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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2799</link>
		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 01:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it truly is best for all SERIOUS CZ organizations (i.e. Cryptomundo, BFRO, and the small, SC only, CICZ to name a few) to work together. I, as the head of CICZ (CryptoInformant Cryptozoology) DO NOT advise taking popshots at Matt Moneymaker's last name, and, in response to their 2 comments about CM, and allies of CM, I give one big shout of "SONOMA: THE DAY BFRO GOT SUCKERED!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it truly is best for all SERIOUS CZ organizations (i.e. Cryptomundo, BFRO, and the small, SC only, CICZ to name a few) to work together. I, as the head of CICZ (CryptoInformant Cryptozoology) DO NOT advise taking popshots at Matt Moneymaker&#8217;s last name, and, in response to their 2 comments about CM, and allies of CM, I give one big shout of &#8220;SONOMA: THE DAY BFRO GOT SUCKERED!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kidquid</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2798</link>
		<dc:creator>kidquid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 01:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is weird. Yesterday, I went to look at the original BFRO commentary and there were some changes to it, most pointedly "5 pulp cryptozoology bloggers" was replaced with "5 Loren Colemans", in case anyone missed their point I guess. No one mentioned the change here, so I just went back to look again and now their entire commentary has been removed!

At this point I am with fuzzy, above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is weird. Yesterday, I went to look at the original BFRO commentary and there were some changes to it, most pointedly &#8220;5 pulp cryptozoology bloggers&#8221; was replaced with &#8220;5 Loren Colemans&#8221;, in case anyone missed their point I guess. No one mentioned the change here, so I just went back to look again and now their entire commentary has been removed!</p>
<p>At this point I am with fuzzy, above.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzy</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2797</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 13:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough already!

Spring has sprung ~ let's all put on our boots and cammies, grab our lights and cameras and get out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough already!</p>
<p>Spring has sprung ~ let&#8217;s all put on our boots and cammies, grab our lights and cameras and get out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Mausinn</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator>Mausinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 12:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen to me Shawshank, I am saying this for your own good, so PLEASE LISTEN.


DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID ! ! !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen to me Shawshank, I am saying this for your own good, so PLEASE LISTEN.</p>
<p>DON&#8217;T DRINK THE KOOL-AID ! ! !</p>
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		<title>By: youcantryreachingme</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2795</link>
		<dc:creator>youcantryreachingme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 05:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone keeps saying that Chow must be withholding the images (forgetting for a moment he doesn't hold copyright) because to release them would damage book sales.

What?

When the book comes out I'll be able to leaf through it, see all 14 photos and still decide not to spend a cent if I want to.

To the contrary - if financial gain &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; the prime concern, then &lt;i&gt;surely&lt;/i&gt;, releasing a single image would be the &lt;i&gt;best&lt;/i&gt; thing for book sales!! It would give the market a few months to salivate in anticipation (and maybe lodge a pre-order or two)!

Let me ask this: based on what you currently know today of the situation, are you booking plane tickets to, and accommodation in, Malaysia? No.

Once this book is published, do you think there will be all manner of scientists and film crews interested in booking plane tickets to, and accommodation in, Malaysia? Yes.

I would like to think that a team who claims to have spent 11 years working with the species are actually attempting to ensure some manner of protection for it - preferrably legal - before revealing its presence to the world.

And if it's all a hoax? Well it's been an entertaining discussion! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone keeps saying that Chow must be withholding the images (forgetting for a moment he doesn&#8217;t hold copyright) because to release them would damage book sales.</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>When the book comes out I&#8217;ll be able to leaf through it, see all 14 photos and still decide not to spend a cent if I want to.</p>
<p>To the contrary - if financial gain <i>was</i> the prime concern, then <i>surely</i>, releasing a single image would be the <i>best</i> thing for book sales!! It would give the market a few months to salivate in anticipation (and maybe lodge a pre-order or two)!</p>
<p>Let me ask this: based on what you currently know today of the situation, are you booking plane tickets to, and accommodation in, Malaysia? No.</p>
<p>Once this book is published, do you think there will be all manner of scientists and film crews interested in booking plane tickets to, and accommodation in, Malaysia? Yes.</p>
<p>I would like to think that a team who claims to have spent 11 years working with the species are actually attempting to ensure some manner of protection for it - preferrably legal - before revealing its presence to the world.</p>
<p>And if it&#8217;s all a hoax? Well it&#8217;s been an entertaining discussion! <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt K.</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2794</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 00:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawshank's Redemption (pun intended) on behalf of Matt Moneymaker does nothing more than substantiate the "other sides" argument.

Examples: "Taking pot-shots at him and the organization misses this crucial point entirely. (And by the way, making fun of the man based on his name is sophomoric and off the mark;"

So name calling is ok when not directed at someone's own name?

"Having attended many expeditions now under his steady leadership, I can say that the BFRO is a robust and innovative organization, by far the most comprehensive source of information on the topic."

