Comments on: Flash Frozen? Siberian Baby Raises Old Questions

By: question_dogma

question_dogma — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:43:37 +0000

There is a way that the mammoths along with other species and fauna could have been flash frozen while at the same time being the cause for orogenesis and the many flood accounts from many different early cultures.

The rings of Saturn give a good idea as to what could be the cause for the ice age. Almost all of the rings of Saturn are easily within the Roche limit and could be the remains of a body of ice that came from the deeper regions of space which got caught by Saturn’s gravity and fragmented.

The same model could be used for a sudden freezing of the magnetic poles of the earth in the not too distant past. If a mass of ice made 1 or 2 passes around thc Earth before fragmenting inside the Roche limit and supposing it was of sufficient mass it could have created massive tides on the planet in all three of the fluids of which our planet is composed. The fluid atmosphere, the fluid oceans and the fluid magma all would have been equally affected. The crust of the earth would have been tortured by the tides contained within. This could be the orogenesis of our mountain ranges. Not only of the Earth but also of our own satellite. The flood would have been tidal in nature with the oceans being pulled up out of their basins and bearing up the Ark so as to deposit it in mountains rather then washing it out to the sea as would have been the effect of a flood caused by rainfall only. And the rains would have been caused by the sudden introduction of super cooled ice (-200f) being dumped on the magnetic poles of the earth.

If you examine the story of Genesis one can see that the earth was originally said to have been covered by a canopy much as Venus is. The temperature contained within the canopy because of our placement from the Sun was such that the dew point was reached by only a few degrees of change. Hence the concept that a mist and not rain watered the earth before this catastrophe. When the ice was introduced to the planet it changed the entire climate of the planet and has been warming back up ever since that time. All of this occurring sometime around 2800 BC.

One other little bit of trivia. This model could also explain why there are Ice Caves in Washington State here in the USA. There is one cave that is sandwiched in-between layers of magma and has formed a cave by melting for the past 4800 or so years. There is another cave that is reported to have been followed by spelunkers for over 7000 feet without finding the end of the cave yet.

By: Rillo777

Rillo777 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:05:06 +0000

I’m going to agree with you, Raisins. I think they would be disruptive to an eco system that’s learned to live without them. What life they would have would not be realistic to their time due to the intervention and close study by man.

Instinct aside, behaviours would be different from their ancestors due to a changed environment and their life would be about as realistic as a zoo creature born in captivity.

There is probably nothing we could learn about them that we couldn’t know by studying their remains.

And the big question I have is: would the reintroduction of the species drive another into extinction through competition?

I believe it is speculation that man was solely responsible for their demise as seems to be the general consensus.

Best to leave well enough alone.

By: Oris Bracken

Oris Bracken — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:52:48 +0000

Fascinating photos! Flash freeze theory was promoted by Immanuel Velikovsky in books, Worlds in Collision and Earth in Upheaval, early 1950s. Back when catastrophe theory was considered bunk.

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By: Bob Michaels

Bob Michaels — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:23:10 +0000

Bring back the Megafauna to the plains of North America. Restore the vast herds of Pronghorn and Bison and their natural predators. Reintroduce the Tarpan (Konick horse) and the Mammoth’s closest relative, the Indian elephant. Bring back the Auroch through selective breeding (Heck’s Cattle). Use every method, cloning, selective breeding, similar fauna to create a Pleistocene West in N.A.

By: groovydude

groovydude — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:33:01 +0000

Now this is good stuff, thanks for posting and please more along these lines (ie legit) and less lame bigfoot ‘videos’.

Hmmm, a massive extinction event 10000 years ago. I don’t know, uh, where I’ve heard that before.

By: greenmartian2007

greenmartian2007 — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:07:09 +0000

I have found an on-line article to the Wrangel materials.

Here is the URL link:

http://www.radiocarbon.org/Journal/v37n1/vartanyan.html

I also didn’t know this, but the Russian paper has stated that there are five different forms of Mammoth in the permafrost region.

