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		<title>By: youcantryreachingme</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/borneo-new/#comment-9000</link>
		<dc:creator>youcantryreachingme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crypto - where does the stick insect come into it?

If we're taking a diversion, I hope to collect a new species of Australian cicada - one that would dwarf our current largest. I'll keep you posted, but you'll have to wait some months :)</description>
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<p>If we&#8217;re taking a diversion, I hope to collect a new species of Australian cicada - one that would dwarf our current largest. I&#8217;ll keep you posted, but you&#8217;ll have to wait some months <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I just heard of a predatory stick-insect that was recently discovered in South Africa. 12 specimens were taken for study in Britain, but 2 were, umm, "lost" during the trip. A few others were dissected, and the missing 2 were, uhh "found."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I just heard of a predatory stick-insect that was recently discovered in South Africa. 12 specimens were taken for study in Britain, but 2 were, umm, &#8220;lost&#8221; during the trip. A few others were dissected, and the missing 2 were, uhh &#8220;found.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crypto_randz:
MORE REALER!?! I can get the occasional spelling error, b/c these keyboards are not the least sensitive in the world, but COME ON!! Proposing unlikely theories is understandable, b/c it's human instinct, but you've got to watch for errors like THAT!

P.S. Reality cannot be gauged in amounts, but rather guessed at using probability.

kittenz:
Ooh, sweet! That's the same species name as the Jurassic pliosaur, Liopleurodon ferox!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crypto_randz:<br />
MORE REALER!?! I can get the occasional spelling error, b/c these keyboards are not the least sensitive in the world, but COME ON!! Proposing unlikely theories is understandable, b/c it&#8217;s human instinct, but you&#8217;ve got to watch for errors like THAT!</p>
<p>P.S. Reality cannot be gauged in amounts, but rather guessed at using probability.</p>
<p>kittenz:<br />
Ooh, sweet! That&#8217;s the same species name as the Jurassic pliosaur, Liopleurodon ferox!</p>
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		<title>By: youcantryreachingme</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/borneo-new/#comment-8997</link>
		<dc:creator>youcantryreachingme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kittenz - what excellent cat information! Thank you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kittenz - what excellent cat information! Thank you <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, all cats and all viverrids have eyeshine. Cats and viverrids such as genets are very closely related among the families of carnivores, and share many of the same traits. For instance, genets and some other viverrids even have a type of tabby coloring that is found in cats, and many also have retractible claws. Oh, and some species purr like cats too.

As a matter of fact, small genets have been kept as mousers for centuries in regions where they are native. Even the ancient Romans often kept genets as pets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, all cats and all viverrids have eyeshine. Cats and viverrids such as genets are very closely related among the families of carnivores, and share many of the same traits. For instance, genets and some other viverrids even have a type of tabby coloring that is found in cats, and many also have retractible claws. Oh, and some species purr like cats too.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, small genets have been kept as mousers for centuries in regions where they are native. Even the ancient Romans often kept genets as pets.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I think that it probably IS a creature entirely new to science, maybe a cat, maybe a viverrid. Since fossas are native only to Madagascar, I would not think it is of the same species as the fossa from Madagascar, Cryptoprocta ferox (gotta love that name, dontcha?). But I think it may be another viverrid of ancient lineage very like the fossa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I think that it probably IS a creature entirely new to science, maybe a cat, maybe a viverrid. Since fossas are native only to Madagascar, I would not think it is of the same species as the fossa from Madagascar, Cryptoprocta ferox (gotta love that name, dontcha?). But I think it may be another viverrid of ancient lineage very like the fossa.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the mystery animal might be a Bornean Bay Cat. But the more I look at it, the more I think "fossa".

Here is &lt;a href="http://panda.org/news_facts/newsroom/index.cfm?uNewsID=52960"&gt;a link&lt;/a&gt; to the WWF's page with the first photo above, plus another clear photo of the same animal from behind.

Fossas are considered by most to be viverrids, but until fairly recently they were thought to be a primitive member of the cat family. Certainly they must bear a very close resemblance to the animals that were the common ancestors of cats &#38; viverrids.

