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		<title>By: MBFH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MBFH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no expert on these things by a long way but just to note that &#039;Hoax&#039; #11 is asymmetrical and that if the toes prints on the real track were not painted they&#039;d look at bit larger than they do.

Egos gone mad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert on these things by a long way but just to note that &#8216;Hoax&#8217; #11 is asymmetrical and that if the toes prints on the real track were not painted they&#8217;d look at bit larger than they do.</p>
<p>Egos gone mad!</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have do doubt that eastern pumas exist and that they have always been here, albeit in very low numbers. They were almost wiped out by the late 19th/early 20th century in most places, but there are places along the Appalachians, in the Ozarks, and in the swamp regions near the Gulf that are as wild today as they were a thousand years ago, and those places have their resident populations of pumas - which are now increasing again.

There is plenty of cover and game in the eastern US. That means there&#039;s a lot of vacant puma territory in the east - plenty of room for dispersing young adults. Therefore I don&#039;t think that there will be a major problem with puma attacks on people in the East, at least not for awhile, because young cats can easily find game. The whole place is swarming with deer, groundhogs, and rabbits. Some areas such as eastern Kentucky have elk herds now and there are lots of wild pigs too, especially in the South. The odd cat here or there may jump a human, and those attacks make international headlines, but there are many documented instances of pumas following people for miles, apparently out of curiosity.

All the same, I am careful in the woods. The woods here are lovely and exuberant, mostly hardwoods like beech and &quot;poplar&quot; (tulip tree), interspersed with large swaths of pine and hemlock. They grow right down to the yards and roads. I&#039;ve had coyotes snatch well-loved cats from the backyard while I gathered flowerpots from the front yard, in broad daylight in the middle of summer. The forests are beautiful and I have run these hills all my life, but I no longer go out into the woods alone. I love cats and I am glad that pumas are repopulating the East. Maybe they&#039;ll eat some of the coyotes! But pumas are big, potentially dangerous predators, so developing the habits of caution and awareness in the woods is just good common sense.

It disgusts me that people who purport to be investigating eastern puma activity would fall to such childish infighting as this. It&#039;s going to take volunteers, lots of volunteers - OBJECTIVE volunteers - to gather the evidence needed to prove the existence of pumas in the East. When these people begin to think they are the sole authorities on the subject their hubris gets in the way of their research.&quot;Official&quot; wildlife agents are spread too thin, and too busy with their other activities, to chase after will-o&#039;the-wisps like pumas that don&#039;t &quot;officially&quot; exist.

Puma tacks vary in size and shape due not only to differences in the cats themselves, but also due to such things as scars and injuries, as well as differences in the terrain where the tracks are found. Sure, some people probably make fake prints. But that doesn&#039;t mean that all the tracks are faked. With a good, clear cat track made under favorable circumstances, a very experienced observer can sometimes tell whether it was a right paw or left paw. So what? Most cats do have two of each. And most prints are not made by pressing a tame captive puma&#039;s paw into clay, but by living animals walking over natural surfaces, shifting their weight as they go. It would be convenient if wild pumas always placed their paws just so, to give the researcher nice clear textbook prints to study. But that&#039;s not the way it works in the real world. Tracks vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have do doubt that eastern pumas exist and that they have always been here, albeit in very low numbers. They were almost wiped out by the late 19th/early 20th century in most places, but there are places along the Appalachians, in the Ozarks, and in the swamp regions near the Gulf that are as wild today as they were a thousand years ago, and those places have their resident populations of pumas &#8211; which are now increasing again.</p>
<p>There is plenty of cover and game in the eastern US. That means there&#8217;s a lot of vacant puma territory in the east &#8211; plenty of room for dispersing young adults. Therefore I don&#8217;t think that there will be a major problem with puma attacks on people in the East, at least not for awhile, because young cats can easily find game. The whole place is swarming with deer, groundhogs, and rabbits. Some areas such as eastern Kentucky have elk herds now and there are lots of wild pigs too, especially in the South. The odd cat here or there may jump a human, and those attacks make international headlines, but there are many documented instances of pumas following people for miles, apparently out of curiosity.</p>
<p>All the same, I am careful in the woods. The woods here are lovely and exuberant, mostly hardwoods like beech and &#8220;poplar&#8221; (tulip tree), interspersed with large swaths of pine and hemlock. They grow right down to the yards and roads. I&#8217;ve had coyotes snatch well-loved cats from the backyard while I gathered flowerpots from the front yard, in broad daylight in the middle of summer. The forests are beautiful and I have run these hills all my life, but I no longer go out into the woods alone. I love cats and I am glad that pumas are repopulating the East. Maybe they&#8217;ll eat some of the coyotes! But pumas are big, potentially dangerous predators, so developing the habits of caution and awareness in the woods is just good common sense.</p>
<p>It disgusts me that people who purport to be investigating eastern puma activity would fall to such childish infighting as this. It&#8217;s going to take volunteers, lots of volunteers &#8211; OBJECTIVE volunteers &#8211; to gather the evidence needed to prove the existence of pumas in the East. When these people begin to think they are the sole authorities on the subject their hubris gets in the way of their research.&#8221;Official&#8221; wildlife agents are spread too thin, and too busy with their other activities, to chase after will-o&#8217;the-wisps like pumas that don&#8217;t &#8220;officially&#8221; exist.</p>
<p>Puma tacks vary in size and shape due not only to differences in the cats themselves, but also due to such things as scars and injuries, as well as differences in the terrain where the tracks are found. Sure, some people probably make fake prints. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that all the tracks are faked. With a good, clear cat track made under favorable circumstances, a very experienced observer can sometimes tell whether it was a right paw or left paw. So what? Most cats do have two of each. And most prints are not made by pressing a tame captive puma&#8217;s paw into clay, but by living animals walking over natural surfaces, shifting their weight as they go. It would be convenient if wild pumas always placed their paws just so, to give the researcher nice clear textbook prints to study. But that&#8217;s not the way it works in the real world. Tracks vary.</p>
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		<title>By: joppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>joppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A cougar could walk the length of the Berkshires  two, maybe three days.The cats can travel 200 miles in a week. One cat could travel all over the Northeast in a summer, just like the bears that travel the length of Kentucky and Tennessee every summer from the Smokies. THERE ARE WILD PUMAS IN THE EASTERN U.S. What&#039;s the big deal !!!!  There are bears, moose, wolverines, bobcats, foxes, coyotes and even armadillos traveling all over the place.

