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		<title>By: jerrywayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerrywayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too was initially concerned that the class seemed to present &quot;critical thinking&quot; erroneously by contrasting only the &quot;Great American Ape&quot; legend presented as fact with a paranormal  &quot;explanation&quot; for bigfoot. It is good to know that the educators were more responsible than initially presented.

By the way, I confess I owe the topic of cryptozoology my thanks for a life long habit of reading. As a kid, I enjoyed picture books and can still vividly recall one particular book, a Frank Buck &quot;bring&#039;em back alive&quot; illustrated book, that had gorgeous paintings of exotic animals and birds. But I never read the books; I just looked at the pictures. (I did, however, always read the first and last pages of my dad&#039;s Ian Flemings).

Then, one day, I found Frank Edwards&#039; STRANGER THAN SCIENCE and my life changed. I READ the book, over and over. It was a collection of Edwards&#039; columns, dealing with everything from the Loch Ness Monster to people who disappeared in plain sight. WOW! (Later I would realize that much of Edwards&#039; stuff consisted of &quot;twice told tales&quot; and what we would now call &quot;urban legends&quot;.) I went to the library to find other similar books, and would read and read and read. I especially enjoyed Ivan Sanderson and his ABOMINABLE SNOWMEN: LEGEND COME TO LIFE was the first hardcover book I ever bought.

And I have been reading ever since. Science, philosophy, history, non-fiction and so on. (Even the works of skeptics. It&#039;s not painful folks. Try it.)

So, yes. I owe cryptozoology a debt. And I see how it could be used beneficently as a tool in the classroom today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was initially concerned that the class seemed to present &#8220;critical thinking&#8221; erroneously by contrasting only the &#8220;Great American Ape&#8221; legend presented as fact with a paranormal  &#8220;explanation&#8221; for bigfoot. It is good to know that the educators were more responsible than initially presented.</p>
<p>By the way, I confess I owe the topic of cryptozoology my thanks for a life long habit of reading. As a kid, I enjoyed picture books and can still vividly recall one particular book, a Frank Buck &#8220;bring&#8217;em back alive&#8221; illustrated book, that had gorgeous paintings of exotic animals and birds. But I never read the books; I just looked at the pictures. (I did, however, always read the first and last pages of my dad&#8217;s Ian Flemings).</p>
<p>Then, one day, I found Frank Edwards&#8217; STRANGER THAN SCIENCE and my life changed. I READ the book, over and over. It was a collection of Edwards&#8217; columns, dealing with everything from the Loch Ness Monster to people who disappeared in plain sight. WOW! (Later I would realize that much of Edwards&#8217; stuff consisted of &#8220;twice told tales&#8221; and what we would now call &#8220;urban legends&#8221;.) I went to the library to find other similar books, and would read and read and read. I especially enjoyed Ivan Sanderson and his ABOMINABLE SNOWMEN: LEGEND COME TO LIFE was the first hardcover book I ever bought.</p>
<p>And I have been reading ever since. Science, philosophy, history, non-fiction and so on. (Even the works of skeptics. It&#8217;s not painful folks. Try it.)</p>
<p>So, yes. I owe cryptozoology a debt. And I see how it could be used beneficently as a tool in the classroom today.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Radford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Radford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pleased that the curriculum will include a diverse sampling of works by myself, David Daegling, Mike Dennett, Matt Crowley, and others. I must have read Loren&#039;s post too quickly, because I didn&#039;t see them mentioned. I only saw works by Coleman, Meldrum, and Redfern mentioned. Perhaps Loren or the instructors could specify what those other sources are.

