– Clarke’s Second Law
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Considering how difficult and elusive they are perhaps it’s time to look outside of the box, I say it’s long overdue.

“grounded research” only applies to a reality based on common knowledge and standard and rather dogmatic scientific models. There’s much esoteric and hidden knowledge that could aid in the research and when you realize the reality isn’t just comprised of the material plane, you may realize all things are possible, and in situations like this, the standard models need to be broken.

Considering how often UFO sightings have been associated with big foot sightings, there may easily be a relationship.

If we are to believe the stories related to The Montaulk Project by Preston Nichols, supposedly a thought form Sasquatch /Big foot was produced as a result of a thought amplifier machine being used at the compound that technology had been provided by aliens from Sirius.

Tin hat anyone?

But of course that’s not what we’re talking about here.

And while I may not go as far as you in terms of dismissing things for which I don’t have evidence, one way or the other, I do have to say that invisible sasquatch haven’t been helping this topic gain scientific credibility.

And no matter what anyone thinks about scientists, scientific credibility is what we’re stuck with, those of us who haven’t seen one, heard one, smelled one, and would simply want to know.

Obviously there are some strange things going on with sasquatch if they are indeed real. Reports that are not easily explained and the well known reaction that witnesses have of being watched shouldn’t be discarded. But I think it is prudent to look at all of the natural explanations, those grounded in scientific fact and precedence, before moving off into more far out, unsubstantiated conclusions. There could be natural, biological reasons that fit into what we know as to why the sasquatch might appear to be able to become invisible, why it avoids cameras, or why it has the effect it does on witnesses.

I think these sorts of options should be explored more before we start jumping off into invisibility, quantum theory, alternate dimensions, and whatnot.

What I have been saying applies to the concept of invisible animals (in the sense that they can somehow shift out of the visual spectrum) as much as it does to inter-dimensional beings. There’s no real evidence, established scientific foundation, or known precedence in the natural world for either of them. What we have learned about the world changes as time goes on, but it is built upon what has come before. Scientists don’t make this stuff up, research builds on principles that have come about through hard work and constant picking apart by peers. This is not to be taken too lightly.

At least to the best of our knowledge, there is no current established connection whatsoever between invisible animals and the physics theories that are being discussed here. Maybe later there will be, but so far years and years of study of the natural world has yet to uncover anything at all to make us suppose animals become invisible. As far as we now know, animals simply do not become invisible. So if sasquatch is an animal, I think it is perfectly reasonable to suppose that neither does it. Until someone shows how science is wrong on this, I think it is fairly safe to rest on the scientific foundation and collection of knowledge gathered and expanded up over a long period of time by countless scientists through a lot of hard work that does not point to animals turning invisible.

I guess I just don’t appreciate the “close minded” accusations sometimes aimed at people for not buying into these kinds of unconventional theories in some of these conversations.

Maybe later, there will be a revelation and we will all be proven wrong, I can accept that. It would be awesome if this happened. But in the meantime, nothing points to animals that can turn invisible at this point in time. Are we to second guess all we have learned about this world and all of the scientific principles we have established so far? Paradigms are shifted under the weight of evidence. Considering this, thinking animals don’t turn invisible is a reasonably safe assumption based on how the world is currently known to work, and so I’d say is not really being close minded at all.

Unless the idea can be grounded in terms of reality as we know it, on a firm scientific basis, then the idea of invisible animals is all speculation, NOT the idea that animals don’t become invisible. Until we know better (and science is the way to know better), that’s the way it is for now.

Anyway, my obvious willingness to talk about this subject shows that I at least listen to these ideas. Open mindedness would entail proponents listening to mine as well.

Graybear, you’re not quite grapsing the concept I think. And I didn’t say that shamans become invisible either. Maybe its about perception? The paradigm is hard to shake when we grew up believing something too. But no, a few people didn’t get together and dream these things up. Good to hear you acknowledge having seeing ghosts too, that’s a tough admission for many to make. But knowing that there is this ‘other side’ so to speak, that should at least leave a door slightly cracked that there is some form of alternative ‘realm’ as it were. Whether its the same one being discussed, well I doubt it.

Have you read any introductory articles on M theory or this Quantum Physics stuff? It might help to do so if you are open minded and at least wish to understand. Yeah I know, they are animals, everything alive is. They live, breath, probably sweat, vocalize, bleed, and yes poop. Nobody is saying they aren’t these things. This is the misunderstanding part I think. I guess it requires a little different way of looking at the universe, which maybe isn’t as easy for everyone to grasp. Yet you seem to acknowledge the existence of ghosts. Do we really know what they are or where they go?

Once again, when I’m out there in the field, I’m out looking for physical evidence, sticks breaking, wood knocks, tracks, even breathing on rare occasion. I also carry a 44 magnum with very hot loads for my peace of mind. If I didn’t think they were a ‘biological’ entity as well, what would be the point of that? Whether it would actually stop a ill intended sasquatch, well hopefully I’ll never find that out. Twice over the last couple of decades I’ve had my 30-30 rifle trained on one, and I would NEVER shoot unless I absolutely had to. They are just too big and too powerful an ‘animal’. Yes, animal. I know, but how can sasquatch be an animal and sometimes invisible? That’s still the misuse of the term invisible I think, but I don’t think I have the background to be able to explain more then I already have.

Anyway, here is the whole story told by Fred Beck and Ape Canyon for anyone who has never read it. Warning: Requires an open mind.

