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	<title>Comments on: Coast to Coast AM: Male Chauvinism Within Bigfoot Research?</title>
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		<title>By: silvereagle</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/c2c-chauvinism/#comment-30770</link>
		<dc:creator>silvereagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuzzy,
I believe that the possession of tools, language and culture, is not a requirement to being our cousins.  As I recall, the Native Americans and the Bigfoot agree that the "Bigfoot is our brother".  Tools for what purpose?  They do not need to make clothes, cars or a product to trade.  They are entirely self sufficient and require no clothes, transportation or objects that they themselves cannot directly acquire.  Language?  They appear to understand ours.  Many people have been the recipient of telepathic communication from them, and they have reported it to be in English.  So who says that they do not have a language?  Culture?  Are we talking opera, ice capades and the movies here?  From my observation, the Bigfoot appear to have the capability of dropping in on any of these events, and remain undetected.  They also appear to be highly self-disciplined, extremely polite, very considerate, family oriented, quite willing to be friends with us, don't spend their lifetime consumed by religious wars, do not require attorneys to settle disputes, do not require credit cards to purchase items for their girlfriend who will dump him when their credit runs out, do not get into debt up to their eyeballs for a place to live, do not require expensive cars to travel and do not require a job to earn wampum from which they can trade for goods or services that supposedly makes his life better.  So exactly which of us, the Bigfoot or man, is truly cultured, and to what purpose?  Perhaps the Bigfoot has no use for our form of culture and can see it's inevitable self-destructive path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuzzy,<br />
I believe that the possession of tools, language and culture, is not a requirement to being our cousins.  As I recall, the Native Americans and the Bigfoot agree that the &#8220;Bigfoot is our brother&#8221;.  Tools for what purpose?  They do not need to make clothes, cars or a product to trade.  They are entirely self sufficient and require no clothes, transportation or objects that they themselves cannot directly acquire.  Language?  They appear to understand ours.  Many people have been the recipient of telepathic communication from them, and they have reported it to be in English.  So who says that they do not have a language?  Culture?  Are we talking opera, ice capades and the movies here?  From my observation, the Bigfoot appear to have the capability of dropping in on any of these events, and remain undetected.  They also appear to be highly self-disciplined, extremely polite, very considerate, family oriented, quite willing to be friends with us, don&#8217;t spend their lifetime consumed by religious wars, do not require attorneys to settle disputes, do not require credit cards to purchase items for their girlfriend who will dump him when their credit runs out, do not get into debt up to their eyeballs for a place to live, do not require expensive cars to travel and do not require a job to earn wampum from which they can trade for goods or services that supposedly makes his life better.  So exactly which of us, the Bigfoot or man, is truly cultured, and to what purpose?  Perhaps the Bigfoot has no use for our form of culture and can see it&#8217;s inevitable self-destructive path.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Maltby</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/c2c-chauvinism/#comment-30769</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Maltby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 13:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whether size, body language, scent, or other possibly gender-based differences might matter in the field is a legitimate question.  I think I'd want to put these questions to primatologists who work out in the field, rather than to those in the Bigfoot community, if only because they might be more objective, and have a broader and more informed view of whether it might depend on the species being studied.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be useful to see how the involvement and perceived position in Bigfoot studies of women compares to that in other non-mainstream areas. Women are distinct minorities in those areas as well, but I can think of no way in which any perceived physical differences matter there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What makes or breaks it for me in these areas is not so much what level of overt sexism is present, but how much of any face-to-face or online group membership consists of guys with poor social skills. Any place full of guys who want to score points in a debate tends to make it less likely that a true dialogue and respectful exchange of information and opinions will be welcomed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But when I see a topic like this using terms like "male chauvinism," "women's libber," and "ladies," I wonder why people are trying to make points using vocabulary that dates back more than three decades. Does that say something important about the demographics of this site?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether size, body language, scent, or other possibly gender-based differences might matter in the field is a legitimate question.  I think I&#8217;d want to put these questions to primatologists who work out in the field, rather than to those in the Bigfoot community, if only because they might be more objective, and have a broader and more informed view of whether it might depend on the species being studied.</p>
<p>It would be useful to see how the involvement and perceived position in Bigfoot studies of women compares to that in other non-mainstream areas. Women are distinct minorities in those areas as well, but I can think of no way in which any perceived physical differences matter there.</p>
<p>What makes or breaks it for me in these areas is not so much what level of overt sexism is present, but how much of any face-to-face or online group membership consists of guys with poor social skills. Any place full of guys who want to score points in a debate tends to make it less likely that a true dialogue and respectful exchange of information and opinions will be welcomed.</p>
<p>But when I see a topic like this using terms like &#8220;male chauvinism,&#8221; &#8220;women&#8217;s libber,&#8221; and &#8220;ladies,&#8221; I wonder why people are trying to make points using vocabulary that dates back more than three decades. Does that say something important about the demographics of this site?</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 04:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ole Bub - you asked, "What if these creatures are not creatures but our “first or second” cousins so to speak…with tools, language and culture?"