I would have to call this a "biased opinion." Have you studied and interviewed every source of information on Bigfoot to come to this conclusion, or does the money you were charged to attend expeditions validate this conclusion?

"Any one of the monthly expeditions contains a greater number of excited, engaged, discriminating researchers (both veteran and beginner) than the total of all those who have a personal axe to grind with the organization, especially those who have been removed from the BFRO (including, with all due respect, Mr. Coleman), for various good reasons."

Do you know any of these "good reasons"? How do you know what field researchers do what? How do you know who in the research community knows more than anyone else on the subject? Do you know any field researchers outside of the BFRO personally? Have you been on multiple research outings with anyone other than the BFRO?

"He spends more time doing actual field work, learning concrete lessons about sasquatch habitat and behavior, than any other researcher in the world."

Any other researcher in the world? You're joking right? I truely hope your initial post was meant to be taken with sarcasm, because otherwise you should nominate yourself as the BFRO poster child for brainwashing and naivety. The main problem I see as an outsider, with no direct relation to the BFRO or Matt Moneymaker, is that the powers that be at the BFRO have a problem with anyone who thinks or forms opinions for themselves. Anyone within the BFRO who has ever dared question any of their motives or ways of thinking has been immediately removed by Matt Moneymaker.

Several years ago when I first joined the "internet Bigfoot community" I contacted the BFRO about the possibility of being a part of their expeditions. The only questions asked of me were do I have any money to contribute or do I have any equipment I could let them use. Otherwise they had no need for me, even when they were having an expedition in my own home state. That pretty much told me what they were about right away.

In conclusion, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the point of this original blog to discuss the blatant attacks on Cryptomundo in the un-signed editorial of the BFRO? This isn't about the photographs or the book. That can be found in a different blog entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawshank&#8217;s Redemption (pun intended) on behalf of Matt Moneymaker does nothing more than substantiate the &#8220;other sides&#8221; argument.</p>
<p>Examples: &#8220;Taking pot-shots at him and the organization misses this crucial point entirely. (And by the way, making fun of the man based on his name is sophomoric and off the mark;&#8221;</p>
<p>So name calling is ok when not directed at someone&#8217;s own name?</p>
<p>&#8220;Having attended many expeditions now under his steady leadership, I can say that the BFRO is a robust and innovative organization, by far the most comprehensive source of information on the topic.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would have to call this a &#8220;biased opinion.&#8221; Have you studied and interviewed every source of information on Bigfoot to come to this conclusion, or does the money you were charged to attend expeditions validate this conclusion?</p>
<p>&#8220;Any one of the monthly expeditions contains a greater number of excited, engaged, discriminating researchers (both veteran and beginner) than the total of all those who have a personal axe to grind with the organization, especially those who have been removed from the BFRO (including, with all due respect, Mr. Coleman), for various good reasons.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you know any of these &#8220;good reasons&#8221;? How do you know what field researchers do what? How do you know who in the research community knows more than anyone else on the subject? Do you know any field researchers outside of the BFRO personally? Have you been on multiple research outings with anyone other than the BFRO?</p>
<p>&#8220;He spends more time doing actual field work, learning concrete lessons about sasquatch habitat and behavior, than any other researcher in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any other researcher in the world? You&#8217;re joking right? I truely hope your initial post was meant to be taken with sarcasm, because otherwise you should nominate yourself as the BFRO poster child for brainwashing and naivety. The main problem I see as an outsider, with no direct relation to the BFRO or Matt Moneymaker, is that the powers that be at the BFRO have a problem with anyone who thinks or forms opinions for themselves. Anyone within the BFRO who has ever dared question any of their motives or ways of thinking has been immediately removed by Matt Moneymaker.</p>
<p>Several years ago when I first joined the &#8220;internet Bigfoot community&#8221; I contacted the BFRO about the possibility of being a part of their expeditions. The only questions asked of me were do I have any money to contribute or do I have any equipment I could let them use. Otherwise they had no need for me, even when they were having an expedition in my own home state. That pretty much told me what they were about right away.</p>
<p>In conclusion, someone correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but wasn&#8217;t the point of this original blog to discuss the blatant attacks on Cryptomundo in the un-signed editorial of the BFRO? This isn&#8217;t about the photographs or the book. That can be found in a different blog entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Mausinn</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2793</link>
		<dc:creator>Mausinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 00:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Shawshank, I can see your position with the BFRO/MM machine has probably risen a few notches with your brave and heroic stance defending them.  Kudos to you for standing up for your beliefs, right or wrong.  Hold those thoughts and that stance like a candle against the hurricane.  There will be a nice little something in your pay packet I'm sure.  Oh, that's right, the only one who gets any profits from all your and all the other "volunteers" work is Mr. Matt.  Yep, I can see the purely scientific objectivity of the BFRO now.  How silly of me to critisize St. Moneymaker.  I will look forward to Shawshank's Redemption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Shawshank, I can see your position with the BFRO/MM machine has probably risen a few notches with your brave and heroic stance defending them.  Kudos to you for standing up for your beliefs, right or wrong.  Hold those thoughts and that stance like a candle against the hurricane.  There will be a nice little something in your pay packet I&#8217;m sure.  Oh, that&#8217;s right, the only one who gets any profits from all your and all the other &#8220;volunteers&#8221; work is Mr. Matt.  Yep, I can see the purely scientific objectivity of the BFRO now.  How silly of me to critisize St. Moneymaker.  I will look forward to Shawshank&#8217;s Redemption.</p>
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		<title>By: aaha</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2792</link>
		<dc:creator>aaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 21:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gulp that Kool-Aid "Shawshank"......