I must have also been wrong about the purpose of the class, apparently it is not &quot;critical thinking,&quot; as stated in the original post, but simply &quot;writing.&quot; That&#039;s a different story then; if the purpose is just a writing exercise, that&#039;s one thing. If the purpose is critical thinking, that&#039;s quite another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pleased that the curriculum will include a diverse sampling of works by myself, David Daegling, Mike Dennett, Matt Crowley, and others. I must have read Loren&#8217;s post too quickly, because I didn&#8217;t see them mentioned. I only saw works by Coleman, Meldrum, and Redfern mentioned. Perhaps Loren or the instructors could specify what those other sources are.</p>
<p>I must have also been wrong about the purpose of the class, apparently it is not &#8220;critical thinking,&#8221; as stated in the original post, but simply &#8220;writing.&#8221; That&#8217;s a different story then; if the purpose is just a writing exercise, that&#8217;s one thing. If the purpose is critical thinking, that&#8217;s quite another.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez, skeptics, hold your fire.  This blog was written &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; I went up to lecture in the class, and &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; I talked in person to the students and instructors.  Please re-read it with that in mind.

What I did find was all points of view were well represented and encouraged.

There were debunkers in the class, and the instructors (in person) elaborated on the &quot;other articles&quot; that they emailed me about, which are being used to support the &quot;P-G film is a hoax&quot; POV.

It&#039;s a class on writing, for Freshman, not on zoology or anthropology.  The contrast is there, folks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, skeptics, hold your fire.  This blog was written <em>before</em> I went up to lecture in the class, and <em>before</em> I talked in person to the students and instructors.  Please re-read it with that in mind.</p>
<p>What I did find was all points of view were well represented and encouraged.</p>
<p>There were debunkers in the class, and the instructors (in person) elaborated on the &#8220;other articles&#8221; that they emailed me about, which are being used to support the &#8220;P-G film is a hoax&#8221; POV.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a class on writing, for Freshman, not on zoology or anthropology.  The contrast is there, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On reading Loren&#039;s last post, I retract mine.

A leetle bit.

I think it could have been a little plainer that the Nationa...sorry, the Skeptical Enquirer was involved, because even a skeptic (let&#039;s not give that word a bad name, now) like me missed that on the first couple reads.  &quot;Other articles&quot; soft-pedals it a bit too much, methinks.  Say what they are.  Without, of course, labeling them negatively.  Equal time in debates, right, Hillary?  Obama?  Hey, play nice...!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On reading Loren&#8217;s last post, I retract mine.</p>
<p>A leetle bit.</p>
<p>I think it could have been a little plainer that the Nationa&#8230;sorry, the Skeptical Enquirer was involved, because even a skeptic (let&#8217;s not give that word a bad name, now) like me missed that on the first couple reads.  &#8220;Other articles&#8221; soft-pedals it a bit too much, methinks.  Say what they are.  Without, of course, labeling them negatively.  Equal time in debates, right, Hillary?  Obama?  Hey, play nice&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW!  CALL THE MARINES!

Or at least check your Armageddon references and see whether we&#039;re at End of Days.

I AGREE WITH BEN RADFORD ON SOMETHING!

Personally, most sasquatch books don&#039;t interest me; they take too much of a monster/paranormal/Weird Occurrences slant, rather than just examining the evidence for what may be an unlisted primate.  (I&#039;d prefer to just read sighting reports.  That&#039;s the evidence, right there.)  There are a number of exceptions, however, of which Loren&#039;s and Jeff&#039;s are two.

But I was sort of expecting more contrast here.  Don&#039;t know a thing about Redfern&#039;s book.  But you do need the debunker side of the question as well as the proponent side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!  CALL THE MARINES!</p>
<p>Or at least check your Armageddon references and see whether we&#8217;re at End of Days.</p>
<p>I AGREE WITH BEN RADFORD ON SOMETHING!</p>
<p>Personally, most sasquatch books don&#8217;t interest me; they take too much of a monster/paranormal/Weird Occurrences slant, rather than just examining the evidence for what may be an unlisted primate.  (I&#8217;d prefer to just read sighting reports.  That&#8217;s the evidence, right there.)  There are a number of exceptions, however, of which Loren&#8217;s and Jeff&#8217;s are two.</p>
<p>But I was sort of expecting more contrast here.  Don&#8217;t know a thing about Redfern&#8217;s book.  But you do need the debunker side of the question as well as the proponent side.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emotional skepticism is revealed, once again, in Ben&#039;s rapid response above, where he writes without re-reading the blog, it would seem.

