Comments on: Monster Attack: 1892

By: serpent_seeker

serpent_seeker — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:50:50 +0000

I agree i think this could be some sort of giant salamander.

By: dogu4

dogu4 — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:09:42 +0000

Regarding the description of the “large ribbed wings” I suspect that some commetors are presuming that the word “wings” alludes to the idea of the creature’s ability to fly though air, but I suspect the wings could have been instead relating to some other process such as the “wings” on manta rays for “flying through water”, or wing like structures that could have been some kind of adaptation to thigmotrophism (living in crevices) or perhaps gas-exchange as would be the case with large salamanders and their exposed gill like structures.

By: bigfootsdad

bigfootsdad — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:56:33 +0000

ETxArtist

You said, “Hard to imagine the wingspan required to lift such weight from the water, which adds even more weight. Seems improbable to me.”

However, when we consider the Bumble Bee and its ability to fly, this too should be impossible.

By: dogu4

dogu4 — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:52:34 +0000

Foxfier: those are excellent points and I am aware that Chelan is off the beaten track even now. I was attempting to look at the situation from the perspective of the times in the early 1890s…Seattle was still a relatively undeveloped port on Puget Sound as it was still 6 years before it’s explosive growth due to the Klondike…andthat’s a good point about Spokane which by that time I think was on a rail line shipping freight, livestock and ore …but there was and had been quite a bit of mining going on in the mountains and Chelan seemed like it would have that affinity with Boise which was something of a mining capital. That said, miners did love tall tales.
Also, as TaishaMcGee points out, big lake, big fish..sturgeon especially as Chealn would historically be connected to the Columbia.
My thoughts, as typical, is that the unexplored country 100 years ago and more was being examined by those without the wherewithall to inform modern scientific inquiry and when the tales seem to be almost mythological we presume they were, but we don’t know and I think remanant vestigal populations of unusual,slow growing and sparse populations would have been exterpated easily if not altogether made extinct. It’s still a big country out there particularly in the west and modern survey techniques can and do miss the really cryptic in unexpected places. i don’t mean it as merely criticism of the modern methods, just as a recognition of the system’s inherent limitations.

By: ETxArtist

ETxArtist — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:26:35 +0000

Hard to imagine the wingspan required to lift such weight from the water, which adds even more weight. Seems improbable to me.

By: TaishaMcGee

TaishaMcGee — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:28:42 +0000

Two things:

1-Sounds to me like a murder happened! An old-timey, classic Washingtonian cryptid alibi. Like the giant turtle in Lake Wenatchee (I have truly seen it with my own eyes, and felt it with my own feet) that I blamed many of my misadventures on as a youngin. Far cry from murder, but still, out here in the Evergreen State, there are always plenty of people who will listen to your tale with an open mind.

2-Although I tend to support the above theory, I have myself seen extremely over-sized salamanders, sucker-fish, and sturgeon in Lake Chelan. Any one of those things (when grossly over-grown) would seem like the monster mentioned above. Sturgeon are no wussy-fish, either. Scary and strong and deadly.

Ok, one other thing: With the recent “pterodactyl” sighting in Wenatchee, can we rule out the possibility of this winged creature not being a marine serpent at all, but perhaps a Ropen, or, more regionally appropriate, a Thunderbird? It’s an honor to live in such an crypto-zoologically active state!

By: Foxfier

Foxfier — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:14:14 +0000

dogu4- Chelan is a pain to get to THESE days.

I grew up about two hours away, in Twisp.

Lots of mountains between even the Methow and Chelan– between them and Seattle, there’s also a mountain range.

Spokane would be more likely a place to look for corroboration.

By: coelacanth1938

coelacanth1938 — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:18:08 +0000

It sounds like some kind of snallygaster to me.

By: Point Radix

Point Radix — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:55:22 +0000

Very interesting story; were there any similar reports in the locality before or after 1892? It would also be instructive to know whether there were any other witnesses (”said to be well authenticated”?). The problem in this scenario - three travelers left, but only two returned, with the only explanation for their friends disappearance being a winged alligator/serpent from the lake.

By: dogu4

dogu4 — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:17:46 +0000

Lake Chelan? Really? You’d think that by 1892 the Seattle press would have covered that too, even though I can see from a geographic point of view it is more a part of the intermountain region…and in fact Lake Chelan is one of those deep cold post glacial lakes with at least a tenuous connection to the sea, though by the time modern humans, and europeans in particular, had arrived to experience it, the lake’s context had changed to the Holocene, unlike its previous couple of million years of being influenced by the neogene ice age. So? Some kind of giant salamander with special adaptations that appear to be wings but could have been oxygen exchange organs? But then, you know how old newspapers would sink to almost anykind of crazy story to increase distribution and profits…so unlike our modern media…ha!