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	<title>Comments on: Extinct: Caribbean Monk Seal</title>
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		<title>By: Dj Plasmic Nebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dj Plasmic Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is sad. (sigh).. but look on the bright side.. it was seen in modern times like ours.. i was born in 1987.... :) and it was around my time, my grandpas and parents and the fact the Caribbean Seal's history is in records (meaning it's known and not unknown) so be happy it was around our time. :) and known. :) :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is sad. (sigh).. but look on the bright side.. it was seen in modern times like ours.. i was born in 1987&#8230;. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> and it was around my time, my grandpas and parents and the fact the Caribbean Seal&#8217;s history is in records (meaning it&#8217;s known and not unknown) so be happy it was around our time. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> and known. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point Radix- Ok, I see what you are saying. Thanks for clearing that up.

As far as the decline of the monk seal goes, like I said extinction can be a tricky thing to call. As long as they were seen as recently as the 50s, I suppose there was reason to believe individuals or small populations might still be present and therefore they continued to be recognized as an extant species. Extremely threatened, yes, but declaring a species extinct is a fairly serious verdict and so must be considered carefully. There are many cases of species being prematurely declared extinct and of so called "Lazarus taxa" reappearing after being thought extinct for a long time, sometimes after millions of years. You can see the problem this poses, and I guess after they did a thorough search for specimens and turned up nothing they figured the species had finally expired. I still think even now it might be premature, since the range is so large.

I completely agree that it is amazing that this species of seal made it as long as it did considering the challenges it faced from such extensive hunting and exploitation. The fact that it overcame these obstacles until so recently gives me some hope that some may still be around and that it might pop up again at some time in the future. If it does, I hope efforts are made to try and protect it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point Radix- Ok, I see what you are saying. Thanks for clearing that up.</p>
<p>As far as the decline of the monk seal goes, like I said extinction can be a tricky thing to call. As long as they were seen as recently as the 50s, I suppose there was reason to believe individuals or small populations might still be present and therefore they continued to be recognized as an extant species. Extremely threatened, yes, but declaring a species extinct is a fairly serious verdict and so must be considered carefully. There are many cases of species being prematurely declared extinct and of so called &#8220;Lazarus taxa&#8221; reappearing after being thought extinct for a long time, sometimes after millions of years. You can see the problem this poses, and I guess after they did a thorough search for specimens and turned up nothing they figured the species had finally expired. I still think even now it might be premature, since the range is so large.</p>
<p>I completely agree that it is amazing that this species of seal made it as long as it did considering the challenges it faced from such extensive hunting and exploitation. The fact that it overcame these obstacles until so recently gives me some hope that some may still be around and that it might pop up again at some time in the future. If it does, I hope efforts are made to try and protect it.</p>
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		<title>By: Point Radix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Point Radix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I should have specified that I was referring to the April 2008 story of the Cougar killed in Chicago, where the following quote was reported: “A spokesman for the Illinois Department of Natural Resources said Monday that the state’s current wildlife code does not protect cougars because they are not considered a normal part of the ecosystem here”. So, I was just wondering if the same "logic" used in that excuse, would be applied to these monk seals in the hypothetical (though highly unlikely) event of one of them being rediscovered.

What is surprising about the Caribbean Monk Seal is that it still existed 50 years ago, since this was one of the first species to face overexploitation over 500 years, as far back as the first Spanish colonies on Hispaniola in 1492. They were extensively and indiscriminately hunted by settlers throughout the following centuries as a convenient source of meat and lamp oil.

