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		<title>By: archer1945</title>
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		<dc:creator>archer1945</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would suggest some of you read the report from Alaska about the race. This is not a new event, it has been going on for a number of years. However, this year, I forget why the usual course was not used. If I&#039;m not mistaken all riders were equipped with bells and other noise makers to let bears know they were in the area. However when this incident occurred an extremely strong wind was blowing making it almost impossible to hear anything, the rescue party stated they had an extremely difficult time hearing each other.

The rider who found her and actually alerted the emergency crews happened to hear her cellphone go off when the 911 people called back because the phone had gone dead when she was able, barely, to call for help. The person who found her literally put his own life on the line to stay with her until help arrived. He said he was never so scared  because even though it was some light, it was not that light, and with the wind blowing there was no way he could hear a thing and all he knew was this girl had been able to tell him it was a bear that attacked her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest some of you read the report from Alaska about the race. This is not a new event, it has been going on for a number of years. However, this year, I forget why the usual course was not used. If I&#8217;m not mistaken all riders were equipped with bells and other noise makers to let bears know they were in the area. However when this incident occurred an extremely strong wind was blowing making it almost impossible to hear anything, the rescue party stated they had an extremely difficult time hearing each other.</p>
<p>The rider who found her and actually alerted the emergency crews happened to hear her cellphone go off when the 911 people called back because the phone had gone dead when she was able, barely, to call for help. The person who found her literally put his own life on the line to stay with her until help arrived. He said he was never so scared  because even though it was some light, it was not that light, and with the wind blowing there was no way he could hear a thing and all he knew was this girl had been able to tell him it was a bear that attacked her.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using bear attacks that end in tragedy as a way to poke fun at a particular group strikes me as someone who has no class whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using bear attacks that end in tragedy as a way to poke fun at a particular group strikes me as someone who has no class whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hoosier/red_pill:

Alaska is one of those places they say:  if you go there, you ain&#039;t passin&#039; through, you&#039;re goin&#039; there.

Not sure we can use riders-didn&#039;t-know as an excuse.  The riders would have had to be pretty ignorant; bears practically staff every AK chamber of commerce.  The organizers certainly had no excuse not to warn every contestant:  riding this one is risk of life, and we aren&#039;t talking heatstroke.

This is what you call your objective difficulties here.  I agree with Amdusias:  This is like a horror film where they go:  what&#039;s the most likely strategy to get us all picked off by the monster, one by one with no chance of helping each other?  GREAT.  Let&#039;s do that!

Oh.  They all DO do that, don&#039;t they...?  And yeah, when I&#039;m watching those, suspending disbelief is the last thing I&#039;m doing.

I still have to say:  when you sign up for a ride like this, you have to recognize more risks than improper tire pressure.  And I&#039;m not inclined to continue to put all the onus on the organizers, although yeah, I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY DID THIS.  I require brains to be attached to all those pumping quads out there.

If we are going to have mass events like this, every participant has to be responsible for his or her participation.  Completely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoosier/red_pill:</p>
<p>Alaska is one of those places they say:  if you go there, you ain&#8217;t passin&#8217; through, you&#8217;re goin&#8217; there.</p>
<p>Not sure we can use riders-didn&#8217;t-know as an excuse.  The riders would have had to be pretty ignorant; bears practically staff every AK chamber of commerce.  The organizers certainly had no excuse not to warn every contestant:  riding this one is risk of life, and we aren&#8217;t talking heatstroke.</p>
<p>This is what you call your objective difficulties here.  I agree with Amdusias:  This is like a horror film where they go:  what&#8217;s the most likely strategy to get us all picked off by the monster, one by one with no chance of helping each other?  GREAT.  Let&#8217;s do that!</p>
<p>Oh.  They all DO do that, don&#8217;t they&#8230;?  And yeah, when I&#8217;m watching those, suspending disbelief is the last thing I&#8217;m doing.</p>
<p>I still have to say:  when you sign up for a ride like this, you have to recognize more risks than improper tire pressure.  And I&#8217;m not inclined to continue to put all the onus on the organizers, although yeah, I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY DID THIS.  I require brains to be attached to all those pumping quads out there.</p>
<p>If we are going to have mass events like this, every participant has to be responsible for his or her participation.  Completely.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cryptidsrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amdusias:

If that was &quot;satire&quot;, it&#039;s not very funny, either.

More unneeded ridicule for cryptozoologists...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amdusias:</p>
<p>If that was &#8220;satire&#8221;, it&#8217;s not very funny, either.</p>
<p>More unneeded ridicule for cryptozoologists&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HOOSIERHUNTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>HOOSIERHUNTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DWA-I agree, and I didn&#039;t bring up the idea of suing the organizers. But the article doesn&#039;t state whether these riders were native Alaskans, new arrivals, or from out of state or a mixture. If they lived there long enough to know the danger then I completely agree. If they were from all over the country then they may not have been aware of the danger. Irregardless, I believe the organizers of the event should have made every effort to make the riders aware of the dangers, but frankly we don&#039;t know to what extent they did try to make the riders safe. Hopefully, they will have learned a lesson and not try to tempt bears with meals-on-wheels again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA-I agree, and I didn&#8217;t bring up the idea of suing the organizers. But the article doesn&#8217;t state whether these riders were native Alaskans, new arrivals, or from out of state or a mixture. If they lived there long enough to know the danger then I completely agree. If they were from all over the country then they may not have been aware of the danger. Irregardless, I believe the organizers of the event should have made every effort to make the riders aware of the dangers, but frankly we don&#8217;t know to what extent they did try to make the riders safe. Hopefully, they will have learned a lesson and not try to tempt bears with meals-on-wheels again!</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DWA, you may be correct, but nevertheless it would be interesting to know if the organizers properly informed the race participants about the threat of bears on the area. Or maybe the organizers were counting on the bears being hibernating, but didn&#039;t consider the possibility that climate change disrupt the natural cycles of these animals.

