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		<title>By: cliffhanger042002</title>
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		<dc:creator>cliffhanger042002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mystery_man - I agree with that 100%, maybe next time around we'll get a report with all the fixins, lol, then we'll really have a debate on our hands. More evidence, more to debate!!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mystery_man - I agree with that 100%, maybe next time around we&#8217;ll get a report with all the fixins, lol, then we&#8217;ll really have a debate on our hands. More evidence, more to debate!!</p>
<p>cliff</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/black-sasq2/#comment-47281</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, DWA. Yeah, I was wondering where you had gotten off too. Hope the water didn't get the best of you there. :) Good to see that you are being a good sport about this whole debate too. You know I agree with you that many of these reports bear follow up. I also agree that some inconsistencies are forgivable if other aspects of the report are solid and compelling.

cliffhanger- I also get a little frustrated when sightings don't turn up any physical evidence. However, I can understand how the circumstances might prevent that. I know if I saw an "8.5" foot tall sasquatch (or even if I just thought I did, as the case may be), I wouldn't be too keen on getting out of the car and snooping around. Then again, these two claim they stopped to ask the ones behind them if they had seen the same thing, so it does seem a bit odd that they wouldn't think to go look for physical evidence. Maybe in all of the excitement, it slipped their minds or they just didn't think it was important to do so.

Anyway, I do appreciate it when sightings reports turn up physical evidence of some kind to corroborate them. It does lend a bit more credence to them than a report that exists in a vacuum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, DWA. Yeah, I was wondering where you had gotten off too. Hope the water didn&#8217;t get the best of you there. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Good to see that you are being a good sport about this whole debate too. You know I agree with you that many of these reports bear follow up. I also agree that some inconsistencies are forgivable if other aspects of the report are solid and compelling.</p>
<p>cliffhanger- I also get a little frustrated when sightings don&#8217;t turn up any physical evidence. However, I can understand how the circumstances might prevent that. I know if I saw an &#8220;8.5&#8243; foot tall sasquatch (or even if I just thought I did, as the case may be), I wouldn&#8217;t be too keen on getting out of the car and snooping around. Then again, these two claim they stopped to ask the ones behind them if they had seen the same thing, so it does seem a bit odd that they wouldn&#8217;t think to go look for physical evidence. Maybe in all of the excitement, it slipped their minds or they just didn&#8217;t think it was important to do so.</p>
<p>Anyway, I do appreciate it when sightings reports turn up physical evidence of some kind to corroborate them. It does lend a bit more credence to them than a report that exists in a vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: cliffhanger042002</title>
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		<dc:creator>cliffhanger042002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, one thing about the distance is that is really didn't have to be a guess at all. Since they were in their vehicle, with an odometer and likely a "trip meter" they could have set the trip meter or taken an odometer reading at the spot of the sighting then another at the sas road crossing...However I do realize that probably didn't seem important at the time with all the excitment, and I think it's safe to assume they didn't do that or we would have gotten the distance in 10ths of a mile rather than metric. And I would have been much less critical about the height had they given a known physical reference, road sign for example, near the sas used to approximate the height....Well, it would have been nice anyway, but so would a picture, so just beating a dead horse here...

But glad to hear someone got to get out and enjoy the weekend, and the purification must have worked since your up to posting DWA, no disentary lol.....

cliff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, one thing about the distance is that is really didn&#8217;t have to be a guess at all. Since they were in their vehicle, with an odometer and likely a &#8220;trip meter&#8221; they could have set the trip meter or taken an odometer reading at the spot of the sighting then another at the sas road crossing&#8230;However I do realize that probably didn&#8217;t seem important at the time with all the excitment, and I think it&#8217;s safe to assume they didn&#8217;t do that or we would have gotten the distance in 10ths of a mile rather than metric. And I would have been much less critical about the height had they given a known physical reference, road sign for example, near the sas used to approximate the height&#8230;.Well, it would have been nice anyway, but so would a picture, so just beating a dead horse here&#8230;</p>
<p>But glad to hear someone got to get out and enjoy the weekend, and the purification must have worked since your up to posting DWA, no disentary lol&#8230;..</p>
<p>cliff</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/black-sasq2/#comment-47275</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa.  This sounds nice around here now!  Much better.