Tools?  No reports, other than digging sticks, that I know of, although they must be able to wield weapons, because of tree-knocking.

Language?  Many tales of Squatches hollerin' at each other - and at us - but who knows what they're "saying"?

Culture?  Vague comments about clothing draped over a shoulder or around a waist, but I'm waiting to hear about a Squatch at an ATM!

(I used to have a second cousin who looked like Sasquatch, 'cept she had a wooden leg.  Died of the Elm Blight back in ought-twenny-six.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ole Bub - you asked, &#8220;What if these creatures are not creatures but our “first or second” cousins so to speak…with tools, language and culture?&#8221;</p>
<p>Tools?  No reports, other than digging sticks, that I know of, although they must be able to wield weapons, because of tree-knocking.</p>
<p>Language?  Many tales of Squatches hollerin&#8217; at each other - and at us - but who knows what they&#8217;re &#8220;saying&#8221;?</p>
<p>Culture?  Vague comments about clothing draped over a shoulder or around a waist, but I&#8217;m waiting to hear about a Squatch at an ATM!</p>
<p>(I used to have a second cousin who looked like Sasquatch, &#8216;cept she had a wooden leg.  Died of the Elm Blight back in ought-twenny-six.)</p>
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		<title>By: DIANNA MT. HOOD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DIANNA MT. HOOD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Loren
 We don't think you are a male chauvinist Thanks for the help you have given to Klindt &#38; I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Loren<br />
 We don&#8217;t think you are a male chauvinist Thanks for the help you have given to Klindt &amp; I</p>
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		<title>By: bill green</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey loren, wow definetly a very interesting new article about bigfoot research on coast to coast am.   i still injoy listing that radio show.  thanks bill green</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey loren, wow definetly a very interesting new article about bigfoot research on coast to coast am.   i still injoy listing that radio show.  thanks bill green</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Bub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ole Bub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 16:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent commentary...Dogu4...

Too many grown men playing soldier when they should be using a kinder, gentler, patient approach...JMHO

What if these creatures are not creatures but our "first or second" cousins so to speak...with tools, language and culture?  What if the prevailing Native American concept of Sasquatch is correct?

live and let live...

ole bub and the dawgs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent commentary&#8230;Dogu4&#8230;</p>
<p>Too many grown men playing soldier when they should be using a kinder, gentler, patient approach&#8230;JMHO</p>
<p>What if these creatures are not creatures but our &#8220;first or second&#8221; cousins so to speak&#8230;with tools, language and culture?  What if the prevailing Native American concept of Sasquatch is correct?</p>
<p>live and let live&#8230;</p>
<p>ole bub and the dawgs</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If geniune field research for the elusive BF is ever undertaken I would recommend that the field researcher be alert, aware, visual, low impact and contempletive...and very VERY patient. Sounds like a perfect job for a any number of seasoned female field bio-techs I've met and worked with. Though there are quite a few male field biologists who think likewise, but for the same reason they arent heard or their perspective can't be heard over the din from arguement about the best gun or results of some speculative death match scenario between alleged bigfoot and some other fearful rogue beast we see on cable tv.
It would contrast nicely with what seems to be the typical male approach to a bivouac in BFcountry; one of humvees, guns, nets and the believe that we can solve our problem if only we had better night vision goggles. Considering the record of success so far, it couldn't hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If geniune field research for the elusive BF is ever undertaken I would recommend that the field researcher be alert, aware, visual, low impact and contempletive&#8230;and very VERY patient. Sounds like a perfect job for a any number of seasoned female field bio-techs I&#8217;ve met and worked with. Though there are quite a few male field biologists who think likewise, but for the same reason they arent heard or their perspective can&#8217;t be heard over the din from arguement about the best gun or results of some speculative death match scenario between alleged bigfoot and some other fearful rogue beast we see on cable tv.<br />
It would contrast nicely with what seems to be the typical male approach to a bivouac in BFcountry; one of humvees, guns, nets and the believe that we can solve our problem if only we had better night vision goggles. Considering the record of success so far, it couldn&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 14:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tempest.  Teapot.

