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	<title>Comments on: The Bayer Stone Head:  What Is It?</title>
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		<title>By: taiina</title>
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		<dc:creator>taiina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patina is aquired by time exposure and handling, not by an item being interred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patina is aquired by time exposure and handling, not by an item being interred.</p>
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		<title>By: taiina</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bayer-stone-head/#comment-55884</link>
		<dc:creator>taiina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This appears to be a stone sculpture of a Native American male. What some perceive as a grin, or an apes' lip is instead the man's neck with a necklace or scarf around his neck. His actual mouth/lip is a slight indentation below his nose. A university physical/cultural anthropologist may come to residence to check out piece at least for a visual inspection. He/she may recommend a reputable private/public agency to properly carbon date, etc.
Interesting piece, authentic or not; some of us can only afford replicas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to be a stone sculpture of a Native American male. What some perceive as a grin, or an apes&#8217; lip is instead the man&#8217;s neck with a necklace or scarf around his neck. His actual mouth/lip is a slight indentation below his nose. A university physical/cultural anthropologist may come to residence to check out piece at least for a visual inspection. He/she may recommend a reputable private/public agency to properly carbon date, etc.<br />
Interesting piece, authentic or not; some of us can only afford replicas.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bayer-stone-head/#comment-10945</link>
		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simulacrum of the speleotheme variety, as anyone who has spent time amid cave formations can readily relate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simulacrum of the speleotheme variety, as anyone who has spent time amid cave formations can readily relate.</p>
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		<title>By: Riley</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bayer-stone-head/#comment-10944</link>
		<dc:creator>Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like a sculpture by &lt;a href="http://www.eldritchdark.com/galleries/by-cas/"&gt;Clark Ashton Smith&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like a sculpture by <a href="http://www.eldritchdark.com/galleries/by-cas/">Clark Ashton Smith</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: dontgd</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bayer-stone-head/#comment-10943</link>
		<dc:creator>dontgd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skeptics say that we are trained by evolution to look for faces, etc. It's Ape-like because we know what apes look like.  Think of the Komodo dragon translated into the symbolic, artistic Chinese Dragon. There could be many things beyond North American Apes.  What strikes me, though, is the insistence that this was a 1932 item. Two friends at my 10th high school reunion told stories about me at Marching Band Camp. I was never in the band. Two of the guys had independently (?) translated an event from University Orientation into Marching Band Camp and that was merely 10 years later! The 1932 date and the four foot depth is nothing more than a guess to me because I have valid reasons to doubt them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptics say that we are trained by evolution to look for faces, etc. It&#8217;s Ape-like because we know what apes look like.  Think of the Komodo dragon translated into the symbolic, artistic Chinese Dragon. There could be many things beyond North American Apes.  What strikes me, though, is the insistence that this was a 1932 item. Two friends at my 10th high school reunion told stories about me at Marching Band Camp. I was never in the band. Two of the guys had independently (?) translated an event from University Orientation into Marching Band Camp and that was merely 10 years later! The 1932 date and the four foot depth is nothing more than a guess to me because I have valid reasons to doubt them.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Maltby</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bayer-stone-head/#comment-10942</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Maltby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live near there, so let me put it in some context for you. While I don't know where in New Paltz this was found, it could be  relatively close to two other claims of Bigfoot sightings in Ulster County. I'm going to assume for our purposes that a New Paltz origin for this might be more likely to be in the western part of the town, closer to the caves in the Shawungunk Ridge.

An entry on BFRO relates a &lt;a href="http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=8064"&gt;1985 sighting&lt;/a&gt; by two women of a large hairy biped near the entrance to Ice Cave Mountain in Cragsmoor. This would be about a 10-12 mile hike from western New Paltz.

There is a report of an &lt;a href="http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/news/seeing.html"&gt;alleged "baby" Bigfoot&lt;/a&gt; found on a 1997 videotape shot near Lembo Lake in Modena, of Route 44/45. This would be only about 5 miles south of western New Paltz, and about a 10-12 miles hike also from Cragsmoor.

The &lt;a href="http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/Shawangunk_Ridge"&gt;Shawangunk Ridge&lt;/a&gt; (pronounced "Shongum") is an imposing mountain ridge in southern Ulster County. It is often referred to as "The Gunks" by the many climbers who find its cliffs to be great climbing. I've read about at least one secluded area in the Gunks that  as far as anyone knows has not been previously documented as being known by anyone in modern or historical times.

