot are cherry-picked; every time anyone chooses this story (about a regularly described Bigfoot) over that story (about a story about talking otters that magically transform into beautiful maidens; a favorite theme) they are in fact cherry-picking.  Every time a jury convicts someone on the basis of their story about just how that meth lab that was not theirs got into their broken down van in their back yard, that&#8217;s cherry picking, too.  Anytime you don&#8217;t believe your little girl about just how all that make-up got smeared over her  and her little brother&#8217;s face, you&#8217;re cherry-picking.  So cherry picking is something that is universally done; it is actually an act of judgement, you judge that this tale is worthy of serious attention, that one to use for mulch.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really understand your reference to Aesop, Livy, Plutarch and Herodotus.  Aesop&#8217;s tales were readily acknowledged as fables, hence the name Aesop&#8217;s Fables, which is not the case with Bigfoot tales, we have to winnow through the tales and decide which are worthy of serious attention and which belong on Saturday morning TV.  And the ancient Greeks, including Herodotus, were quick to believe in dog-headed men, men who had only one fused leg, pythons big enough to kill elephants, and a host of other weirdos.  Does that mean we should discount all their other work?  Or do we do more cherry picking?</p>
<p>And remember, this all started about the Carter farm, which is cherry picker heaven; some of the stories have , not a ring of truth, but maybe a dull clunk of &#8216;well, I don&#8217;t know, that sounds like maybe it might possibly under some circumstances in a really bad thunderstorm happen I really want to believe this&#8217;.  I&#8217;d like to believe it, but I&#8217;ve cherry picked my way through the Carter Farm stories and in my judgement they are at best hallucinations.</p>
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		<title>By: Goodfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goodfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read Scott Nelson&#039;s analyses.  He doesn&#039;t claim they speak English - he much more reasonably says they sprinkle English words into their conversations. So many generations listening in from the shadows, and so many decades Scott spent under the cans. I hear English words and phrases in the Sierra Sounds, and I don&#039;t think they&#039;re mere cognates, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read Scott Nelson&#8217;s analyses.  He doesn&#8217;t claim they speak English &#8211; he much more reasonably says they sprinkle English words into their conversations. So many generations listening in from the shadows, and so many decades Scott spent under the cans. I hear English words and phrases in the Sierra Sounds, and I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re mere cognates, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulysses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulysses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love these stories and find no reason why they cannot  be held as real.  I personally do not care about exposing Bigfoot as do many others. It&#039;s a belief  as many of us would believe in religion  and the unseen or invisible.  There are people who are protectors in this world  who do not need the recognition of their fellows or peers. They just do what&#039;s right. I personally beleive  them to be Sainted and Blessed. Most people cannot understand this  nowadays and thats the real sadness here  on this blog and in life. 
Keep your stool samples and hair and keep watching Finding Bigfoot and see  in the end where it leaves you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these stories and find no reason why they cannot  be held as real.  I personally do not care about exposing Bigfoot as do many others. It&#8217;s a belief  as many of us would believe in religion  and the unseen or invisible.  There are people who are protectors in this world  who do not need the recognition of their fellows or peers. They just do what&#8217;s right. I personally beleive  them to be Sainted and Blessed. Most people cannot understand this  nowadays and thats the real sadness here  on this blog and in life.<br />
Keep your stool samples and hair and keep watching Finding Bigfoot and see  in the end where it leaves you.</p>
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