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	<title>Comments on: Discovering The Bili Ape</title>
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		<title>By: snake</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32968</link>
		<dc:creator>snake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Bili Apes' large nests and other traces of their activities are discovered, it's safe to deduce that they have been living there.  When evidence of Big Foots' existence have been discovered for many years, still people do not believe in the existence of Big Foot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Bili Apes&#8217; large nests and other traces of their activities are discovered, it&#8217;s safe to deduce that they have been living there.  When evidence of Big Foots&#8217; existence have been discovered for many years, still people do not believe in the existence of Big Foot.</p>
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		<title>By: things-in-the-woods</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32967</link>
		<dc:creator>things-in-the-woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dr GAlen- this really isn't breaking news..

but i agree with evryone else, it is very exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dr GAlen- this really isn&#8217;t breaking news..</p>
<p>but i agree with evryone else, it is very exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: LiberalDem</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32966</link>
		<dc:creator>LiberalDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the URL! Those guys are REALLY big! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the URL! Those guys are REALLY big! <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gannon</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32965</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These do appear to be much larger than other chimps.  Aside from the sheer size of the foot cast that Dr. Shelly Williams is holding (at the beginning of this blog entry, above,) see this photo, of one of the Bili apes that hunters (quite sadly) shot:

http://karlammann.com/bili13.php

That is just HUGE for a chimp.

There are some more photos at Karl Ammann's site, and additional photos can be found with a Google image search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These do appear to be much larger than other chimps.  Aside from the sheer size of the foot cast that Dr. Shelly Williams is holding (at the beginning of this blog entry, above,) see this photo, of one of the Bili apes that hunters (quite sadly) shot:</p>
<p><a href="http://karlammann.com/bili13.php" rel="nofollow">http://karlammann.com/bili13.php</a></p>
<p>That is just HUGE for a chimp.</p>
<p>There are some more photos at Karl Ammann&#8217;s site, and additional photos can be found with a Google image search.</p>
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		<title>By: LiberalDem</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32964</link>
		<dc:creator>LiberalDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Are there any pictures available? It'd be nice to see what these guys actually look like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Are there any pictures available? It&#8217;d be nice to see what these guys actually look like.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32963</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very interested in the Bili ape story, and have followed it for some time now. One thing that I think people should avoid doing, however, is taking the native claims of what these creatures can do at face value. In many cultures, mundane animals are often attributed with bizarre powers or abilities, sometimes to the point that if you didn't know it was a real animal, you'd think it was pure myth. I think there will need to me more investigation and verification before we start assuming that these apes can kill lions, catch fish, or howl at the moon.

The lion killing stories for example can be explained by other possibilities. Maybe some natives found these apes at a corpse of a lion that had already died, this could explain the ape with the leopard too. Someone might see this and put two and two together and think the ape killed it when in fact that may not be the case, and this could snowball into a myth. Perhaps the reason why they do not fall prey to predators is due to impressive defensive displays. All they have do is frighten away the predators, and not necessarily do battle with them. I actually feel that aggressiveness to the point of attacking or hunting such large, potentially dangerous predators would be very odd for even a large species of primate. Most animals will typically avoid fighting with other creatures that can potentially seriously hurt them unless it is absolutely necessary, such as protecting young or over food, as even a minor wound can become life threatening in the wild. Fighting large animals is just not a good survival technique. It doesn't make sense that an ape would actively pursue large, dangerous predators when so much risk is involved. I think that even if these apes do kill large predators, it was probably a last resort after their defensive bluff failed.

