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		<title>By: AtomicMrEMonster</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-walk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-35067</link>
		<dc:creator>AtomicMrEMonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you compare the P/G footage with the footage of Jim McClarin  walking Patty&#039;s route, you&#039;ll see that they both pass under the same tree knot.  The thing is, we can see that McClarin is taller than (the somewhat hunched over) Patty in that shot!  This takes Patty out of the 7 foot range and would also effect the weight estimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you compare the P/G footage with the footage of Jim McClarin  walking Patty&#8217;s route, you&#8217;ll see that they both pass under the same tree knot.  The thing is, we can see that McClarin is taller than (the somewhat hunched over) Patty in that shot!  This takes Patty out of the 7 foot range and would also effect the weight estimate.</p>
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		<title>By: CBFResearcher</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-walk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-35066</link>
		<dc:creator>CBFResearcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also guess that when you find the 7 foot tall, 400 + pound person in the suit, let me know....  So far, there is no one, including BH, that is even remotely close in size or stature that can be related to the PG film or that has anything to do with it, hoax or not.

All I know, is that the place I was at, there has not been anyone else there in the last 2 years but me and I found tracks, plain and simple.

I know this, because the string a put in place across a road used to test the theory, is still there, and I have the only tire tracks ever there in 2 years...  OR, did someone follow me to a place I&#039;ve never told anyone where I was going and when?  The animal exists... now we need better proof...  Other than that...  I guess that makes me a skeptical believer... if that&#039;s possible....!

One day folks... Just like the Gorilla in the early 20th century... Once it was just a myth by locals... But they do exist, don&#039;t they....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also guess that when you find the 7 foot tall, 400 + pound person in the suit, let me know&#8230;.  So far, there is no one, including BH, that is even remotely close in size or stature that can be related to the PG film or that has anything to do with it, hoax or not.</p>
<p>All I know, is that the place I was at, there has not been anyone else there in the last 2 years but me and I found tracks, plain and simple.</p>
<p>I know this, because the string a put in place across a road used to test the theory, is still there, and I have the only tire tracks ever there in 2 years&#8230;  OR, did someone follow me to a place I&#8217;ve never told anyone where I was going and when?  The animal exists&#8230; now we need better proof&#8230;  Other than that&#8230;  I guess that makes me a skeptical believer&#8230; if that&#8217;s possible&#8230;.!</p>
<p>One day folks&#8230; Just like the Gorilla in the early 20th century&#8230; Once it was just a myth by locals&#8230; But they do exist, don&#8217;t they&#8230;.!</p>
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		<title>By: CBFResearcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBFResearcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry folks, still another attempt to debunk the video. The arms are too short. Need I say more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry folks, still another attempt to debunk the video. The arms are too short. Need I say more.</p>
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		<title>By: AtomicMrEMonster</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-walk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-35064</link>
		<dc:creator>AtomicMrEMonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jerrywayne:

I don&#039;t know how friendly Bob Heironimus was with Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin, but I do know that they have worked together.  If you look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/william_parcher/24c0dcb5.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this picture,&lt;/a&gt; you can see Bob Heironimus at the far right.  The guy with the long black hair to the left of Bob Heironimus is actually Bob Gimlin in a wig!  You see, he was playing the part of an &quot;Indian tracker&quot; for Roger Patterson&#039;s documentary.  To the left of Gimlin is Howard Heironimus, Bob&#039;s brother, and Roger Patterson can be seen at the bottom left.

I also seem to recall that one of the horses taken to Bluff Creek actually belonged to Bob Heironimus.  I don&#039;t know which one it supposedly was, but you can see footage of the horses from the famous second reel &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.southwestdj.com/patterson.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

Notice that the camera pans when it is filming Patterson, Gimlin, and the three horses.  This is impossible for a 60&#039;s 16mm camera to do by itself on a tripod and would require someone to operate the camera.  If they had someone else go with them to Bluff Creek to film, why didn&#039;t they mention them and why didn&#039;t that person see Patty/talk about seeing Patty?  Is it at all possible that the person who played Patty was used as the cameraman and they were able to get away with it since all the attention was focused on the Patty footage?  There also might be another issue with the horses (but it&#039;s hard to say due to the terrible color quality of the footage).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jerrywayne:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how friendly Bob Heironimus was with Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin, but I do know that they have worked together.  If you look at <a href="http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/william_parcher/24c0dcb5.jpg" rel="nofollow">this picture,</a> you can see Bob Heironimus at the far right.  The guy with the long black hair to the left of Bob Heironimus is actually Bob Gimlin in a wig!  You see, he was playing the part of an &#8220;Indian tracker&#8221; for Roger Patterson&#8217;s documentary.  To the left of Gimlin is Howard Heironimus, Bob&#8217;s brother, and Roger Patterson can be seen at the bottom left.</p>
<p>I also seem to recall that one of the horses taken to Bluff Creek actually belonged to Bob Heironimus.  I don&#8217;t know which one it supposedly was, but you can see footage of the horses from the famous second reel <a href="http://www.southwestdj.com/patterson.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p>Notice that the camera pans when it is filming Patterson, Gimlin, and the three horses.  This is impossible for a 60&#8217;s 16mm camera to do by itself on a tripod and would require someone to operate the camera.  If they had someone else go with them to Bluff Creek to film, why didn&#8217;t they mention them and why didn&#8217;t that person see Patty/talk about seeing Patty?  Is it at all possible that the person who played Patty was used as the cameraman and they were able to get away with it since all the attention was focused on the Patty footage?  There also might be another issue with the horses (but it&#8217;s hard to say due to the terrible color quality of the footage).</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I do not find it strange at all that the Patterson/Gimlin film has not been exactly reproduced.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&#039;Exactly&#039; reproduced? It hasn&#039;t even been remotely reproduced.