I’m just saying that right now, with the current evidence, knowledge, and known precedence for invisibility in the natural world (read- none.), there is no real reason to suppose that sasquatch or any other creature can become invisible. (Although they WOULD be invisible. ) Nothing says to me that sasquatch if it exists, deviates from a biological model, as it fits various known criteria for an animal, yet none for invisibility or inter dimensional beings (criteria we don’t even have at this point). Maybe they are, but there really isn’t much to scientificaly build a case for that on currently and so until there is I have to think that if sasquatch is out there, then it is most probably a biological entity.

Until science comes up with a plausible reason and research that sets up the notion of invisible or extra dimensional creatures, it is a fairly far out notion, and I’d have to say that considering current established conventions I find it unlikely. I know that may sounds close minded, but scientists need more to go on than a willingness to believe. Anyway, at least I’m willing to talk about this stuff in the first place.

Anyhow, I agree this has been a good discussion. I appreciate that you have come on here, engaged on the matter and explained your position in a clear, thought out manner.

There might be disagreement with some lines of reasoning or ideas being put forth, but that we can still engage on the issue in a reasonable matter is awesome.

Yes Mystery-man, but once you have a viable proven phenomenon, then you have something to test with. That’s how science works too. Once upon a time it would have been fantasy to think we could see under the solid surface of the earth. How can you see through a solid object right? But now we have many ways of doing this, all developed by science. We also continue to expand our ability to view into different spectrums of light, matter, space, and sound. Those means continue to be adapted for use by these physicists trying to explore their independent as well as unified theories.

So once they prove these alternate universes indeed exist, I can only assume they will try to detect life there too. Seems like a normal course of human curiosity right? We are doing it in space. I recall one of the things that Mr. Kaku said the other night was that dinosaurs could be right here in this same place we occupy now. Hard to fathom I know. Still maybe the proposition of bigfoot being there too wouldn’t be so different? There has been ample suggestion by many of these theoretical physicists that there is likely ‘life’ present there. No, not an easy thing to contemplate that’s for sure. Maybe what we consider to be the heavens also happens to be one of these places? Or not. :^)

Again, I think the nomenclature of the word ‘Invisible’ Sasquatch needs to be adjusted because we’re probably talking about a being just as real as us, but also some laws of physics we just don’t get yet. If there is indeed solid basis for this key element of Quantum Physics, and any such admittedly-incredible link to sasquatch, they really wouldn’t be ‘invisible’ per se. We simply lack a comprehensive understanding of what this alternate dimension theory really is. I guess we are not advanced or evolved enough as a species to grasp such crazyness…

The other thing about that scientific field is that most of the physicists (not all of course) are on the same page in respect to the existence of alternate universes. If that weren’t the case, you wouldn’t have so many able to cooperate on such massive projects such as the collider.

When the mechanisms for proving alternate universes become available, well maybe then some of those same tools will be used to try and detect our friend? Wouldn’t that be a wild step into what we presently consider science fiction? Imagine a hand-held device that tells you if something is coming into phase, and tracks them much like thermal sensors track heat signatures. LOL OK I know, that was a wild leap, but fun.

But of course until drastic inventions like that take place (probably not in my lifetime), I’ll look for those tracks here in our world using my existing senses. And yes, I include the extra one that allows me to feel I’m being watched. Because unfortunately, I don’t have one of those fancy new ‘patented’ out-of-phase sasquatch detectors yet. LOL

Well I didn’t begin posting on this subject to advocate that sasquatch are from some other world or reality. I do know I’ve had a few things happen with respect to these amazing creatures that CANNOT be explained with ‘present’ biological science. I guess these events are for me to interpret because I am the only one who was there. But I do think we need to remain open minded in all manner of speaking, because what should be a conventional answer to sasquatch hasn’t emerged. I’ve seen em clearly move through the forest a couple of times as a large bipedal animal, based on that measurement of their ability, there is no way they should have been able to elude us all these decades. Yes they are powerfully agile and do indeed have heightened senses, but come on, are we really that inept with all of our technology, skills, and even weaponry? So maybe they have some extra ‘juice’ in order to remain one step ahead of us? Oddly, similar stories that come from seasoned researchers of strange things happening that can’t be explained evolve on their own. Same with mine. With any other mystery, the correlation of so many similiar reports would provide clues that deserve sincere investigation. On the contrary, many of these researchers became ostracized instead. So, they simply keep their mouths shut on the matter. That’s no way for a field to behave that can’t come up with an otherwise viable explanation. Science is supposed to remain open-minded, now physics should keep that door open just a little more.

Most who have heard the story believe what happened at Ape Canyon as told by Fred Beck right? One of the great sasquatch/human conflicts that have been told. But how many of you have read his entire interview? Do we just believe what we want and throw away the other half? Wild stuff yes, but that does not make it false.

Greybear, I don’t think deer or bear or similar animals can do what is being proposed. (Of course that might explain why all the deer seem to ‘disappear’ come hunting season. lol ) But you may be incorrect in including primitive tribesmen in that entirely. I don’t mean all of them, I’m talking about those who are the Shamans, those few who have been taught the old ways. Things that haven’t been shared with white man of today. This is what Amstar is also referring to. There are some who know how to be in both worlds. But I’m not one of them, of course a short vacation there might be quite an experience. lol

Its been an enjoyable discussion.