(I just got back from a backpacking trip.  Really awful water, and the necessity to drink same, were involved.  A mood lifter is a good thing.  At least now I'll find out whether my water puro techniques work.)

My apologies too.  I just think that people who've seen something that might exist...well, they might have seen it, and their stories need to be considered in their entirety, and followed up when they sound like, well, this person might have seen this.  When folks don't follow up with detailed questioning of every aspect of a witness's story, research into the matter suffers.  I get a bit impatient when I see that happening, and I think it happens too often.  And yeah, I'm not a nice guy then.  Sorry for that.  

If the distance matter seems off, I'd want to find out why the witness came up with the estimate.  When we do the "nobody complains when it's a deer," it's by way of pointing out how insignificant the detail is IF OTHER ASPECTS OF THE REPORT ARE COMPELLING, as a number of the aspects of this one seem to be.  To me, that estimate is something I'd want to talk about.  But I can forgive a bad estimate if other aspects of the story hold together.

Really, though, it's just another report unless it's followed up.  As are they all.

And cliff works for me.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa.  This sounds nice around here now!  Much better.</p>
<p>(I just got back from a backpacking trip.  Really awful water, and the necessity to drink same, were involved.  A mood lifter is a good thing.  At least now I&#8217;ll find out whether my water puro techniques work.)</p>
<p>My apologies too.  I just think that people who&#8217;ve seen something that might exist&#8230;well, they might have seen it, and their stories need to be considered in their entirety, and followed up when they sound like, well, this person might have seen this.  When folks don&#8217;t follow up with detailed questioning of every aspect of a witness&#8217;s story, research into the matter suffers.  I get a bit impatient when I see that happening, and I think it happens too often.  And yeah, I&#8217;m not a nice guy then.  Sorry for that.  </p>
<p>If the distance matter seems off, I&#8217;d want to find out why the witness came up with the estimate.  When we do the &#8220;nobody complains when it&#8217;s a deer,&#8221; it&#8217;s by way of pointing out how insignificant the detail is IF OTHER ASPECTS OF THE REPORT ARE COMPELLING, as a number of the aspects of this one seem to be.  To me, that estimate is something I&#8217;d want to talk about.  But I can forgive a bad estimate if other aspects of the story hold together.</p>
<p>Really, though, it&#8217;s just another report unless it&#8217;s followed up.  As are they all.</p>
<p>And cliff works for me.  <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: cliffhanger042002</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been nice to also have the witnesses stop at the location and look for signs that might have been left behind by the reported sas. Some footprints, hair, etc. or a reason why they didn't stop to check it out. Maybe they were afraid the sas would double back to give them a nice Jack Link's style beatdown? I would guess fear would be the reason they didn't report having went to location of the sighting and checking the side of the road. I'm not familiar with that particular area, but usually on rural roads running through wooded areas you'll find that off the edge of pavement you'll have about 4-6 feet of soft, dirt shoulder, and then a v-ditch or flatbottom drt, sod ditch for drainage that is usually fairly soft unless they haven't had much rain in the past. And if there was rain you would have a soft area that would be fairly free of debris, having been washed clean by stormwater drainage. But that's just speculation on my part, not being familiar with the area, but around here that is a typical roadway section in wooded areas, especially if a state DOT or county maintained road. I would just expect a sighting like that to yield some physical evidence, but there is of course the "too scared to stop and check" explanation.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been nice to also have the witnesses stop at the location and look for signs that might have been left behind by the reported sas. Some footprints, hair, etc. or a reason why they didn&#8217;t stop to check it out. Maybe they were afraid the sas would double back to give them a nice Jack Link&#8217;s style beatdown? I would guess fear would be the reason they didn&#8217;t report having went to location of the sighting and checking the side of the road. I&#8217;m not familiar with that particular area, but usually on rural roads running through wooded areas you&#8217;ll find that off the edge of pavement you&#8217;ll have about 4-6 feet of soft, dirt shoulder, and then a v-ditch or flatbottom drt, sod ditch for drainage that is usually fairly soft unless they haven&#8217;t had much rain in the past. And if there was rain you would have a soft area that would be fairly free of debris, having been washed clean by stormwater drainage. But that&#8217;s just speculation on my part, not being familiar with the area, but around here that is a typical roadway section in wooded areas, especially if a state DOT or county maintained road. I would just expect a sighting like that to yield some physical evidence, but there is of course the &#8220;too scared to stop and check&#8221; explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamarack</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/black-sasq2/#comment-47247</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamarack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this couple has been so willing to put the information out there as well as their names and picture, the first thing I would like to see done after reading this report is to have someone go with them to the location and actually measure the distance.  People mis judge distance all the time. 