It is strange that they were still seen up to the 1950's, since for all intents and purposes, the Caribbean Monk Seal was already extremely rare and on the brink of extinction since the 1860's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I should have specified that I was referring to the April 2008 story of the Cougar killed in Chicago, where the following quote was reported: “A spokesman for the Illinois Department of Natural Resources said Monday that the state’s current wildlife code does not protect cougars because they are not considered a normal part of the ecosystem here”. So, I was just wondering if the same &#8220;logic&#8221; used in that excuse, would be applied to these monk seals in the hypothetical (though highly unlikely) event of one of them being rediscovered.</p>
<p>What is surprising about the Caribbean Monk Seal is that it still existed 50 years ago, since this was one of the first species to face overexploitation over 500 years, as far back as the first Spanish colonies on Hispaniola in 1492. They were extensively and indiscriminately hunted by settlers throughout the following centuries as a convenient source of meat and lamp oil.</p>
<p>It is strange that they were still seen up to the 1950&#8217;s, since for all intents and purposes, the Caribbean Monk Seal was already extremely rare and on the brink of extinction since the 1860&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not really that strange to declare a species extinct after 50 years. There is a difference between MAY be extinct and the point at which the species is officially declared extinct along official criteria. There are a lot of factors that have to be considered and in fact, many species are declared extinct retrospectively, especially if the animal had a large range. Although the loss of a population's ability to sustain itself may basically spell its doom early on, extinction is generally accepted as happening upon the death of the last individual specimen of that species. Since there were unconfirmed reports of these seals, and such a large range within which scattered individuals could be potentially be hanging on, it can be difficult to know when to officially declare it extinct. Anyway, fifty years is actually not really all that long, so I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this seal is still out there somewhere.

Point Radix- I'm sorry if I am misunderstanding what you were trying to say, but I'm not sure what is meant by the above comment about the seal not being a "normal part of the ecosystem". It is far too soon for the ecosystem to have adapted to this animal's absence, and in fact it is likely to suffer as a result of such a large missing species. This was an animal that evolved into a particular role within this habitat. It's NOT being there is not a normal part of the ecosystem. I would say one found off the coast of Florida would be protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not really that strange to declare a species extinct after 50 years. There is a difference between MAY be extinct and the point at which the species is officially declared extinct along official criteria. There are a lot of factors that have to be considered and in fact, many species are declared extinct retrospectively, especially if the animal had a large range. Although the loss of a population&#8217;s ability to sustain itself may basically spell its doom early on, extinction is generally accepted as happening upon the death of the last individual specimen of that species. Since there were unconfirmed reports of these seals, and such a large range within which scattered individuals could be potentially be hanging on, it can be difficult to know when to officially declare it extinct. Anyway, fifty years is actually not really all that long, so I wouldn&#8217;t be entirely surprised if this seal is still out there somewhere.</p>
<p>Point Radix- I&#8217;m sorry if I am misunderstanding what you were trying to say, but I&#8217;m not sure what is meant by the above comment about the seal not being a &#8220;normal part of the ecosystem&#8221;. It is far too soon for the ecosystem to have adapted to this animal&#8217;s absence, and in fact it is likely to suffer as a result of such a large missing species. This was an animal that evolved into a particular role within this habitat. It&#8217;s NOT being there is not a normal part of the ecosystem. I would say one found off the coast of Florida would be protected.</p>
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		<title>By: Point Radix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Point Radix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very strange that the "US government has formally declared extinct" a species that may be extinct for up to 50+ years. I think almost everyone else had accepted that to be the case for decades now.

But on the other hand, if one were to be sighted off Florida would it be an unprotected species since it is not longer considered to be a "normal part of the ecosystem"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very strange that the &#8220;US government has formally declared extinct&#8221; a species that may be extinct for up to 50+ years. I think almost everyone else had accepted that to be the case for decades now.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, if one were to be sighted off Florida would it be an unprotected species since it is not longer considered to be a &#8220;normal part of the ecosystem&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Minnesota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Minnesota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can hope there are a few left. Who knows, until then this is very sad :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can hope there are a few left. Who knows, until then this is very sad <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: UltraRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>UltraRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very sad.

I hope there are a few left out there someplace happily breeding in a hidden cay, but I know the odds aren't so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sad.</p>
<p>I hope there are a few left out there someplace happily breeding in a hidden cay, but I know the odds aren&#8217;t so good.</p>
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		<title>By: PhotoExpert</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad!</p>
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