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		<title>By: youcantryreachingme</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptotourism/crypto-films/#comment-13639</link>
		<dc:creator>youcantryreachingme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to correct myself (21) - two photos were taken by the German tourists; I'd stated it was just one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to correct myself (21) - two photos were taken by the German tourists; I&#8217;d stated it was just one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnynames</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptotourism/crypto-films/#comment-13638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mnynames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 03:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Eurypterid in Loch Ness?  I've only ever heard of 2 other Sea Scorpion sightings, and the details were pretty vague.  Even more suspicious, I encountered them on a creationist website (Their theory might be crap, but some of their "evidence" is pertinant to CZ, or at least entertaining).  At least those sightings were in the ocean though...wait, according to Wikipedia most Sea Scorpions were freshwater.  OK.  Still, a Permian critter still scurrying around in a freshwater lake gouged out by glacial flows from the last ice age?  On the face of it, I think I'd put more money on a living Plesiosaur, were it not for the fact that Eurypterid kin are pretty hardy.
I work with Horseshoe Crabs, which have been around for at least 450 million years.  The American Horseshoe Crab (Limulus polyphemus) hasn't physically changed at all in over 30 million years.  I recall reading something on an actual marine biologist who said he would not be at all surprised to find Eurypterids and Trilobites still alive on the ocean's floor, and in fact thought it likely.  Colour me suspicious, but intrigued...

Cryptoinformant, care to inform us further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Eurypterid in Loch Ness?  I&#8217;ve only ever heard of 2 other Sea Scorpion sightings, and the details were pretty vague.  Even more suspicious, I encountered them on a creationist website (Their theory might be crap, but some of their &#8220;evidence&#8221; is pertinant to CZ, or at least entertaining).  At least those sightings were in the ocean though&#8230;wait, according to Wikipedia most Sea Scorpions were freshwater.  OK.  Still, a Permian critter still scurrying around in a freshwater lake gouged out by glacial flows from the last ice age?  On the face of it, I think I&#8217;d put more money on a living Plesiosaur, were it not for the fact that Eurypterid kin are pretty hardy.<br />
I work with Horseshoe Crabs, which have been around for at least 450 million years.  The American Horseshoe Crab (Limulus polyphemus) hasn&#8217;t physically changed at all in over 30 million years.  I recall reading something on an actual marine biologist who said he would not be at all surprised to find Eurypterids and Trilobites still alive on the ocean&#8217;s floor, and in fact thought it likely.  Colour me suspicious, but intrigued&#8230;</p>
<p>Cryptoinformant, care to inform us further?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy_Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy_Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 16:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re #5
My favorite quote from that article you posted the link to:
'With the Coral Sea discovery, "the group is less completely extinct than was thought," he said.'
"Less completely extinct"?
Either something is extinct, or it isn't...
Ah, I love hearing English speakers butcher their own language! I think it is one of my favorite things about the editing of cryptid books and articles.
Humans are highly evolved indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #5<br />
My favorite quote from that article you posted the link to:<br />
&#8216;With the Coral Sea discovery, &#8220;the group is less completely extinct than was thought,&#8221; he said.&#8217;<br />
&#8220;Less completely extinct&#8221;?<br />
Either something is extinct, or it isn&#8217;t&#8230;<br />
Ah, I love hearing English speakers butcher their own language! I think it is one of my favorite things about the editing of cryptid books and articles.<br />
Humans are highly evolved indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 21:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

I laugh at your disillusionment, but still hope you GET WELL SOON.

I was watching a show on Loch Ness, when a small, living thing darted across the screen of an underwater rope-cam, and it was definitely a crustacean with a tail... and claws. It appeared to be a eurypterid.

Look and you will find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I laugh at your disillusionment, but still hope you GET WELL SOON.</p>
<p>I was watching a show on Loch Ness, when a small, living thing darted across the screen of an underwater rope-cam, and it was definitely a crustacean with a tail&#8230; and claws. It appeared to be a eurypterid.</p>
<p>Look and you will find.</p>
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		<title>By: youcantryreachingme</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptotourism/crypto-films/#comment-13635</link>
		<dc:creator>youcantryreachingme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 05:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jayman wrote (7) "&lt;i&gt;It is always very suspicious when the claimed evidence can not or will not be produced immediately for examination.&lt;/i&gt;"

Anyone remember the German tourist who took the best ever photo of a (post-extinction) thylacine about a year and a half ago?

Showed it to the experts in Tasmania who verified it as a thylacine, but noted that they couldn't verify the authenticity of the digital image.

He disappeared and speculation was rife that he was probably negotiating a deal with the media.

Since then, zip. Nix. Nadda.

And jjames2 (19) - you're quite right; the story did change from one about a group of people caring for these critters for 11 years to an ex-militia who has since skipped the country in anticipation of harassment.

The trick with a good con is to keep your mouth shut. Suggest, but don't claim. Let your audience's imagination take them where it will. But as time goes on and more of the story comes out, there is more scope for discrepancies like the one you highlight, and with that, doubts.

To all those saying too much emotional investment (or capital) has gone into this, well as I wrote in previous comments - chill out! It's only yourselves who are letting yourselves get hyped!

Lastly, and probably to the detriment of cryptozoology, back to my issue of letting the audience lead itself; if you're going to hoax a photo, make sure it's just one, not more. Remember the recent sasquatch video which was online? As soon as the second piece of footage came out you were able to compare one with another and see the fraud.

