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		<title>By: shumway10973</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course all the lake creatures aren&#039;t the same.  We don&#039;t even know what is in some of those lakes at all, simply because they are so deep.  I know that Jacques-Yves Cousteau dove in Lake Tahoe and refused to release what they recorded because he felt the world was not ready to see.  We really have no clue about what could possibly be in most of our lakes.  Yes, there has to either be both sexes or the ability to impregnate themeselves.  By the way, the native name for the south american lake is translated to Lake of the Tiger’s Eye--how did the ancient inca&#039;s know what a tiger is? Isn&#039;t it conceivable that when the ice age that killed off most dinos, the water ones could have actually survived? After all, if the water froze completely, would we have fish today?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course all the lake creatures aren&#8217;t the same.  We don&#8217;t even know what is in some of those lakes at all, simply because they are so deep.  I know that Jacques-Yves Cousteau dove in Lake Tahoe and refused to release what they recorded because he felt the world was not ready to see.  We really have no clue about what could possibly be in most of our lakes.  Yes, there has to either be both sexes or the ability to impregnate themeselves.  By the way, the native name for the south american lake is translated to Lake of the Tiger’s Eye&#8211;how did the ancient inca&#8217;s know what a tiger is? Isn&#8217;t it conceivable that when the ice age that killed off most dinos, the water ones could have actually survived? After all, if the water froze completely, would we have fish today?</p>
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		<title>By: J-Foisy</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot/lake-monsters/comment-page-1/#comment-13668</link>
		<dc:creator>J-Foisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the past I lived for quite a few years in upper New York state near the Saint Lawrence river.  Native American Elders have stated that there is lake monsters in their oral history regarding the Saint Lawrence River.  Does anyone know if there has ever been any modern sightings reported?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past I lived for quite a few years in upper New York state near the Saint Lawrence river.  Native American Elders have stated that there is lake monsters in their oral history regarding the Saint Lawrence River.  Does anyone know if there has ever been any modern sightings reported?</p>
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		<title>By: Tabitca</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot/lake-monsters/comment-page-1/#comment-13667</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabitca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish you all the luck in the world John and your fellow researchers. I would give anything to prove a water based cryptid exists.Please keep us informed of how it&#039;s going if you can,and if there is anything we can do to help.(though I can&#039;t come to Canada but am planning a trip for next year depending on work and family commitments). I did get up to Loch ness at easter though so feel my year hasn&#039;t been wasted. (thats the trouble with life it gets in the way of  cryptozoology ;-) ).I&#039;d love to hear about the new book when it&#039;s published, as I&#039;m sure would everyone else on here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish you all the luck in the world John and your fellow researchers. I would give anything to prove a water based cryptid exists.Please keep us informed of how it&#8217;s going if you can,and if there is anything we can do to help.(though I can&#8217;t come to Canada but am planning a trip for next year depending on work and family commitments). I did get up to Loch ness at easter though so feel my year hasn&#8217;t been wasted. (thats the trouble with life it gets in the way of  cryptozoology <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).I&#8217;d love to hear about the new book when it&#8217;s published, as I&#8217;m sure would everyone else on here.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tabitca,

I am looking at the possibility of my book being reprinted, but it is unlikely it will be in the same format as previously.  I am amazed it sold out like it did. I never thought that the subject of lacustrean cryptids would be so enthusiastically received.

If it is republished, Cryptomundo and BCSCC readers will be the first hear about it. Meanwhile I have to finish my book on Mokele-mbembe before I look at republishing my previous work.

In regard to the Cadborosaurus carcass mentioned in this column. This is the carcass of an entirely unknown marine creature. Jim Wakelen who was there in 1937 and is still alive today, is absolutely adamant that this was an unknown creature the likes of which he never saw before or after despite vigorous efforts to try and identify the creature he saw. It is not an oarfish as you have postulated.

Captain Bill Hagelund - one of British Columbia&#039;s greatest whalers and who I have personally interviewed - has categorically stated that he caught a juvenile version of the 1937 creature at Pirate&#039;s Cove, Decourcey Island in 1967. He knows it is not an oarfish either.

Both Phyllis Harsh of Orcas Island, Washington and two fisherman at Ganges Harbour, Saltspring Island have also said that the creatures they respectively returned to the sea were juvenile versions of the Naden Harbour creature. They all described the creature as looking somewhat similar to a dinosaur.

The Naden Harbour carcass fits perfectly with the descriptions provided by many eyewitnesses over the last 100 years. It is not a known animal and I agree with Leblond and Bousfield that we have a new species of Northern Pacific marine megaserpent known as Cadborosaurus willsi and based on the Naden Harbour photos as the holotype.

Now, all my mates and I at the BCSCC and Operation CaddyScan have to do is get a type specimen or better photo to put this issue to bed. That being said, our work is cut out for us and so back to the digital surveillance system we go for another summer of observation.

