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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/beast-bolivia/#comment-38130</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DARHOP- No problem! I'm glad you brought it up because I actually learned quite a bit by looking up the information. Glad I could pass some of it along.

Most of those figures seem to be average statistics and can vary depending on the individual animal. I found some additional statistics that measured some big and exceptionally strong dogs, such as mastiffs, as having an even higher bite force compared to other dogs. Some of the big boys, according to these sources, can achieve a bite force of up to a maximum of 450 psi although the average is lower. Impressive, but still not comparable to a wolf.

Like I said, it seems like bite strength is difficult to accurately calculate and get a good sample for. Not only do you have to get the animal to bite where you want for measurement, but it is difficult to tell if you are getting the animal's maximum strength out of the bite. There are a lot of factors involved, but those figures I stated above seem reasonably accurate and are from good sources rather than unsubstantiated claims or heresay, a lot of which abounds on the net.

A big dog might be able to squeeze out more biting force in extraordinary circumstances, but nevertheless I think it is safe to say that the claims of 2,400 psi and even 3,000 psi are no more than myth and misinformation.

Incidentally, it seems that wolverines have one of the higher pound for pound bite strengths relative to size. It also might be interesting to know that marsupials have a stronger bite force in relation to body size than other mammals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DARHOP- No problem! I&#8217;m glad you brought it up because I actually learned quite a bit by looking up the information. Glad I could pass some of it along.</p>
<p>Most of those figures seem to be average statistics and can vary depending on the individual animal. I found some additional statistics that measured some big and exceptionally strong dogs, such as mastiffs, as having an even higher bite force compared to other dogs. Some of the big boys, according to these sources, can achieve a bite force of up to a maximum of 450 psi although the average is lower. Impressive, but still not comparable to a wolf.</p>
<p>Like I said, it seems like bite strength is difficult to accurately calculate and get a good sample for. Not only do you have to get the animal to bite where you want for measurement, but it is difficult to tell if you are getting the animal&#8217;s maximum strength out of the bite. There are a lot of factors involved, but those figures I stated above seem reasonably accurate and are from good sources rather than unsubstantiated claims or heresay, a lot of which abounds on the net.</p>
<p>A big dog might be able to squeeze out more biting force in extraordinary circumstances, but nevertheless I think it is safe to say that the claims of 2,400 psi and even 3,000 psi are no more than myth and misinformation.</p>
<p>Incidentally, it seems that wolverines have one of the higher pound for pound bite strengths relative to size. It also might be interesting to know that marsupials have a stronger bite force in relation to body size than other mammals.</p>
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		<title>By: DARHOP</title>
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		<dc:creator>DARHOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helps a lot, mystery_man. I thought that 2400 lbs seemed a bit much.
Good thing I didn't actually "bite" on that figure. Just threw it out their after I read it. I knew you would come back with some better information than what I saw. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helps a lot, mystery_man. I thought that 2400 lbs seemed a bit much.<br />
Good thing I didn&#8217;t actually &#8220;bite&#8221; on that figure. Just threw it out their after I read it. I knew you would come back with some better information than what I saw. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/beast-bolivia/#comment-38128</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DARHOP- I did some digging on animal bite strengths and found some interesting statistics. One thing that has to be remembered is that it seems there have not been many thorough scientific studies into animal bite strength and it seems like a notoriously difficult figure to accurately and consistently pin down. A lot of the information I found, seemingly from reputable sources, listed different figures. I only looked at solid sources and some rough figures I found were-

Human- Around 120 psi, although one source said up to 170 psi.
Alligator- 2,000 psi and over. (all the way up to 2,500 psi.)
bear- Around 750 psi
Lions- Listed as anywhere from 700 to 900 psi.
Hyenas- 1,000 psi.
Wolf- 500 to 700 psi. (claims of 1,500 psi seem exaggerated.)
Average labrador- Around 200 psi.

You can see that this is not an exact science here.

One thing that seems very apparent, however is that the extreme biting strengths attributed to pit bulls and rottweilers that you might have heard, are a myth. It seems the only substantial scientific studies done have come up with a maximum of 330 psi of bite force for a domesticated dog, and that figure was a rottweiler's bite. A German Shephard's was around 220 psi.