But of course, in squatchery, most days are slow news days.

As a man (bet you never guessed), I get particularly annoyed with women who, in trying to tell me they're just as good as I am, start taking undue advantage of their femininity.  The two featured in this discussion would be instantly labeled WHINERS! if they were men.  Here they have men falling all over themselves defending what they said with no ill intent, nor could it be interpreted as sexist by anyone without a chip on her whining shoulder.

This is the kind of crap - heck, just read the blogs - that we spend undue time on in squatchery and in crypto as a whole.  It's not about the personalities; it's about the critters.

Jane Goodall knew that from the beginning,  LADIES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tempest.  Teapot.</p>
<p>But of course, in squatchery, most days are slow news days.</p>
<p>As a man (bet you never guessed), I get particularly annoyed with women who, in trying to tell me they&#8217;re just as good as I am, start taking undue advantage of their femininity.  The two featured in this discussion would be instantly labeled WHINERS! if they were men.  Here they have men falling all over themselves defending what they said with no ill intent, nor could it be interpreted as sexist by anyone without a chip on her whining shoulder.</p>
<p>This is the kind of crap - heck, just read the blogs - that we spend undue time on in squatchery and in crypto as a whole.  It&#8217;s not about the personalities; it&#8217;s about the critters.</p>
<p>Jane Goodall knew that from the beginning,  LADIES.</p>
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		<title>By: daledrinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>daledrinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 10:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexism is like Vegetarianism. One form of Vegetarianism eschews red meat but accepts fish and poultry as all right to eat.

One definition of sexism is in the acceptance of ANY difference between the sexes, just as one definition of racism is the very acceptance of the concept of human races. This sort of thinking can easily be allowed to run out of control, and it looks as if this is one example of the thinking running out of control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexism is like Vegetarianism. One form of Vegetarianism eschews red meat but accepts fish and poultry as all right to eat.</p>
<p>One definition of sexism is in the acceptance of ANY difference between the sexes, just as one definition of racism is the very acceptance of the concept of human races. This sort of thinking can easily be allowed to run out of control, and it looks as if this is one example of the thinking running out of control.</p>
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		<title>By: dontmean2prymate</title>
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		<dc:creator>dontmean2prymate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 05:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the sexually prejudicial affect of nerd pheremones on random readers of bigfoot-related posts...

I can't tell the gender of posters unless they give it away, and even then who knows if it's true? I assume they're mostly male and am often surprised when texts reveal my assumption wrong. That's a beautiful thing: forums are automatically non-discriminatory. Any of you could be a blue and yellow speckled 160 year-old hermaphroditic humanoid in a cave beneath Antarctica. All that matters is your information offered.

In the wild (city or other), gender affects the moment. When I was young, horny and lonely I prowled the streets. I wasn't looking for a bigfoot or a bigfoot hunter. I was looking for an attractive female whether it was her pheromones, perfume, or highheels. I'm sexist that way.

If I'm looking for someone to find bigfoot, I'd consider a woman first, because the bigfoot to find would probably be a prowling young male. Now I'm discriminating against men. I also wouldn't hire a female who smokes cigars and plans to use a deer rifle. So I won't be hiring, unless you're an old speckled thing near the south pole.

I'll always be sexist when it comes to sex, but not when it comes to the person for the job. And in this case, I'd hire Loren to hire the best person for the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the sexually prejudicial affect of nerd pheremones on random readers of bigfoot-related posts&#8230;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell the gender of posters unless they give it away, and even then who knows if it&#8217;s true? I assume they&#8217;re mostly male and am often surprised when texts reveal my assumption wrong. That&#8217;s a beautiful thing: forums are automatically non-discriminatory. Any of you could be a blue and yellow speckled 160 year-old hermaphroditic humanoid in a cave beneath Antarctica. All that matters is your information offered.</p>
<p>In the wild (city or other), gender affects the moment. When I was young, horny and lonely I prowled the streets. I wasn&#8217;t looking for a bigfoot or a bigfoot hunter. I was looking for an attractive female whether it was her pheromones, perfume, or highheels. I&#8217;m sexist that way.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m looking for someone to find bigfoot, I&#8217;d consider a woman first, because the bigfoot to find would probably be a prowling young male. Now I&#8217;m discriminating against men. I also wouldn&#8217;t hire a female who smokes cigars and plans to use a deer rifle. So I won&#8217;t be hiring, unless you&#8217;re an old speckled thing near the south pole.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll always be sexist when it comes to sex, but not when it comes to the person for the job. And in this case, I&#8217;d hire Loren to hire the best person for the job.</p>
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