"Look for some remarkable fruits of these labors in the coming months"

Can you elaborate on that?



Oh spare me please.  Biscardi just gained credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gulp that Kool-Aid &#8220;Shawshank&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Look for some remarkable fruits of these labors in the coming months&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you elaborate on that?</p>
<p>Oh spare me please.  Biscardi just gained credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bfrowarcm/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 20:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawshank, please check back in, in the future, after you experience the same fellow that those who have left BFRO in the last few months (including Kathy Moskowitz Strain anthropologist, Alton Higgins, biologist, Chris Whittier, primate specialist, Jeff Meldrum, Jimmy Chilcutt, Rick Noll, etc.) or years ago, (e.g. Ron Schaffner, Bobbie Short, etc.) have.  Most of these departures have revolved around matters of money and authority, the details of which anyone can discover by interviewing former "members."

Yes, Shawshank places a bit of someone's reality above within those comments about your humble "pulp cryptozoology" blogger.  I suppose that I can proudly say that when the BFRO was "created" by one person years ago, via a groups list, I was (after only a few weeks) kicked out of the internal circle of "curators" for asking too many hard inquiries that were never answered, about mission, decision-making, leadership, and more.  My media awareness and documentary visibility were not appreciated then.  My mild organizational questions were found to be too challenging, even though I never requested or wanted any kind of leadership role in the BFRO.  I merely probed as I do all the time about many issues.  I was unsubscribed, without explanation.

That I assume is how Matt Moneymaker has conceptualized and discussed my "removal" from the "BFRO."  Who cares?  Each to their own reality, projections, and dictatorships.   Of course, he may have left out that after I was publicly given the boot, he backchanneled secret discussions with me often, and even later invited me to speak at the Willow Creek symposium during the year my Bigfoot book was being published. (I was later to discover this invitation was sent with no authority, and I was to learn I was not on the published speakers' list.)  I was also asked to contribute to the BFRO website (without credit and without my name being attached to the items), for example, on matters of Ray Wallace and the media.

It has been a long and winding road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawshank, please check back in, in the future, after you experience the same fellow that those who have left BFRO in the last few months (including Kathy Moskowitz Strain anthropologist, Alton Higgins, biologist, Chris Whittier, primate specialist, Jeff Meldrum, Jimmy Chilcutt, Rick Noll, etc.) or years ago, (e.g. Ron Schaffner, Bobbie Short, etc.) have.  Most of these departures have revolved around matters of money and authority, the details of which anyone can discover by interviewing former &#8220;members.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Shawshank places a bit of someone&#8217;s reality above within those comments about your humble &#8220;pulp cryptozoology&#8221; blogger.  I suppose that I can proudly say that when the BFRO was &#8220;created&#8221; by one person years ago, via a groups list, I was (after only a few weeks) kicked out of the internal circle of &#8220;curators&#8221; for asking too many hard inquiries that were never answered, about mission, decision-making, leadership, and more.  My media awareness and documentary visibility were not appreciated then.  My mild organizational questions were found to be too challenging, even though I never requested or wanted any kind of leadership role in the BFRO.  I merely probed as I do all the time about many issues.  I was unsubscribed, without explanation.</p>
<p>That I assume is how Matt Moneymaker has conceptualized and discussed my &#8220;removal&#8221; from the &#8220;BFRO.&#8221;  Who cares?  Each to their own reality, projections, and dictatorships.   Of course, he may have left out that after I was publicly given the boot, he backchanneled secret discussions with me often, and even later invited me to speak at the Willow Creek symposium during the year my Bigfoot book was being published. (I was later to discover this invitation was sent with no authority, and I was to learn I was not on the published speakers&#8217; list.)  I was also asked to contribute to the BFRO website (without credit and without my name being attached to the items), for example, on matters of Ray Wallace and the media.</p>
<p>It has been a long and winding road.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow Ink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the BFRO commentary made sense. I really cannot see that they were attacking Cryptomundo. Perhaps too much is being read into that editorial? A single picture, especially on a subject as sensitive as this one, would be worth far more than a thousand words. We are all too aware of huge claims that do not withstand the light of verification. Lets await future matters before declaring war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the BFRO commentary made sense. I really cannot see that they were attacking Cryptomundo. Perhaps too much is being read into that editorial? A single picture, especially on a subject as sensitive as this one, would be worth far more than a thousand words. We are all too aware of huge claims that do not withstand the light of verification. Lets await future matters before declaring war.</p>
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