Hunters are particularly prone to talk about a 300 yard shot that dropped an elk in one shot, but when the story gets checked out it is found that it was more like 125 yards, which is still a good shot. 

Aren't there at least some BF enthusiasts near there that could do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this couple has been so willing to put the information out there as well as their names and picture, the first thing I would like to see done after reading this report is to have someone go with them to the location and actually measure the distance.  People mis judge distance all the time. </p>
<p>Hunters are particularly prone to talk about a 300 yard shot that dropped an elk in one shot, but when the story gets checked out it is found that it was more like 125 yards, which is still a good shot. </p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t there at least some BF enthusiasts near there that could do this?</p>
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		<title>By: cliffhanger042002</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/black-sasq2/#comment-47246</link>
		<dc:creator>cliffhanger042002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mystery_man - Thanks for the post and support, some kind words at this point are refreshing, lol. Looks like Loren has been busy since my last visit so I'm gonna check out the other threads since there's no new info on this one yet.

DWA - you can just call me cliff, that's even shorter than "cliffie" and at my age just sounds too juvenile, lol. But anyway, no hard feelings.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mystery_man - Thanks for the post and support, some kind words at this point are refreshing, lol. Looks like Loren has been busy since my last visit so I&#8217;m gonna check out the other threads since there&#8217;s no new info on this one yet.</p>
<p>DWA - you can just call me cliff, that&#8217;s even shorter than &#8220;cliffie&#8221; and at my age just sounds too juvenile, lol. But anyway, no hard feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: gavinf</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/black-sasq2/#comment-47238</link>
		<dc:creator>gavinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sighting, for whatever reason, has led to one of the more spirited debates in a while.  

I for one was glad to see it.  It sharpens our minds to really look at all angles.  

As for arguing, well, all's well that ends well.

That's why this site rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sighting, for whatever reason, has led to one of the more spirited debates in a while.  </p>
<p>I for one was glad to see it.  It sharpens our minds to really look at all angles.  </p>
<p>As for arguing, well, all&#8217;s well that ends well.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why this site rocks!</p>
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		<title>By: archer1945</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/black-sasq2/#comment-47219</link>
		<dc:creator>archer1945</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always easy to tell when people are city-slickers and don't spend a great deal of time in the wilds or, if they do, only hunt in a relatively small area. 

Let's see. This report is by people who have been involved in the hunting industry for over 20 years and very easily could be hunters themselves. If not hunters then they probably have done some guiding since they do own several hunting camps. This was in New Brunswick. I do believe they have a sizable moose population. If I remember correctly a full-grown bull moose stands close to 6' tall at the shoulder, maybe a bit more, and a cow just slightly less. Anybody who has spent a great amount of time hunting learns various tricks to estimate distances, after-all eyes and brains were around long before rangefinders. Not only would they have a pretty good idea of how big a moose looks at various distances they also had the experience gained from hunting bears and probably can judge sizes from that knowledge also.

A person with relatively good eye sight is going to easily be able to identify shapes at anything up to at least 400 meters, especially if it is moving. At 250 meters, which is probably an approximation, it is certainly going to be possible to tell if a moving object is a moose, man or bear; btw, while bears can walk on their hind legs about the only time they do in the wild is when they assume a threat posture, it is only in circuses where they spend much time erect. Which means that if something crosses the road in front of you in a normal bipedal walk it is almost certainly NOT a bear. It also is not a moose because they have four legs which are always on the ground. If it is bipedal and looks as if it is about as tall as a bull moose's antlers then it is either a very lost NBA basketball player or something else. 

