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		<title>By: jerrywayne</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bridge2far/comment-page-1/#comment-33932</link>
		<dc:creator>jerrywayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren,

Apparently I misunderstood your initial post. I thought you were looking for an open ended discussion, pro and con, of Fortean posts at a cryptozoology site.

Concerning my &quot;craving the darkness&quot; comment:
    1. As you should understand, I was making a value judgement concerning the linkage of Fortean ideas with cryptozoology. I am entitled to this as my opinion as well as you are entitled to a contrary opinion. (This does not imply that I am some &quot;random&quot; dunce that doesn&#039;t understand Forteana.)
     2. Actually, I was using the &quot;darkness&quot; metaphor because others had used it in a favorable way in posts above mine.

To clarify my view: I hold a conservative view concerning cryptozoology. I believe cryptozoology should find itself as a sub-discipline of the life sciences, probably not as important as, say, evolutionary science, but nonetheless legitimate.

This view runs counter to a Fortean takeover of cryptozoology interests. The Fortean&#039;s unstated premise is that &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; as acquired over the centuries (through the sciences and rational thought) is inadequate in accounting for anomalous events. This view allows the Fortean to propose all sorts of explanations for phenomena that are improbable on their face (but are paradoxically as probable as mundane explanations under the Fortean view.)

I believe there is a reason why folks have linked Fortean ideas (basically anti-rational and anti-scientific) with cryptozoology (a proposed scientific descipline). They simply want to be able to entertain the most sensational and romantic ideas and not be tied down to more realistic, mundane explantions. You and I may disagree as to the result of this marriage: light or darkness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren,</p>
<p>Apparently I misunderstood your initial post. I thought you were looking for an open ended discussion, pro and con, of Fortean posts at a cryptozoology site.</p>
<p>Concerning my &#8220;craving the darkness&#8221; comment:<br />
    1. As you should understand, I was making a value judgement concerning the linkage of Fortean ideas with cryptozoology. I am entitled to this as my opinion as well as you are entitled to a contrary opinion. (This does not imply that I am some &#8220;random&#8221; dunce that doesn&#8217;t understand Forteana.)<br />
     2. Actually, I was using the &#8220;darkness&#8221; metaphor because others had used it in a favorable way in posts above mine.</p>
<p>To clarify my view: I hold a conservative view concerning cryptozoology. I believe cryptozoology should find itself as a sub-discipline of the life sciences, probably not as important as, say, evolutionary science, but nonetheless legitimate.</p>
<p>This view runs counter to a Fortean takeover of cryptozoology interests. The Fortean&#8217;s unstated premise is that &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; as acquired over the centuries (through the sciences and rational thought) is inadequate in accounting for anomalous events. This view allows the Fortean to propose all sorts of explanations for phenomena that are improbable on their face (but are paradoxically as probable as mundane explanations under the Fortean view.)</p>
<p>I believe there is a reason why folks have linked Fortean ideas (basically anti-rational and anti-scientific) with cryptozoology (a proposed scientific descipline). They simply want to be able to entertain the most sensational and romantic ideas and not be tied down to more realistic, mundane explantions. You and I may disagree as to the result of this marriage: light or darkness?</p>
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		<title>By: Ayala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so awesome, Loren. And your thoughts on everything crypto-related or Fortean is what keeps me coming back.