Here is &lt;a href="http://www.shoarns.com/AyeAye.html"&gt;a link to a page&lt;/a&gt; which shows fossas and other rare wildlife of Madagascar, which, like Borneo, is a huge island with unique fauna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the mystery animal might be a Bornean Bay Cat. But the more I look at it, the more I think &#8220;fossa&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://panda.org/news_facts/newsroom/index.cfm?uNewsID=52960">a link</a> to the WWF&#8217;s page with the first photo above, plus another clear photo of the same animal from behind.</p>
<p>Fossas are considered by most to be viverrids, but until fairly recently they were thought to be a primitive member of the cat family. Certainly they must bear a very close resemblance to the animals that were the common ancestors of cats &amp; viverrids.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://www.shoarns.com/AyeAye.html">a link to a page</a> which shows fossas and other rare wildlife of Madagascar, which, like Borneo, is a huge island with unique fauna.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/borneo-new/#comment-8993</link>
		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>youcantryreachingme,

If you check out the excellent reference book &lt;em&gt;Wild Cats of the World&lt;/em&gt; by Mel &#38; Fiona Sunquist, there is an outstanding article on the Bornean Bay Cat that has pictures much more like this mystery animal than the pictures that come up in, say, a Google search, including the first photo ever taken of one. It was a female that had been held captive by villagers, up to the point of near death, and although she was extremely emaciated and died soon after, she seems to be more representative of the species than some pictures I have seen. In fact, some of the pictures of "Bay Cats" are actually photos of Asian Golden Cats, which are related to the Bay Cat.

Here is &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/104-5724268-8182339?asin=0226779998&#38;pageID=S01S&#38;checkSum=i4ETIYNiUfF0cK08A6hS7Pqd43EDseoPUTJZJdbS5Os="&gt;a link&lt;/a&gt; to an excerpt from the book on Amazon.com.

The photo is also reproduced in color in one of the color plates sections of the book.

I strongly recommend this book to anyone who has an interest in cats. Much of the material covered is not readily available anywhere else, and it is fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>youcantryreachingme,</p>
<p>If you check out the excellent reference book <em>Wild Cats of the World</em> by Mel &amp; Fiona Sunquist, there is an outstanding article on the Bornean Bay Cat that has pictures much more like this mystery animal than the pictures that come up in, say, a Google search, including the first photo ever taken of one. It was a female that had been held captive by villagers, up to the point of near death, and although she was extremely emaciated and died soon after, she seems to be more representative of the species than some pictures I have seen. In fact, some of the pictures of &#8220;Bay Cats&#8221; are actually photos of Asian Golden Cats, which are related to the Bay Cat.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/104-5724268-8182339?asin=0226779998&amp;pageID=S01S&amp;checkSum=i4ETIYNiUfF0cK08A6hS7Pqd43EDseoPUTJZJdbS5Os=">a link</a> to an excerpt from the book on Amazon.com.</p>
<p>The photo is also reproduced in color in one of the color plates sections of the book.</p>
<p>I strongly recommend this book to anyone who has an interest in cats. Much of the material covered is not readily available anywhere else, and it is fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: youcantryreachingme</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bay Cat suggestion is interesting. (For one thing, I didn't know about this cat). Having found photos online, I think the tail of our mystery animal is not as fluffy - but that's in comparing one adult male Bay cat to our slightly-larger-than-a-domestic-cat cryptid.

However - it got me thinking further - how about eye-shine? Surely someone has thought about this? (Perhaps it was mentioned in the earlier thread?) Eye-shine is often a diagnostic feature of animals.

I did find &lt;a href="http://photos.wildmadagascar.org/images/Striped_Civet_0187.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;a striped civet photo showing eye-shine&lt;/a&gt; of nearly identical colour.