Bite force seems to be a tricky thing to measure, but one thing that is very apparent from what research I was able to do is that 2,400 psi for a dog bite is an extremely overblown figure.  Anyway, hope this helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DARHOP- I did some digging on animal bite strengths and found some interesting statistics. One thing that has to be remembered is that it seems there have not been many thorough scientific studies into animal bite strength and it seems like a notoriously difficult figure to accurately and consistently pin down. A lot of the information I found, seemingly from reputable sources, listed different figures. I only looked at solid sources and some rough figures I found were-</p>
<p>Human- Around 120 psi, although one source said up to 170 psi.<br />
Alligator- 2,000 psi and over. (all the way up to 2,500 psi.)<br />
bear- Around 750 psi<br />
Lions- Listed as anywhere from 700 to 900 psi.<br />
Hyenas- 1,000 psi.<br />
Wolf- 500 to 700 psi. (claims of 1,500 psi seem exaggerated.)<br />
Average labrador- Around 200 psi.</p>
<p>You can see that this is not an exact science here.</p>
<p>One thing that seems very apparent, however is that the extreme biting strengths attributed to pit bulls and rottweilers that you might have heard, are a myth. It seems the only substantial scientific studies done have come up with a maximum of 330 psi of bite force for a domesticated dog, and that figure was a rottweiler&#8217;s bite. A German Shephard&#8217;s was around 220 psi.</p>
<p>Bite force seems to be a tricky thing to measure, but one thing that is very apparent from what research I was able to do is that 2,400 psi for a dog bite is an extremely overblown figure.  Anyway, hope this helps!</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/beast-bolivia/#comment-38127</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DARHOP- I don't know where you read that, but a rottweiler does not have a bite power of 2,400 psi. If you consider that a lion has a bite power of around 700 psi and a hyena around 1,000psi, I find that figure unlikely. Anyway, a wolf's bite IS stronger than even a rottweiler's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DARHOP- I don&#8217;t know where you read that, but a rottweiler does not have a bite power of 2,400 psi. If you consider that a lion has a bite power of around 700 psi and a hyena around 1,000psi, I find that figure unlikely. Anyway, a wolf&#8217;s bite IS stronger than even a rottweiler&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: DARHOP</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/beast-bolivia/#comment-38126</link>
		<dc:creator>DARHOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit though, I do not know how true this is. Let me throw that in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit though, I do not know how true this is. Let me throw that in.</p>
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		<title>By: DARHOP</title>
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		<dc:creator>DARHOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mystery_man, I don't know if I agree that a wolf has a more powerful bite that "all" domestic dogs.  I just read that a Rott has a bite of 2400 lbs. per square inch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mystery_man, I don&#8217;t know if I agree that a wolf has a more powerful bite that &#8220;all&#8221; domestic dogs.  I just read that a Rott has a bite of 2400 lbs. per square inch.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DARHOP- You are right, I'd actually say the wolf wins 10 times out of 10, unless the pit is a trained fighter. If the wolves are in a pack, the dog has no chance at all, these are after all predators that can take down moose far larger than themselves. Wolves have a much more powerful bite than any domestic dog and as was said before, they are keen predators that have to eat to survive whereas domestic dogs have been bred over many generations to be more docile as pets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DARHOP- You are right, I&#8217;d actually say the wolf wins 10 times out of 10, unless the pit is a trained fighter. If the wolves are in a pack, the dog has no chance at all, these are after all predators that can take down moose far larger than themselves. Wolves have a much more powerful bite than any domestic dog and as was said before, they are keen predators that have to eat to survive whereas domestic dogs have been bred over many generations to be more docile as pets.</p>
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		<title>By: DARHOP</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/beast-bolivia/#comment-38123</link>
		<dc:creator>DARHOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting story. I'm going to have to contact some friends that live in NC and see if they have heard about any of this.