These folks have got too much of their egos invested in this. When a puma is run over by a fan leaving Foxboro stadium, it will be an interesting news item, but Ho-hum, it&#039;s not going to win anyone a Nobel prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cougar could walk the length of the Berkshires  two, maybe three days.The cats can travel 200 miles in a week. One cat could travel all over the Northeast in a summer, just like the bears that travel the length of Kentucky and Tennessee every summer from the Smokies. THERE ARE WILD PUMAS IN THE EASTERN U.S. What&#8217;s the big deal !!!!  There are bears, moose, wolverines, bobcats, foxes, coyotes and even armadillos traveling all over the place.</p>
<p>These folks have got too much of their egos invested in this. When a puma is run over by a fan leaving Foxboro stadium, it will be an interesting news item, but Ho-hum, it&#8217;s not going to win anyone a Nobel prize.</p>
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		<title>By: CASReaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>CASReaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s to say that there ISN&#039;T still a small population of cougars in the Eastern U.S.? The Florida Panther (cougar) is still hanging on by the slick of its teeth and the tips of its claws.  So why COULDN&#039;T a small population of cougars still survive in the wilder areas of the East? There is a place near me here in northwest Georgia called Fort Mountain State Park. The whole place is set up to be bear proof. Why? because there are loads of black bears there (which is why our Cub Scout Pack vetoed it as the place to do our end-of year campout). Why couldn&#039;t cougars be there - or even in the even more remote areas of the Chattahoochee National Forest? I&#039;d LOVE to see Red Wolves reintroduced here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s to say that there ISN&#8217;T still a small population of cougars in the Eastern U.S.? The Florida Panther (cougar) is still hanging on by the slick of its teeth and the tips of its claws.  So why COULDN&#8217;T a small population of cougars still survive in the wilder areas of the East? There is a place near me here in northwest Georgia called Fort Mountain State Park. The whole place is set up to be bear proof. Why? because there are loads of black bears there (which is why our Cub Scout Pack vetoed it as the place to do our end-of year campout). Why couldn&#8217;t cougars be there &#8211; or even in the even more remote areas of the Chattahoochee National Forest? I&#8217;d LOVE to see Red Wolves reintroduced here.</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Eyed Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the dark  side of human nature rears it&#039;s ugly head again.

This kind of Juvenile stuff happens everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the dark  side of human nature rears it&#8217;s ugly head again.</p>
<p>This kind of Juvenile stuff happens everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon, folks ~ aren&#039;t there cougars in captivity somewhere?  Can&#039;t SOMEBODY produce some decently detailed, unambiguous prints and castings from a known animal to be utilized as a comparative standard?

Acting like a bunch of juveniles... grumble... mumble...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, folks ~ aren&#8217;t there cougars in captivity somewhere?  Can&#8217;t SOMEBODY produce some decently detailed, unambiguous prints and castings from a known animal to be utilized as a comparative standard?</p>
<p>Acting like a bunch of juveniles&#8230; grumble&#8230; mumble&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, and all this debating and argueing over an animal that is KNOWN to exist. Even debates over the existence of Bigfoot don&#039;t always get this heated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, and all this debating and argueing over an animal that is KNOWN to exist. Even debates over the existence of Bigfoot don&#8217;t always get this heated!</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that everyone who sends money to these two organizations sees these articles so that they will see what their money is REALLY supporting.

I&#039;d like to know how exactly this little feud is furthering eastern Puma research?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that everyone who sends money to these two organizations sees these articles so that they will see what their money is REALLY supporting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know how exactly this little feud is furthering eastern Puma research?</p>
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		<title>By: inujo</title>
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		<dc:creator>inujo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand all the &quot;bone&quot; talk.  I&#039;ve seen domestic cat prints my whole life. Ones in the snow, Muddy tracks up and down and across a car, in the sand, in the mud etc.  They always had the pad and toes in the print.

What so special about a big cat not leaving the same type of print?

I went out just a few moments ago to check the Tabby prints in the snow. I couldn&#039;t tell which was the right or left except by seeing the direction of the tracks.

I have a small dog.  The difference in their tracks were the cat&#039;s had no claw marks because he retracts his claws when he walks.

I&#039;ve noticed that Bears and wolves and coyotes all leave claw marks too.

What do I know? I&#039;m just a common folk from Indiana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand all the &#8220;bone&#8221; talk.  I&#8217;ve seen domestic cat prints my whole life. Ones in the snow, Muddy tracks up and down and across a car, in the sand, in the mud etc.  They always had the pad and toes in the print.</p>
<p>What so special about a big cat not leaving the same type of print?</p>
<p>I went out just a few moments ago to check the Tabby prints in the snow. I couldn&#8217;t tell which was the right or left except by seeing the direction of the tracks.</p>
<p>I have a small dog.  The difference in their tracks were the cat&#8217;s had no claw marks because he retracts his claws when he walks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that Bears and wolves and coyotes all leave claw marks too.</p>
<p>What do I know? I&#8217;m just a common folk from Indiana.</p>
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