The youngest materials were about 2000 BC. And others ranging up to 6200 BC and 10,000 BC.

The Pyramids were rising, and the mini-mammoths were trumpeting. Truth is stranger than fiction.

By: CryptoInformant

CryptoInformant — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:01:46 +0000

The idea that we have no right to bring the mammoth back is ridiculous. We pushed it to the edge of extinction and sent it toppling over. This is just like the case on cloning the Thylacine. We owe it to the ecosystem to restore vital components. It amazes me that some people think there is a “Don’t Touch” sign on the universe, when in fact the only restrictions are those we set for ourselves. Thus, it is in the best interests of life that we return some of the lost biodiversity. There is currently talk of terraforming Mars, which I think should be done with genetically engineered organisms, possibly based on the fragments of dinosaur DNA and RNA that have been found, and will continue to be found.

By: dogu4

dogu4 — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:58:53 +0000

Mystery Man…thanks for you insight. Very interesting to me and appreciate the perspective on massive ecosystem change. I have heard some of that in the past and this find will no doubt prompt me to delve more deeply.
Regarding the North American Re-Wilding project, as in Siberia, there linger species of plants in the US Southwest and Mexico whose presence and survival in today’s ecosytem is hard to understand unless their seeds were dispersed via the gut of large herbivores like mammoths or sloths or even tortoises. Re-introducing these keystone species’ modern though absent affiliates will alter today’s system and enhance its carrying capacity by providing niches and strategies that currently aren’t functioning in todays impoverished less-well-adapted inventory of species.
Don’t know if anyone else noticed or not but a close look at the trunk of this young mammoth indicates a particular process at the trunk’s distal end which has been observed before but not much commented on. It creates a kind of scoop at the trunk’s end which I’d heard was thought to act as a kind of squeegee to collect the scarce moisture in frost that would accumulate on the plants and the animals fur, since available water, particularly in winter would be very very scarce. I wonder if this specimen will provide some insight into other specialized adaptations. Cheers.

By: mystery_man

mystery_man — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:43:48 +0000

Dogu4- One of the men behind the “Pleistocene Park” project, Sergey A. Zimov, maintains that the climate is just fine at this point for a reintroduction of a grassland ecosystem. According to an essay he wrote on the topic, by many criteria, the present climate in Siberia is not humid at all, but indeed rather a climate characteristic of an arid steppe. Apparently annual radiation input is around twice what is needed to evaporate precipitation, so the question is why Siberia is no longer dominated by a steppe landscape. Zimov maintains that in Northern Siberia, plains that were once only covered by a small portion of mammoth steppe soils now occupy suitably vast areas and that the territory is near optimal for such an ecosystem.

The whole question of climate is an interesting one, because the shift from the cold, arid climate of the Pleistocene to the humid one of the Holocene was not a unique one. This sort of transition had happened before during previous interglacial periods without causing catastrophic landscape reconfigurations. This is one of the arguments being presented against climate change as an end all be all cause for the disappearance of the grassland system.

I read a very interesting paper on this, and it seems one of the main things that needs to be done is to reintroduce enough large herbivores to disrupt the mosses that dominate the landscape there and maintain a healthy grassy ecosystem. One of Zimov’s theories was that the disappearance of the herbivores, which enable the grasslands to thrive and play an integral part in this habitat, had as much of an impact on the downfall of the grassland ecosystem as climate change did. So in theory, reintroducing these herds of herbivores will help kick start a steppe grassland system again. I really am eager to see what becomes of the project and how these theories pan out. Can you imagine a plain dominated by herds of grazing mammoths and other megafauna of the age? It sure would be a magnificent sight.

By: Tengu

Tengu — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:43:35 +0000

They have been talking such things for decades, nothing has come of it….yet.

The inuit have a legend of a big hairy beast like a bigger musk ox but with walrus tusks…but are they talking of a living thing or a dead one they found in the tundra? Though siberian inuit today are coastal dwellers, they have good contacts with inland tribes and certainly frozen mammoths have also been found in alaska.