And you&#039;re right, I like you think that people shouldn&#039;t consider the countryside as an extension of the backyard. Last month WIRED magazine mentioned this on their article about the Enviroment, when they promoted urban living as a greener alternative to suburbs encrouching natural habitats—Of course, this was the opinion of Manhattanites, so it&#039;s not difficult to see it may be somewhat biased ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA, you may be correct, but nevertheless it would be interesting to know if the organizers properly informed the race participants about the threat of bears on the area. Or maybe the organizers were counting on the bears being hibernating, but didn&#8217;t consider the possibility that climate change disrupt the natural cycles of these animals.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, I like you think that people shouldn&#8217;t consider the countryside as an extension of the backyard. Last month WIRED magazine mentioned this on their article about the Enviroment, when they promoted urban living as a greener alternative to suburbs encrouching natural habitats—Of course, this was the opinion of Manhattanites, so it&#8217;s not difficult to see it may be somewhat biased <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch.  My apologies to Alaskans.  I completely forgot what time of year this is.
Just like you don&#039;t hike alone in bear country, though, I presume the rule is you should not bike alone in it, either, and the racers were no doubt strung out by that point in the race.  Given the earlier incident with the hikers, it would seem sensible to have patrols on the course during low-light periods and require everyone to carry repellant. Whether such precautions were taken (they would not, of course, be a guarantee) is not stated in the article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch.  My apologies to Alaskans.  I completely forgot what time of year this is.<br />
Just like you don&#8217;t hike alone in bear country, though, I presume the rule is you should not bike alone in it, either, and the racers were no doubt strung out by that point in the race.  Given the earlier incident with the hikers, it would seem sensible to have patrols on the course during low-light periods and require everyone to carry repellant. Whether such precautions were taken (they would not, of course, be a guarantee) is not stated in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmmmm....

red_pill_junkie responds:

&quot;I agree whole-heartedly with HoosieHuneter and Joe Levit. IMO that poor girl should sue the organization that promoted this competition.&quot;

Wait, now.  She was not drugged and smuggled to Alaska and strapped to the back of a bike.  SHE HAD TO VOLUNTARILY REGISTER TO PARTICIPATE.

If you do anything outdoors in Alaska, you are responsible to know about bears, and to recognize that all your precautions might not be enough.

I&#039;ve railed much, on other forums, about people who use wild country and the places that adjoin it as mass playgrounds.  That&#039;s disrespectful.  I sure hope an animal that was simply trying to teach us a little respect doesn&#039;t suffer for it.

And actually I wouldn&#039;t be too surprised if most people associated with the event agree, and consider themselves duly chastised.  If not, they need to run their next bike race somewhere safe, like Illinois.  AFTER checking for bears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>red_pill_junkie responds:</p>
<p>&#8220;I agree whole-heartedly with HoosieHuneter and Joe Levit. IMO that poor girl should sue the organization that promoted this competition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait, now.  She was not drugged and smuggled to Alaska and strapped to the back of a bike.  SHE HAD TO VOLUNTARILY REGISTER TO PARTICIPATE.</p>
<p>If you do anything outdoors in Alaska, you are responsible to know about bears, and to recognize that all your precautions might not be enough.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve railed much, on other forums, about people who use wild country and the places that adjoin it as mass playgrounds.  That&#8217;s disrespectful.  I sure hope an animal that was simply trying to teach us a little respect doesn&#8217;t suffer for it.</p>
<p>And actually I wouldn&#8217;t be too surprised if most people associated with the event agree, and consider themselves duly chastised.  If not, they need to run their next bike race somewhere safe, like Illinois.  AFTER checking for bears.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All night in Anchorage this time of the year is all daylight, or at least dusk.
When you have darkness up there, ironically, the bears are typically hibernating.
Never the less, I would be surprised if this changes much regarding behavior for Alaskan enthusiasts anymore than auto-accidents which kill 40 thousand in the US lower 48 every year, stop them from going on drives.
And, having lived in Anchorage and other locations in bear country in the past, I can say that I&#039;d take the bears over the auto-accidents and other urban threats, anytime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All night in Anchorage this time of the year is all daylight, or at least dusk.<br />
When you have darkness up there, ironically, the bears are typically hibernating.<br />
Never the less, I would be surprised if this changes much regarding behavior for Alaskan enthusiasts anymore than auto-accidents which kill 40 thousand in the US lower 48 every year, stop them from going on drives.<br />
And, having lived in Anchorage and other locations in bear country in the past, I can say that I&#8217;d take the bears over the auto-accidents and other urban threats, anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree whole-heartedly with HoosieHuneter and Joe Levit. IMO that poor girl should sue the organization that promoted this competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree whole-heartedly with HoosieHuneter and Joe Levit. IMO that poor girl should sue the organization that promoted this competition.</p>
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