As far as the Wolf vs Pit debate. The wolf wins 9 out of 10 times. Trained killing pit or not. The wolf wins. Just my opinion. I use to have a St. Bernard crossed with a Red Doberman. His name was Grubb. He was huge. And he had no problem with any pit that came in his yard, and there were a few. Only dog he ever had a problem with was a neighbor's hybrid wolf. But Grubb still came out on top. Boy did that dog eat a lot. It's how he got his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting story. I&#8217;m going to have to contact some friends that live in NC and see if they have heard about any of this.</p>
<p>As far as the Wolf vs Pit debate. The wolf wins 9 out of 10 times. Trained killing pit or not. The wolf wins. Just my opinion. I use to have a St. Bernard crossed with a Red Doberman. His name was Grubb. He was huge. And he had no problem with any pit that came in his yard, and there were a few. Only dog he ever had a problem with was a neighbor&#8217;s hybrid wolf. But Grubb still came out on top. Boy did that dog eat a lot. It&#8217;s how he got his name.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/beast-bolivia/#comment-38122</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kittenz- Another thing is that I am quite aware of pack behavior and canine social dynamics, I do know a thing or two about these things. :)  I agree that the so called "red zone" is a little dramatic, but I suppose anyone witnessing it first hand may be inclined to be shocked by what they see if they didn't know any better and so we get monikers like that. In the end, though, it is quite normal behavior for these animals.

Something you mention that I really think hits the nail on the head is the lack of fear that feral dogs will have towards humans. As I said earlier, many natural predators can be wary and cautious, but this is not so with feral dogs. They are bold, cunning, and just do not have that natural shyness, which makes them dangerous. This lack of fear, coupled with a good size pack, can make even a group of relatively small feral dogs a force to be reckoned with. They seem to be willing to attack larger animals with little or no regard for their own safety and the fact that several could be shot, yet still attack, is not really that surprising to me.

The coyotes I think are also exactly as you describe. They are elusive, yes, but in recent days it seems they have been getting quite the reputation for being aggressive and bold. They are another animal that displays less wariness than some other predators, and are more willing to make forays near human settlements. They also do not seem to be deterred by barking dogs very much and from what i've heard have no qualms at all about attacking even larger dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kittenz- Another thing is that I am quite aware of pack behavior and canine social dynamics, I do know a thing or two about these things. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I agree that the so called &#8220;red zone&#8221; is a little dramatic, but I suppose anyone witnessing it first hand may be inclined to be shocked by what they see if they didn&#8217;t know any better and so we get monikers like that. In the end, though, it is quite normal behavior for these animals.</p>
<p>Something you mention that I really think hits the nail on the head is the lack of fear that feral dogs will have towards humans. As I said earlier, many natural predators can be wary and cautious, but this is not so with feral dogs. They are bold, cunning, and just do not have that natural shyness, which makes them dangerous. This lack of fear, coupled with a good size pack, can make even a group of relatively small feral dogs a force to be reckoned with. They seem to be willing to attack larger animals with little or no regard for their own safety and the fact that several could be shot, yet still attack, is not really that surprising to me.</p>
<p>The coyotes I think are also exactly as you describe. They are elusive, yes, but in recent days it seems they have been getting quite the reputation for being aggressive and bold. They are another animal that displays less wariness than some other predators, and are more willing to make forays near human settlements. They also do not seem to be deterred by barking dogs very much and from what i&#8217;ve heard have no qualms at all about attacking even larger dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kittenz- I'm sure wolves do kill dogs and absolutely anyone on the fringes of society, out in wolf country would likely have that problem. I was not really talking about a lone dog wandering out in wolf country, but rather the likelihood of this happening if a wolf ventured near human habitation to encounter a large barking dog. I have heard many stories of dogs successfully deterring predators such as this in such a situation. I am not disputing that dogs are killed by wolves and I'm not trying to argue with you. I just think it is more of an opportunistic thing and like you said, I do not believe they would normally venture into human settlements to go actively hunting for dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kittenz- I&#8217;m sure wolves do kill dogs and absolutely anyone on the fringes of society, out in wolf country would likely have that problem. I was not really talking about a lone dog wandering out in wolf country, but rather the likelihood of this happening if a wolf ventured near human habitation to encounter a large barking dog. I have heard many stories of dogs successfully deterring predators such as this in such a situation. I am not disputing that dogs are killed by wolves and I&#8217;m not trying to argue with you. I just think it is more of an opportunistic thing and like you said, I do not believe they would normally venture into human settlements to go actively hunting for dogs.</p>
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