Searching for Hose's Palm Civet online, yields at least two actual photos (&lt;a href="http://dinets.travel.ru/hhosei.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;one of which&lt;/a&gt; shows the same eyeshine colour). My question is - if this is supposed to be extinct, then how come at least two people are publishing modern-day photos of it? The &lt;a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/bio3/kwells/Diplogale%2520hosei%2520Fig18.jpg&#38;imgrefurl=http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/bio3/kwells/picture%2520gallery.htm&#38;h=310&#38;w=400&#38;sz=83&#38;hl=en&#38;start=5&#38;tbnid=NYaK7VKpmZF3UM:&#38;tbnh=96&#38;tbnw=124&#38;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhose%2Bcivet%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-44,GGLG:en" rel="nofollow"&gt;second photo of Hose's Palm Civet&lt;/a&gt; is only available in Google's cache, however, and seems to be from the same series depicted here.

Even &lt;a href="http://sabahtravelguide.com/features/default.asp?page=wildlife" rel="nofollow"&gt;travel guides&lt;/a&gt; indicate likely locations for rare sightings of Hose's civet.

Lastly, I don't think the mystery animal is a Hose's Palm civet. Compare the two eye-shine photos in this article. Note the distance between the eyes in proportion to the distance between the ears. Our mystery animal has more widely spaced eyes (relative to the ears) than Hose's palm civet.

The mystery animal may be a new civet.

The &lt;a href="http://dinets.travel.ru/wildcats2.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bay Cat&lt;/a&gt; on this page also has eyes more closely set together than the mystery animal - although its colouration also does not match the mystery cryptid, nor other photos of Bay cats.

Fluffy tails and colouration might be accounted for by differences in individuals, but distance between eyes and ears I would expect to be consistent for mammals such as cats and civets.

I don't think this one matches either of those suggestions, but may be a new civet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bay Cat suggestion is interesting. (For one thing, I didn&#8217;t know about this cat). Having found photos online, I think the tail of our mystery animal is not as fluffy - but that&#8217;s in comparing one adult male Bay cat to our slightly-larger-than-a-domestic-cat cryptid.</p>
<p>However - it got me thinking further - how about eye-shine? Surely someone has thought about this? (Perhaps it was mentioned in the earlier thread?) Eye-shine is often a diagnostic feature of animals.</p>
<p>I did find <a href="http://photos.wildmadagascar.org/images/Striped_Civet_0187.shtml" rel="nofollow">a striped civet photo showing eye-shine</a> of nearly identical colour.</p>
<p>Searching for Hose&#8217;s Palm Civet online, yields at least two actual photos (<a href="http://dinets.travel.ru/hhosei.jpg" rel="nofollow">one of which</a> shows the same eyeshine colour). My question is - if this is supposed to be extinct, then how come at least two people are publishing modern-day photos of it? The <a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/bio3/kwells/Diplogale%2520hosei%2520Fig18.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/bio3/kwells/picture%2520gallery.htm&amp;h=310&amp;w=400&amp;sz=83&amp;hl=en&amp;start=5&amp;tbnid=NYaK7VKpmZF3UM:&amp;tbnh=96&amp;tbnw=124&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhose%2Bcivet%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-44,GGLG:en" rel="nofollow">second photo of Hose&#8217;s Palm Civet</a> is only available in Google&#8217;s cache, however, and seems to be from the same series depicted here.</p>
<p>Even <a href="http://sabahtravelguide.com/features/default.asp?page=wildlife" rel="nofollow">travel guides</a> indicate likely locations for rare sightings of Hose&#8217;s civet.</p>
<p>Lastly, I don&#8217;t think the mystery animal is a Hose&#8217;s Palm civet. Compare the two eye-shine photos in this article. Note the distance between the eyes in proportion to the distance between the ears. Our mystery animal has more widely spaced eyes (relative to the ears) than Hose&#8217;s palm civet.</p>
<p>The mystery animal may be a new civet.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://dinets.travel.ru/wildcats2.htm" rel="nofollow">Bay Cat</a> on this page also has eyes more closely set together than the mystery animal - although its colouration also does not match the mystery cryptid, nor other photos of Bay cats.</p>
<p>Fluffy tails and colouration might be accounted for by differences in individuals, but distance between eyes and ears I would expect to be consistent for mammals such as cats and civets.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this one matches either of those suggestions, but may be a new civet.</p>
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		<title>By: Giant_Catfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye, Lads! It's a Civet if I've ever seen one.</description>
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