Comments on: New Info: Bigfoot Attack, Bluff Creek, 1958

By: dogu4

dogu4 — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:58:52 +0000

Yeah..the notion of a small band of BF getting together as if to address what would naturally be seen as a threat (and to be truthful, what could be more of a threat to a forest dweller than to see its habitat clearcut?) is intriguing. Or could it just be coincidental to a gathering that might naturally occur for animals instinctively driven to overcome their penchant for solitary existence in order to establish a social relationship with others of its kind (reproductive, territorial or traditional food oriented activity, fish run, or edible plant phenomenon) or maybe a combination of factors. Of course the dominant creatures are more likely to behave in an overt manner and it would seem that tossing steel drums and equipment around might be an expression of that. Brown bears do this by testing each others fitness, famously.

A jet flight over the Coastal Ranges and Cascades these days would suggest why large groups of BF would be unlikely today. The patchwork of cutbanks, sluice outs, clearcuts and reprod areas reveal a completely fragmented forest and one could presume that those impacts would disrupt the social pathways that might have been existent prior to the wholesale roadbuilding and clearcutting of the 70s and 80s.

By: Mnynames

Mnynames — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:07:32 +0000

Since we’re all “what If”-ing here, someone mentioned why there were so few tracks recorded if there were that many BF there. Could it be that a small group found the site and messed with it, while at the same time sending word to others, who then arrived in time to encounter the loggers? I know, I know, total speculation at this point, but if these facts could be established (2-3 BF making tracks, 10-12 BF encountered), then it is suggestive of some sort of communications and group dynamics.

As always, just food for thought…

By: snakeyguitarchick

snakeyguitarchick — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:45:26 +0000

…COOL…

By: greywolf

greywolf — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:30:08 +0000

Firs,t think about number one factor…MONEY, Do I think Wallace made the fakes to get his workers back…Yes..Also BF has had most likely as much time to evolve as we the so called human. Are we really the higher primate? If we have evolved to what we are today from the time man came across the land bridge or the ice flow in the east then why would the BF not have evolved to. He would have to deal with men from cavemen to modern men. I think he would have learned by experience….Who on this site do not believe that any large company or governmental agency would fail to report the facts or make up facts to meet there agends when big bucks are at stake. If BF is still out there the lumber Co.’s and the government really don’t want us to know.

By: dogu4

dogu4 — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:58:19 +0000

DoubleNaught…Right, I follow ya now. As per the news media covering it; I’m sure nobody here places much hope in that happening…we’re all far to interested in easy news and shocked sensibilities. Not many read the news sources nor the corrections…especially if its got any science or complexity to it.
As for intelligence…no doubt they’re intelligent enough to avoid us, though my contention is that we’re guilty of way overestimating our own senses trustworthyness and add insult to injury by thinking that they’re somehow super sensitive. Without a doubt humans’ most highly developed sense is our sense of imagination. Too bad we can’t imagine the kind of life-pattern that a BF or Yeti might have accurately enough to be practical. If we could perhaps we could predict where they’d be and be able to document their existence.

By: CRH

CRH — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:41:34 +0000

Were they protecting offspring?
Were they protecting a food source?
Is there anything unique or special about the specific ecology of that place at that time of year?
Is there anything in common ecologically-speaking between this place and other locations where such behaviour has been reported?
Sometimes it’s useful to expand the range of questions revolving around an incident and relate them to the specific time or geography, something that doesn’t seem to happen all that often or at least be reported all that often. Specific plant species in fruit or bloom? Did the anomaly display signs of being well-fed or undernourished (I know that’s extremely hard to tell or even report on with anything approaching accuracy or relevance)? As with all wildlife, these questions are usually addressed and have a bearing on species habitat and behaviour.

By: mystery_man

mystery_man — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:57:26 +0000

Pentastar- Ok, I see what you were getting at. Of course some of that behavior might not be directly linked to high intelligence and some of these behaviors may not involve logical critical thinking as we know it, I was just illustrating that it has been observed in animals to some extent. And yes, there is definately a high level of cognitive ability at work with this Bigfoot scenario. Great apes have continued to suprise with their level of intelligence and recourcefulness as well as ability to think ahead and plan ahead. So if you consider that planning ahead is not a unique human trait and then add to that the fact that many higher primates exhibit advanced social planning and intelligence, then I find it not too hard to believe that Bigfoot could be exhibiting advanced behaviors such as were displayed here. I do find it a very good observation you made about the throwing of rocks and sticks. I never really thought about the point that no humans were hit, so that definately leads to some interesting theories. Again, more questions being posed!

By: Bob K.

Bob K. — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:42:07 +0000

This hearkens back to the famed “Ape Canyon” attack by a number of bigfoot against a group of miners huddled in their cabin in 1924, apparently after a bigfoot had been shot by one of the miners earlier in the day. So a group action of this sort, while rare, is not without precedent.

By: Double Naught Spy

Double Naught Spy — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:21:38 +0000

dogu4: That’s what I meant. On the face of it, (in the absence of any scenario such as the one described in the above letter) Wallace’s behavior makes no sense. What puzzles me is that the mainstream media misses that, to the extent they pay any attention to the episode at all. Based on a careful reading of the Official Record, one might be forgiven for thinking Wallace was a fool for pulling such a stunt when he was only hurting himself. I don’t think Wallace was a fool at all, and I think there is a lot more to this story than anyone has yet revealed.

I also don’t think Bigfoot is a big dummy. It seems to me that avoiding capture for the last century or so would require a fair amount of brain power, even some creativity.

By: Pentastar

Pentastar — Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:10:51 +0000

Mystery_man. This is a hard nut to crack. I’m aware of plenty of species that “plan ahead” but I’d say that is rather instincts than intelligence in the form of logical thinking. Higher primates are as smart as children (did some research now). Intelligence should be connected to creativity and voila plenty of squirrels etc don’t appear to be so intelligent.

In this very case I’d say the bigfoots showed a high level of meta-cognitive thinking. No doubt that Chimps do that as well. There are examples of Chimps gathering up and systematically attacking neighbouring Chimp flocks or hunting monkeys. Obviously they need to have some form of strategical and logical thinking to manage such tasks.

I guess there is no point in arguing whether higher primates are smart or not.

There is one thing about bigfoots that I have thought about and find very remarkable. They are said to throw rocks and sticks at people who get to close. Apparently, a good method to scare away humans. But what I find interesting about this is that all reports of throwing projectiles describe a rather precise throwing were no humans have been hit. That give us two scenarios. Either bigfoots aim is seriously bad or they deliberately don’t hit the targets. Let’s assume that it’s scenario two. If bigfoots can throw small projectiles with such good aiming it means they are unique and probably very sharp minded. Other higher primates and even small children totally lack the ability of aiming. And I read a lot about it and it seems that is a skill that humans alone have.

Well well, better be careful before I claim that bigfoot is a reincarnation of Einstein.