Besides the fact that skepticism is certainly in evidence in my book and Jeff&#039;s on many points along the Bigfoot research path, including some very different points of view we have about the Wallace evidence, Ben completely ignores that the other side was mentioned by the instructor.

As the course&#039;s instructor mentioned, the students are required to read &quot;other articles to construct arguments as to whether the film could have been hoaxed or if a hoax seems unlikely.&quot;

LOL.  Those &quot;other articles,&quot; actually, are ones from &lt;em&gt;The Skeptical Inquirer&lt;/em&gt;, of which Ben Radford happens to be the managing editor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emotional skepticism is revealed, once again, in Ben&#8217;s rapid response above, where he writes without re-reading the blog, it would seem.</p>
<p>Besides the fact that skepticism is certainly in evidence in my book and Jeff&#8217;s on many points along the Bigfoot research path, including some very different points of view we have about the Wallace evidence, Ben completely ignores that the other side was mentioned by the instructor.</p>
<p>As the course&#8217;s instructor mentioned, the students are required to read &#8220;other articles to construct arguments as to whether the film could have been hoaxed or if a hoax seems unlikely.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL.  Those &#8220;other articles,&#8221; actually, are ones from <em>The Skeptical Inquirer</em>, of which Ben Radford happens to be the managing editor.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Radford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Radford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone else see the glaring contradiction in the following sentences?

&quot;...students will become involved in critical thinking. The students are required to read two books that present different view points on an issue. For their classes they are using my book Bigfoot! The True Story of Apes in America, Jeff Meldrum’s Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science and Nick Redfern’s Three Men Seeking Monsters.&quot;

Let&#039;s see: students are learning critical thinking by reading three different points of view on a topic. I&#039;m sure that Coleman, Redfern, and Meldrum differ on some details, but all three are very much in the &quot;pro-Bigfoot&quot; camp. This is what passes for diversity of points of view?

If students are being asked to think critically and examine different points of view, it seems very odd that not a single skeptical article or book is among them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else see the glaring contradiction in the following sentences?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;students will become involved in critical thinking. The students are required to read two books that present different view points on an issue. For their classes they are using my book Bigfoot! The True Story of Apes in America, Jeff Meldrum’s Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science and Nick Redfern’s Three Men Seeking Monsters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see: students are learning critical thinking by reading three different points of view on a topic. I&#8217;m sure that Coleman, Redfern, and Meldrum differ on some details, but all three are very much in the &#8220;pro-Bigfoot&#8221; camp. This is what passes for diversity of points of view?</p>
<p>If students are being asked to think critically and examine different points of view, it seems very odd that not a single skeptical article or book is among them.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is good for cryptozoology, it might spark interest in some young minds to look into it.

I do think it would be better in a logic 101 class, but it doesn&#039;t really matter, as long as the kids are exposed to it and required to think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is good for cryptozoology, it might spark interest in some young minds to look into it.</p>
<p>I do think it would be better in a logic 101 class, but it doesn&#8217;t really matter, as long as the kids are exposed to it and required to think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoHaus_Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoHaus_Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if my teachers had offered such great assignments to read in class?

i wouldn&#039;t have had to hide all the cool crypto books i was reading inside the oversized textbooks featuring &quot;the classics.&quot;

don&#039;t get me wrong.  i&#039;m glad i read shakespeare and chaucer, too, but... did they ever hold a candle to the latest, greatest bigfoot tomes?

nawwww.... ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if my teachers had offered such great assignments to read in class?</p>
<p>i wouldn&#8217;t have had to hide all the cool crypto books i was reading inside the oversized textbooks featuring &#8220;the classics.&#8221;</p>
<p>don&#8217;t get me wrong.  i&#8217;m glad i read shakespeare and chaucer, too, but&#8230; did they ever hold a candle to the latest, greatest bigfoot tomes?</p>
<p>nawwww&#8230;. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: idle jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>idle jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great to hear about the interest in Loren lecturing at college--how about a short podcast on the site as a taster to get other colleges and schools interested?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear about the interest in Loren lecturing at college&#8211;how about a short podcast on the site as a taster to get other colleges and schools interested?</p>
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