I appreciate what you do! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so awesome, Loren. And your thoughts on everything crypto-related or Fortean is what keeps me coming back.</p>
<p>I appreciate what you do! <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Terry W. Colvin</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bridge2far/comment-page-1/#comment-33930</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry W. Colvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looking forward to reading your FT article on Celtic and Pagan links between the Silver and I-35W bridge collapses.  I applaud your courage in looking at the shades of grey between events.  I agree that Charles Fort and Ivan T. Sanderson taught us to look at the world skeptically.  The media coverage of today will become the history of tomorrow which is all too often biased and shallow.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to reading your FT article on Celtic and Pagan links between the Silver and I-35W bridge collapses.  I applaud your courage in looking at the shades of grey between events.  I agree that Charles Fort and Ivan T. Sanderson taught us to look at the world skeptically.  The media coverage of today will become the history of tomorrow which is all too often biased and shallow.</p>
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		<title>By: harleyb</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bridge2far/comment-page-1/#comment-33929</link>
		<dc:creator>harleyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cryptomundo rules!!! Rules!!! And people should open their minds. I don&#039;t see how people write on this site, but don&#039;t understand a Forteans outlook. Unreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cryptomundo rules!!! Rules!!! And people should open their minds. I don&#8217;t see how people write on this site, but don&#8217;t understand a Forteans outlook. Unreal.</p>
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		<title>By: harleyb</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bridge2far/comment-page-1/#comment-33928</link>
		<dc:creator>harleyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortean is not the deep end of the pool, unless you can&#039;t swim of course. Cryptozoology rules, and Forteans rule, bottom line. A Cryptozoologist must look at all angles and Loren knows this. There are no boundaries. I don&#039;t care if you wrote about raining frogs all week, as long as there is something better than that lame mainstream boo-boo news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortean is not the deep end of the pool, unless you can&#8217;t swim of course. Cryptozoology rules, and Forteans rule, bottom line. A Cryptozoologist must look at all angles and Loren knows this. There are no boundaries. I don&#8217;t care if you wrote about raining frogs all week, as long as there is something better than that lame mainstream boo-boo news.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Look, I do not appreciate being judged by people that use targeted verbal yardsticks, and would prefer if some individuals merely see these differences as differences; let&#039;s keep it there.  Using words like &quot;credibility&quot; has too many value-laden trigger emotions tied to it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. &quot;jerrywayne,&quot; for example, only confirms my sense that a random few people don&#039;t know what the Fortean point of view is.  If people characterize a Fortean POV as &quot;graving for darkness,&quot; more work needs to be done here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In reality, exploring and finding new things in the unknown (dark) and bringing them into the known (light) is the focus, in Forteana and cryptozoology.  As Ivan T. Sanderson taught me, skeptically but open-mindedly dealing with the tangible intangibles is definitely in line with being a cryptozoologist, and I retain that core mission as a Fortean and a cryptozoologist.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I do not appreciate being judged by people that use targeted verbal yardsticks, and would prefer if some individuals merely see these differences as differences; let&#8217;s keep it there.  Using words like &#8220;credibility&#8221; has too many value-laden trigger emotions tied to it.  </p>
<p>Mr. &#8220;jerrywayne,&#8221; for example, only confirms my sense that a random few people don&#8217;t know what the Fortean point of view is.  If people characterize a Fortean POV as &#8220;graving for darkness,&#8221; more work needs to be done here.</p>
<p>In reality, exploring and finding new things in the unknown (dark) and bringing them into the known (light) is the focus, in Forteana and cryptozoology.  As Ivan T. Sanderson taught me, skeptically but open-mindedly dealing with the tangible intangibles is definitely in line with being a cryptozoologist, and I retain that core mission as a Fortean and a cryptozoologist.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceroill</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bridge2far/comment-page-1/#comment-33926</link>
		<dc:creator>Ceroill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For some reason I am reminded of one of my (many) favorite lines from the book &quot;Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy&quot;: &quot;We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, this is not presented as a criticism of anyone here. Just a funny quote.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason I am reminded of one of my (many) favorite lines from the book &#8220;Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy&#8221;: &#8220;We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!&#8221;</p>
<p>No, this is not presented as a criticism of anyone here. Just a funny quote.</p>
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		<title>By: jerrywayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerrywayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Loren,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is your site and it is your right to post whatever you want. I thank you for allowing dissenting views in the readers response.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, I do not think you add credibility to the topic of cryptozoology when you go completely to the deep end of the pool known as Fortean. In my humble view, Forteans want their cake and to eat it too. If some phenomenon seems too weird to be true, then it may be true because it is too weird. (The &quot;We live in a weird world&quot; mantra). We shouldn&#039;t forget that Fort wrote to discredit mainstream science and to contradict everyday rationalism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You will never lack for adherents to this view (just look above for comments of those who willfully admit to a graving for &quot;darkness&quot; and an aversion to the &quot;light&quot;). But I think you cheapen the whole topic of cryptozoology when you give in to your flights of Fortean fancy.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren,</p>
<p>This is your site and it is your right to post whatever you want. I thank you for allowing dissenting views in the readers response.</p>
<p>However, I do not think you add credibility to the topic of cryptozoology when you go completely to the deep end of the pool known as Fortean. In my humble view, Forteans want their cake and to eat it too. If some phenomenon seems too weird to be true, then it may be true because it is too weird. (The &#8220;We live in a weird world&#8221; mantra). We shouldn&#8217;t forget that Fort wrote to discredit mainstream science and to contradict everyday rationalism.</p>
<p>You will never lack for adherents to this view (just look above for comments of those who willfully admit to a graving for &#8220;darkness&#8221; and an aversion to the &#8220;light&#8221;). But I think you cheapen the whole topic of cryptozoology when you give in to your flights of Fortean fancy.</p>
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		<title>By: kittycatbandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittycatbandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren,
I can&#039;t say anything that hasn&#039;t already been said.  I just wanted you to know you&#039;ve got another supporter out there.  (You&#039;re my all-time favorite Coast to Coast AM guest, by the way.)

Anyway, I read a quote by Einstein today that I think can be applied here:

&quot;As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it.&quot;

It comforts me to think of all that darkness out there.

~Kitty Cat Bandit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren,<br />
I can&#8217;t say anything that hasn&#8217;t already been said.  I just wanted you to know you&#8217;ve got another supporter out there.  (You&#8217;re my all-time favorite Coast to Coast AM guest, by the way.)</p>
<p>Anyway, I read a quote by Einstein today that I think can be applied here:</p>
<p>&#8220;As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it.&#8221;</p>
<p>It comforts me to think of all that darkness out there.</p>
<p>~Kitty Cat Bandit</p>
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		<title>By: DARHOP</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bridge2far/comment-page-1/#comment-33923</link>
		<dc:creator>DARHOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks&#039; Loren,&lt;br /&gt;.... This site is the BEST....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks&#8217; Loren,<br />&#8230;. This site is the BEST&#8230;.</p>
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