The Bob H suit looks like a fat ewok. It&#039;s a million miles from what we see in the P/G footage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I do not find it strange at all that the Patterson/Gimlin film has not been exactly reproduced.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8216;Exactly&#8217; reproduced? It hasn&#8217;t even been remotely reproduced.</p>
<p>The Bob H suit looks like a fat ewok. It&#8217;s a million miles from what we see in the P/G footage.</p>
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		<title>By: jerrywayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerrywayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think kittenz hit the nail on the head in the above post.

Why I give credence to the Bob H. story:

1. It is simple. He could have embellished it and had Patterson create a superduper, unbelievably complex suit. Instead, he describes a very simple costume.

2. He makes comments that one would expect, but might not think of, for a person in his position that day. For instance, he relates how he hit the dirt moments after Patterson stopped filming, fearful that some unseen hunters might have him in their sights.

3. Other people claim to have seen the Bigfoot suit in his position shortly after.

4. His build and walk do look to me like shadow images of Patterson&#039;s Bigfoot.

5. The picture in Long&#039;s book of the Phillip Morris manufactured gorilla suit does look like aspects of Patterson&#039;s Bigfoot: the sagittal crest and the shoulders. (I discount Morris&#039; claim that the Patterson image was nothing but his ape suit, sans face. The breasts and long legs tell a different story).

6. Bob H. stated that the lower part of the suit was made from waders (he thought). To my mind, this explains why leg muscles seem to contract and the leg quivering: the rubber waders&#039; give and take with each step. Also, Meldrum&#039;s documentary account of Patterson&#039;s film includes a skeletal reenactment of the Bigfoot&#039;s walk, showing a weird circular motion, knee level, that is odd for a living animal but possibly indicative of waders flopping about the knees.

Reasons why I suspect the Bob H. account.

1. I&#039;ve heard that he has change his story somewhat. This is damaging if true.

2. As far as I can tell, Bob and Roger were not real close. This seems odd because Patterson would need someone he could trust completely not to rat on him. Maybe every one involve took an oath. Or maybe Bob H. just didn&#039;t think much about the whole thing until, as he said, he got tired of seeing his image over and over again as &quot;proof&quot; that Bigfoot was real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think kittenz hit the nail on the head in the above post.</p>
<p>Why I give credence to the Bob H. story:</p>
<p>1. It is simple. He could have embellished it and had Patterson create a superduper, unbelievably complex suit. Instead, he describes a very simple costume.</p>
<p>2. He makes comments that one would expect, but might not think of, for a person in his position that day. For instance, he relates how he hit the dirt moments after Patterson stopped filming, fearful that some unseen hunters might have him in their sights.</p>
<p>3. Other people claim to have seen the Bigfoot suit in his position shortly after.</p>
<p>4. His build and walk do look to me like shadow images of Patterson&#8217;s Bigfoot.</p>
<p>5. The picture in Long&#8217;s book of the Phillip Morris manufactured gorilla suit does look like aspects of Patterson&#8217;s Bigfoot: the sagittal crest and the shoulders. (I discount Morris&#8217; claim that the Patterson image was nothing but his ape suit, sans face. The breasts and long legs tell a different story).</p>
<p>6. Bob H. stated that the lower part of the suit was made from waders (he thought). To my mind, this explains why leg muscles seem to contract and the leg quivering: the rubber waders&#8217; give and take with each step. Also, Meldrum&#8217;s documentary account of Patterson&#8217;s film includes a skeletal reenactment of the Bigfoot&#8217;s walk, showing a weird circular motion, knee level, that is odd for a living animal but possibly indicative of waders flopping about the knees.</p>
<p>Reasons why I suspect the Bob H. account.</p>
<p>1. I&#8217;ve heard that he has change his story somewhat. This is damaging if true.</p>
<p>2. As far as I can tell, Bob and Roger were not real close. This seems odd because Patterson would need someone he could trust completely not to rat on him. Maybe every one involve took an oath. Or maybe Bob H. just didn&#8217;t think much about the whole thing until, as he said, he got tired of seeing his image over and over again as &#8220;proof&#8221; that Bigfoot was real.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not find it strange at all that the Patterson/Gimlin film has not been exactly reproduced. It&#039;s nearly impossible for third parties to convincingly recreate original artwork. That doesn&#039;t mean it is footage of a real Sasquatch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not find it strange at all that the Patterson/Gimlin film has not been exactly reproduced. It&#8217;s nearly impossible for third parties to convincingly recreate original artwork. That doesn&#8217;t mean it is footage of a real Sasquatch.</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptonut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cryptonut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been many shows trying to create a video like the PG film and to date they all look ridiculously fake.  I&#039;ve yet to hear someone say that any of the modern age recreations look as good as PG.  It&#039;s easy for BH, after he comes out with his story, to try and mimic what he sees on the film, that does not mean that the video is a fake.  That just means that BH can mimic what he sees on the film, nothing a little practice couldn&#039;t help him master.  That being said, I didn&#039;t see the bent knee walk, only that he could swing his arms in a similar fashion.