Back to the alleged thylacine photo by the German tourist - a single photo - much better for business if it's a hoax - nothing to show that your "critter" can't in fact move in the way that two photos would imply. Oh, and of if the thing's for real, get as many da**** photos as you can!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jayman wrote (7) &#8220;<i>It is always very suspicious when the claimed evidence can not or will not be produced immediately for examination.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone remember the German tourist who took the best ever photo of a (post-extinction) thylacine about a year and a half ago?</p>
<p>Showed it to the experts in Tasmania who verified it as a thylacine, but noted that they couldn&#8217;t verify the authenticity of the digital image.</p>
<p>He disappeared and speculation was rife that he was probably negotiating a deal with the media.</p>
<p>Since then, zip. Nix. Nadda.</p>
<p>And jjames2 (19) - you&#8217;re quite right; the story did change from one about a group of people caring for these critters for 11 years to an ex-militia who has since skipped the country in anticipation of harassment.</p>
<p>The trick with a good con is to keep your mouth shut. Suggest, but don&#8217;t claim. Let your audience&#8217;s imagination take them where it will. But as time goes on and more of the story comes out, there is more scope for discrepancies like the one you highlight, and with that, doubts.</p>
<p>To all those saying too much emotional investment (or capital) has gone into this, well as I wrote in previous comments - chill out! It&#8217;s only yourselves who are letting yourselves get hyped!</p>
<p>Lastly, and probably to the detriment of cryptozoology, back to my issue of letting the audience lead itself; if you&#8217;re going to hoax a photo, make sure it&#8217;s just one, not more. Remember the recent sasquatch video which was online? As soon as the second piece of footage came out you were able to compare one with another and see the fraud.</p>
<p>Back to the alleged thylacine photo by the German tourist - a single photo - much better for business if it&#8217;s a hoax - nothing to show that your &#8220;critter&#8221; can&#8217;t in fact move in the way that two photos would imply. Oh, and of if the thing&#8217;s for real, get as many da**** photos as you can!!!</p>
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		<title>By: twblack</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptotourism/crypto-films/#comment-13634</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 01:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most here the photos that Mr. Chow has spoken about sure would be nice to get a look at but if we wait and they are what he claims then the wait was worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most here the photos that Mr. Chow has spoken about sure would be nice to get a look at but if we wait and they are what he claims then the wait was worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: jjames2</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptotourism/crypto-films/#comment-13633</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 00:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Galo: The problem with these drawings is that they're not even first-hand drawings.  Apparently, Vincent Chow has seen these pictures.  He then told Peter Loh about them, and Peter made drawings based on Vincent's descriptions.

Quite frankly, I'm also still somewhat confused as to who actually has the photos.  Originally, it was a "group" of people who had allegedly been protecting the Mawas for years.  Then, the story became that a former guerilla had the photos in his possession, but had left the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Galo: The problem with these drawings is that they&#8217;re not even first-hand drawings.  Apparently, Vincent Chow has seen these pictures.  He then told Peter Loh about them, and Peter made drawings based on Vincent&#8217;s descriptions.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I&#8217;m also still somewhat confused as to who actually has the photos.  Originally, it was a &#8220;group&#8221; of people who had allegedly been protecting the Mawas for years.  Then, the story became that a former guerilla had the photos in his possession, but had left the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Galo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Galo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 22:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Given that there is a lot of hype, in addition to government involvement with the discovery of the Mawas, isn't it just possible that Vincent Chow's photographs are just undergoing the proper hoops and loops before being published? Most papers and footage/photos for a new discovery, like that of our cryptozoological ocean friend the Giant Squid, take well over a year to be prepared - the footage the Japanese crew was taken in 2004, and yet they didn't produce their evidence of a living Giant Squid until well into 2005.

The only difference between this and the discovery of the Mawas, I see, is that the press got ahold of the story and have gone wild with the hype, while (I personally feel, anyway) the photos are still undergroing proper preperation for such an announcement.

In the meantime, we do have the drawings - and if those are based on real photos and accounts as they claim, we'll be in for the thrill of a scientific lifetime when the real deal is shown to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Given that there is a lot of hype, in addition to government involvement with the discovery of the Mawas, isn&#8217;t it just possible that Vincent Chow&#8217;s photographs are just undergoing the proper hoops and loops before being published? Most papers and footage/photos for a new discovery, like that of our cryptozoological ocean friend the Giant Squid, take well over a year to be prepared - the footage the Japanese crew was taken in 2004, and yet they didn&#8217;t produce their evidence of a living Giant Squid until well into 2005.</p>
<p>The only difference between this and the discovery of the Mawas, I see, is that the press got ahold of the story and have gone wild with the hype, while (I personally feel, anyway) the photos are still undergroing proper preperation for such an announcement.</p>
<p>In the meantime, we do have the drawings - and if those are based on real photos and accounts as they claim, we&#8217;ll be in for the thrill of a scientific lifetime when the real deal is shown to us.</p>
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		<title>By: sasquatch</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptotourism/crypto-films/#comment-13631</link>
		<dc:creator>sasquatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 19:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep your camera loaded and full of fresh batteries. I think the camera/binoculars you can buy now might be a winning situation- Imagine you see something move down a ravine AND YOU PULL UP YOUR BINOCULARS/DIGITAL CAMERA, there! AS SOON AS IT'S IN YOUR VIEW -CLICK, CLICK ,CLICK. It quickly moves behind some boulders and brush, but you've got the goods!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep your camera loaded and full of fresh batteries. I think the camera/binoculars you can buy now might be a winning situation- Imagine you see something move down a ravine AND YOU PULL UP YOUR BINOCULARS/DIGITAL CAMERA, there! AS SOON AS IT&#8217;S IN YOUR VIEW -CLICK, CLICK ,CLICK. It quickly moves behind some boulders and brush, but you&#8217;ve got the goods!</p>
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		<title>By: peterbernard</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 19:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post, jjames, and jayman all speak for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post, jjames, and jayman all speak for me.</p>
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