Btw, one quick way to judge height is by judging the length of one's stride. If you know the road is about 35' wide and what you are watching crosses it in only 4 or five strides you can figure it is one very tall being. The normal walking stride of an average 6' tall man is right in the neighborhood of 3' - 3.5' which means it would take something in the area of 10 strides to cover 35'. Now since they said this figure crossed the road in 3 or 4 steps with its arms swinging like a person walking, obviously it was not running, that means it had to be, at the very least, 7' tall and probably much taller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always easy to tell when people are city-slickers and don&#8217;t spend a great deal of time in the wilds or, if they do, only hunt in a relatively small area. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see. This report is by people who have been involved in the hunting industry for over 20 years and very easily could be hunters themselves. If not hunters then they probably have done some guiding since they do own several hunting camps. This was in New Brunswick. I do believe they have a sizable moose population. If I remember correctly a full-grown bull moose stands close to 6&#8242; tall at the shoulder, maybe a bit more, and a cow just slightly less. Anybody who has spent a great amount of time hunting learns various tricks to estimate distances, after-all eyes and brains were around long before rangefinders. Not only would they have a pretty good idea of how big a moose looks at various distances they also had the experience gained from hunting bears and probably can judge sizes from that knowledge also.</p>
<p>A person with relatively good eye sight is going to easily be able to identify shapes at anything up to at least 400 meters, especially if it is moving. At 250 meters, which is probably an approximation, it is certainly going to be possible to tell if a moving object is a moose, man or bear; btw, while bears can walk on their hind legs about the only time they do in the wild is when they assume a threat posture, it is only in circuses where they spend much time erect. Which means that if something crosses the road in front of you in a normal bipedal walk it is almost certainly NOT a bear. It also is not a moose because they have four legs which are always on the ground. If it is bipedal and looks as if it is about as tall as a bull moose&#8217;s antlers then it is either a very lost NBA basketball player or something else. </p>
<p>Btw, one quick way to judge height is by judging the length of one&#8217;s stride. If you know the road is about 35&#8242; wide and what you are watching crosses it in only 4 or five strides you can figure it is one very tall being. The normal walking stride of an average 6&#8242; tall man is right in the neighborhood of 3&#8242; - 3.5&#8242; which means it would take something in the area of 10 strides to cover 35&#8242;. Now since they said this figure crossed the road in 3 or 4 steps with its arms swinging like a person walking, obviously it was not running, that means it had to be, at the very least, 7&#8242; tall and probably much taller.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliffhanger- I like your way of thinking too. Your stance on the sasquatch phenomenon is pretty much exactly the same as my own. I also think your height statements were very relevant and rational, and I'm not sure why they got jumped on so readily. I guess tensions can run high on this subject at times, and things can get blown out of proportion a bit. We occasionally lock antlers around here, but usually it is in useful debate, with a shared desire to get to the truth. Attacks and insults most definitely detract from that goal, and it disappoints me when that happens here. I'm happy that you are able to apologize for that, I just hope you don't feel that you have to apologize for your opinions. They are solid as far as I'm concerned. Another thing I can sympathize with is your sharing of your background. I also sometimes share my own scientific experience and background here and maybe that can be misconstrued as acting "high and mighty", so I totally understand your sentiments on that. I never mean it to sound like that, nor am I trying to play an expert card. 

Anyway, I think it is very big of you to be able to say that you can bury the hatchet, and thank you for expressing your feelings on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliffhanger- I like your way of thinking too. Your stance on the sasquatch phenomenon is pretty much exactly the same as my own. I also think your height statements were very relevant and rational, and I&#8217;m not sure why they got jumped on so readily. I guess tensions can run high on this subject at times, and things can get blown out of proportion a bit. We occasionally lock antlers around here, but usually it is in useful debate, with a shared desire to get to the truth. Attacks and insults most definitely detract from that goal, and it disappoints me when that happens here. I&#8217;m happy that you are able to apologize for that, I just hope you don&#8217;t feel that you have to apologize for your opinions. They are solid as far as I&#8217;m concerned. Another thing I can sympathize with is your sharing of your background. I also sometimes share my own scientific experience and background here and maybe that can be misconstrued as acting &#8220;high and mighty&#8221;, so I totally understand your sentiments on that. I never mean it to sound like that, nor am I trying to play an expert card. </p>
<p>Anyway, I think it is very big of you to be able to say that you can bury the hatchet, and thank you for expressing your feelings on the matter.</p>
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