Like other posters have mentioned, there is too much bulk and to me the motion looks way too fluid to be faked, that and with all the other oddities, being a female, saggital crest, etc.  I just cannot believe that someone could think of all of that, and have the expertise to make the gait look so fluid and real when today no one has been able to recreate something as genuine looking.

For me the PG film looks to be authentic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been many shows trying to create a video like the PG film and to date they all look ridiculously fake.  I&#8217;ve yet to hear someone say that any of the modern age recreations look as good as PG.  It&#8217;s easy for BH, after he comes out with his story, to try and mimic what he sees on the film, that does not mean that the video is a fake.  That just means that BH can mimic what he sees on the film, nothing a little practice couldn&#8217;t help him master.  That being said, I didn&#8217;t see the bent knee walk, only that he could swing his arms in a similar fashion.</p>
<p>Like other posters have mentioned, there is too much bulk and to me the motion looks way too fluid to be faked, that and with all the other oddities, being a female, saggital crest, etc.  I just cannot believe that someone could think of all of that, and have the expertise to make the gait look so fluid and real when today no one has been able to recreate something as genuine looking.</p>
<p>For me the PG film looks to be authentic.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think even if his walk was almost the same as Patty&#039;s, it is not necessarily him that did it. Now, I still hold open the idea that the PG footage could have been hoaxed but I&#039;m not sure I am convinced that Bod H. was the guy. Also, getting a person to mimic the way patty walks without him wearing the suit doesn&#039;t prove anything really other than someone can mimic the walk. I mean, there have been many instances of humans in suits believably mimicking gorilla behavior, wookie behavior, and with a little CGI help, golem behavior too.   Add to that the problem that without a suit, we can&#039;t be sure of the effect of things such as arm extenders or prosthetics, so it would be simpler for a person without those to approach an approximation of how Patty walks. Humans can be very good copycats, especially when the animal in question is bipedal like us. So if someone can study the film and perfectly copy Patty&#039;s walk, that is not damning evidence against the PG film to me showing that it MUST have been faked. It doesn&#039;t mean the film wasn&#039;t possibly hoaxed, it just means that in my opinion seeing someone trying to copy Patty&#039;s walk doesn&#039;t completely seal the deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think even if his walk was almost the same as Patty&#8217;s, it is not necessarily him that did it. Now, I still hold open the idea that the PG footage could have been hoaxed but I&#8217;m not sure I am convinced that Bod H. was the guy. Also, getting a person to mimic the way patty walks without him wearing the suit doesn&#8217;t prove anything really other than someone can mimic the walk. I mean, there have been many instances of humans in suits believably mimicking gorilla behavior, wookie behavior, and with a little CGI help, golem behavior too.   Add to that the problem that without a suit, we can&#8217;t be sure of the effect of things such as arm extenders or prosthetics, so it would be simpler for a person without those to approach an approximation of how Patty walks. Humans can be very good copycats, especially when the animal in question is bipedal like us. So if someone can study the film and perfectly copy Patty&#8217;s walk, that is not damning evidence against the PG film to me showing that it MUST have been faked. It doesn&#8217;t mean the film wasn&#8217;t possibly hoaxed, it just means that in my opinion seeing someone trying to copy Patty&#8217;s walk doesn&#8217;t completely seal the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: jamesrav</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren&#039;s willingness to put forth all information is commendable, but this particular contribution may not help &#039;the cause&#039; to be honest.  From a layman&#039;s perspective, there definitely seem to be a lot of matches, at least for the few seconds shown.  Not having read the book (but aware of many passages) it&#039;s the inconsistency of Bob H&#039;s story regarding the costume composition that makes me skeptical of what he claims.  OTOH, it seems hard to believe he has invented the *whole* story from thin air.  The P/G film gets more confounding as the years go by, not less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren&#8217;s willingness to put forth all information is commendable, but this particular contribution may not help &#8216;the cause&#8217; to be honest.  From a layman&#8217;s perspective, there definitely seem to be a lot of matches, at least for the few seconds shown.  Not having read the book (but aware of many passages) it&#8217;s the inconsistency of Bob H&#8217;s story regarding the costume composition that makes me skeptical of what he claims.  OTOH, it seems hard to believe he has invented the *whole* story from thin air.  The P/G film gets more confounding as the years go by, not less.</p>
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