There are explanations for the alleged fish catching and howling at the moon too. All of these abilities may very well be real, but I feel we should wait for more evidence along these lines before we accept them as actual behaviors exhibited by this animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very interested in the Bili ape story, and have followed it for some time now. One thing that I think people should avoid doing, however, is taking the native claims of what these creatures can do at face value. In many cultures, mundane animals are often attributed with bizarre powers or abilities, sometimes to the point that if you didn&#8217;t know it was a real animal, you&#8217;d think it was pure myth. I think there will need to me more investigation and verification before we start assuming that these apes can kill lions, catch fish, or howl at the moon.</p>
<p>The lion killing stories for example can be explained by other possibilities. Maybe some natives found these apes at a corpse of a lion that had already died, this could explain the ape with the leopard too. Someone might see this and put two and two together and think the ape killed it when in fact that may not be the case, and this could snowball into a myth. Perhaps the reason why they do not fall prey to predators is due to impressive defensive displays. All they have do is frighten away the predators, and not necessarily do battle with them. I actually feel that aggressiveness to the point of attacking or hunting such large, potentially dangerous predators would be very odd for even a large species of primate. Most animals will typically avoid fighting with other creatures that can potentially seriously hurt them unless it is absolutely necessary, such as protecting young or over food, as even a minor wound can become life threatening in the wild. Fighting large animals is just not a good survival technique. It doesn&#8217;t make sense that an ape would actively pursue large, dangerous predators when so much risk is involved. I think that even if these apes do kill large predators, it was probably a last resort after their defensive bluff failed.</p>
<p>There are explanations for the alleged fish catching and howling at the moon too. All of these abilities may very well be real, but I feel we should wait for more evidence along these lines before we accept them as actual behaviors exhibited by this animal.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32962</link>
		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The description of these ape's behavior makes it very tempting for me to revisit Edgar Rice Bourroughs' original Tarzan novels, which, unlike the movies, are populated by the anthropoid apes which play such a crucial role. I can remember as a young reader fantasizing about an undiscovered species that did in fact reflect the presumably ficticious creations of ERB..maybe some of those old stories upon which the Tarzan tales were thought to be based were in fact closer to the truth than anyone would have guessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The description of these ape&#8217;s behavior makes it very tempting for me to revisit Edgar Rice Bourroughs&#8217; original Tarzan novels, which, unlike the movies, are populated by the anthropoid apes which play such a crucial role. I can remember as a young reader fantasizing about an undiscovered species that did in fact reflect the presumably ficticious creations of ERB..maybe some of those old stories upon which the Tarzan tales were thought to be based were in fact closer to the truth than anyone would have guessed.</p>
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		<title>By: crypto-steve</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32961</link>
		<dc:creator>crypto-steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am extremely excited about this discovery. Sure, it's not a yeti, but it shows that there are still some surprises left in the world of nature. I think one of the main points to take away from this article is found in the following sentence:
&lt;blockquote&gt;"...Mr Hicks used local knowledge to get closer to them and photograph them."&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Local cultures always know far more about their environment than what we, as outsiders, will ever know. Cryptids are only unknown to us, not to them. Unfortunately, we tend to think of people who live in remote places as being primitive themselves and believe their stories to be full of exaggerations and superstitions. Nothing could be farther from the truth. These are intelligent people who know all about the animals that they may encounter in their lives. For them, it is about survival. I can't help but wonder what incredible animals would be known to us if more biologists and anthropologists would just listen to what native peoples have to tell us.

On that note, I wouldn't be surprised if these new chimps did occasionally howl at the moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am extremely excited about this discovery. Sure, it&#8217;s not a yeti, but it shows that there are still some surprises left in the world of nature. I think one of the main points to take away from this article is found in the following sentence:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;Mr Hicks used local knowledge to get closer to them and photograph them.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Local cultures always know far more about their environment than what we, as outsiders, will ever know. Cryptids are only unknown to us, not to them. Unfortunately, we tend to think of people who live in remote places as being primitive themselves and believe their stories to be full of exaggerations and superstitions. Nothing could be farther from the truth. These are intelligent people who know all about the animals that they may encounter in their lives. For them, it is about survival. I can&#8217;t help but wonder what incredible animals would be known to us if more biologists and anthropologists would just listen to what native peoples have to tell us.</p>
<p>On that note, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if these new chimps did occasionally howl at the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Galen</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32960</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Galen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing "breaking" and little "just released" here.  This was all reported in Hicks presentation in Uganda a year ago and subsequently in New Scientist, Discover, and other outlets.

There is zero evidence of lion-killing and nothing yet documenting they are any bigger than chimps in other populations.

This story continues to be improperly sensationalized when it should focus on the need for conservation- as Amman has pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing &#8220;breaking&#8221; and little &#8220;just released&#8221; here.  This was all reported in Hicks presentation in Uganda a year ago and subsequently in New Scientist, Discover, and other outlets.</p>
<p>There is zero evidence of lion-killing and nothing yet documenting they are any bigger than chimps in other populations.</p>
<p>This story continues to be improperly sensationalized when it should focus on the need for conservation- as Amman has pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharmz</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bili-07/#comment-32958</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How big are those chimps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How big are those chimps?</p>
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