Loren, if you can get more information on the exact place where it was found, I could see what the area is like next time I'm down there (which may not be for a while, though). If you prefer to do so privately, I can give you my email address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live near there, so let me put it in some context for you. While I don&#8217;t know where in New Paltz this was found, it could be  relatively close to two other claims of Bigfoot sightings in Ulster County. I&#8217;m going to assume for our purposes that a New Paltz origin for this might be more likely to be in the western part of the town, closer to the caves in the Shawungunk Ridge.</p>
<p>An entry on BFRO relates a <a href="http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=8064">1985 sighting</a> by two women of a large hairy biped near the entrance to Ice Cave Mountain in Cragsmoor. This would be about a 10-12 mile hike from western New Paltz.</p>
<p>There is a report of an <a href="http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/news/seeing.html">alleged &#8220;baby&#8221; Bigfoot</a> found on a 1997 videotape shot near Lembo Lake in Modena, of Route 44/45. This would be only about 5 miles south of western New Paltz, and about a 10-12 miles hike also from Cragsmoor.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/Shawangunk_Ridge">Shawangunk Ridge</a> (pronounced &#8220;Shongum&#8221;) is an imposing mountain ridge in southern Ulster County. It is often referred to as &#8220;The Gunks&#8221; by the many climbers who find its cliffs to be great climbing. I&#8217;ve read about at least one secluded area in the Gunks that  as far as anyone knows has not been previously documented as being known by anyone in modern or historical times.</p>
<p>Loren, if you can get more information on the exact place where it was found, I could see what the area is like next time I&#8217;m down there (which may not be for a while, though). If you prefer to do so privately, I can give you my email address.</p>
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		<title>By: Nachzehrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nachzehrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the heads certainly are ape-like but I do think seals are a more likely possibility. Compare the most ape-like of the heads with &lt;a href="http://www.veganpeace.com/animal_facts/Seals.htm"&gt;this picture&lt;/a&gt; for example. There are the same "wide-awake" eyes, similar nostrils, even lines that could be whiskers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the heads certainly are ape-like but I do think seals are a more likely possibility. Compare the most ape-like of the heads with <a href="http://www.veganpeace.com/animal_facts/Seals.htm">this picture</a> for example. There are the same &#8220;wide-awake&#8221; eyes, similar nostrils, even lines that could be whiskers.</p>
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		<title>By: Time213</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time213</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ask "What other types of stone heads exist within the archaeological record for the East?"

In the southeast, at Sequoya Caverns and Ellis Homestead, Valley Head, AL, at the end of one of the cave tours there is a large stone head on display that was found lying in a hay field some years back. It is the property of a Mr. Clark Byers. From what I can remember it is about two feet wide by a foot and a half or so high.

The stone head is flat and in the shape of a half circle and is carved with what appears to be a native american wearing a headress. It looks similar to the Mayan carvings in a way but more primitive.

I'll see if I can scan the pic I took of it this past summer and e-mail it to ya.

For more info on it, you can contact the owner of the land through &lt;a href="http://www.sequoyahcaverns.com/contact.htm"&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ask &#8220;What other types of stone heads exist within the archaeological record for the East?&#8221;</p>
<p>In the southeast, at Sequoya Caverns and Ellis Homestead, Valley Head, AL, at the end of one of the cave tours there is a large stone head on display that was found lying in a hay field some years back. It is the property of a Mr. Clark Byers. From what I can remember it is about two feet wide by a foot and a half or so high.</p>
<p>The stone head is flat and in the shape of a half circle and is carved with what appears to be a native american wearing a headress. It looks similar to the Mayan carvings in a way but more primitive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see if I can scan the pic I took of it this past summer and e-mail it to ya.</p>
<p>For more info on it, you can contact the owner of the land through <a href="http://www.sequoyahcaverns.com/contact.htm">this link</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nachzehrer,

No disrespect meant to the art historian you spoke to, but having worked with seals as a young man and having lived in a cabin on a west coast island and hunted them for food, I can't find any resemblance between seals and those masks. Perhaps the person you spoke with just didn't believe in the possible existence of Sasquatch and could only imagine the masks as representing seals. I managed to find a couple articles I found interesting, one concerning masks and another regarding carved stone heads.

In 1887, the paleontologist Othniel Charles Marsh wrote, "Among the many stone carvings (from the Columbia) were a number of heads, which so strongly resemble those of apes that the likeness at once presents itself." Around 1914, a Leutenant G.T. Eammons obtained one of two wood facemasks that were collected from the Tshimsian and Nisga's tribes on the coast of British Columbia. He described the mask as "a mythical being found in the woods, and called today as a monkey."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nachzehrer,</p>
<p>No disrespect meant to the art historian you spoke to, but having worked with seals as a young man and having lived in a cabin on a west coast island and hunted them for food, I can&#8217;t find any resemblance between seals and those masks. Perhaps the person you spoke with just didn&#8217;t believe in the possible existence of Sasquatch and could only imagine the masks as representing seals. I managed to find a couple articles I found interesting, one concerning masks and another regarding carved stone heads.</p>
<p>In 1887, the paleontologist Othniel Charles Marsh wrote, &#8220;Among the many stone carvings (from the Columbia) were a number of heads, which so strongly resemble those of apes that the likeness at once presents itself.&#8221; Around 1914, a Leutenant G.T. Eammons obtained one of two wood facemasks that were collected from the Tshimsian and Nisga&#8217;s tribes on the coast of British Columbia. He described the mask as &#8220;a mythical being found in the woods, and called today as a monkey.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nachzehrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nachzehrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another possibility is that the head is a 19th century caricature of an Irishman. These were often grotesquely simian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possibility is that the head is a 19th century caricature of an Irishman. These were often grotesquely simian.</p>
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