Wish us luck!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tabitca,</p>
<p>I am looking at the possibility of my book being reprinted, but it is unlikely it will be in the same format as previously.  I am amazed it sold out like it did. I never thought that the subject of lacustrean cryptids would be so enthusiastically received.</p>
<p>If it is republished, Cryptomundo and BCSCC readers will be the first hear about it. Meanwhile I have to finish my book on Mokele-mbembe before I look at republishing my previous work.</p>
<p>In regard to the Cadborosaurus carcass mentioned in this column. This is the carcass of an entirely unknown marine creature. Jim Wakelen who was there in 1937 and is still alive today, is absolutely adamant that this was an unknown creature the likes of which he never saw before or after despite vigorous efforts to try and identify the creature he saw. It is not an oarfish as you have postulated.</p>
<p>Captain Bill Hagelund &#8211; one of British Columbia&#8217;s greatest whalers and who I have personally interviewed &#8211; has categorically stated that he caught a juvenile version of the 1937 creature at Pirate&#8217;s Cove, Decourcey Island in 1967. He knows it is not an oarfish either.</p>
<p>Both Phyllis Harsh of Orcas Island, Washington and two fisherman at Ganges Harbour, Saltspring Island have also said that the creatures they respectively returned to the sea were juvenile versions of the Naden Harbour creature. They all described the creature as looking somewhat similar to a dinosaur.</p>
<p>The Naden Harbour carcass fits perfectly with the descriptions provided by many eyewitnesses over the last 100 years. It is not a known animal and I agree with Leblond and Bousfield that we have a new species of Northern Pacific marine megaserpent known as Cadborosaurus willsi and based on the Naden Harbour photos as the holotype.</p>
<p>Now, all my mates and I at the BCSCC and Operation CaddyScan have to do is get a type specimen or better photo to put this issue to bed. That being said, our work is cut out for us and so back to the digital surveillance system we go for another summer of observation.</p>
<p>Wish us luck!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tabitca</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot/lake-monsters/comment-page-1/#comment-13665</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabitca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John is there any chance your book will get re-printed? There are very few copies about in the Uk and I&#039;m sure there would be a few commentators on here that would buy it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is there any chance your book will get re-printed? There are very few copies about in the Uk and I&#8217;m sure there would be a few commentators on here that would buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tabitca</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot/lake-monsters/comment-page-1/#comment-13664</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabitca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s of any interest but there are a lot of seminal books on Loch Ness for sale on ebay.uk.at the moment. There are also some bigfoot models including one that talks when you pull a string :-)
I got a DVD of the old Peter Cushing Abominable snowman film really cheap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s of any interest but there are a lot of seminal books on Loch Ness for sale on ebay.uk.at the moment. There are also some bigfoot models including one that talks when you pull a string <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I got a DVD of the old Peter Cushing Abominable snowman film really cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Tabitca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tabitca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 09:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s very difficult to tell anything without lab facilities when something is half digested. Now the first thing we think of is get a sample, in the old days that just wasn&#039;t considered ...photography was the new science.
I often wonder how many species have died out that we never knew about, that were never discovered.I just hope sea and lake monsters don&#039;t get killed off by pollution before we get some definitive answers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very difficult to tell anything without lab facilities when something is half digested. Now the first thing we think of is get a sample, in the old days that just wasn&#8217;t considered &#8230;photography was the new science.<br />
I often wonder how many species have died out that we never knew about, that were never discovered.I just hope sea and lake monsters don&#8217;t get killed off by pollution before we get some definitive answers</p>
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		<title>By: shovethenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>shovethenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 09:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tabitca-

The &quot;cadbosaurus&quot; corpses were all found in the 30&#039;s. The one allegedly found in the Sperm Whale&#039;s stomach seems well-preserved, and not the result of a basking shark rotting. It&#039;s odd that the head looks camel-like, but who knows what&#039;s possible. Seals and sea lions look like aquatic dogs, so maybe it isn&#039;t that unusual.

This was all well before DNA testing, so I don&#039;t think any of the carcasses were preserved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tabitca-</p>
<p>The &#8220;cadbosaurus&#8221; corpses were all found in the 30&#8242;s. The one allegedly found in the Sperm Whale&#8217;s stomach seems well-preserved, and not the result of a basking shark rotting. It&#8217;s odd that the head looks camel-like, but who knows what&#8217;s possible. Seals and sea lions look like aquatic dogs, so maybe it isn&#8217;t that unusual.</p>
<p>This was all well before DNA testing, so I don&#8217;t think any of the carcasses were preserved.</p>
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		<title>By: Tabitca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tabitca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 08:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi guys it&#039;s 9am here in England. University lecturers are on strike at the moment which is why I have time to Blog.:-)
I&#039;ve had 2 cups of coffee so should be awake .....

First you have to understand about the Loch. It&#039;s vast. it&#039;s over 23 miles long, by a mile wide and over 800feet deep. A few feet down the water is black, even with strong lights you can barely see. It&#039;s actually quite scary down there.You could stand every person in the Uk in the loch and still have room to spare. The drop is sheer, little evidence of caves but some ledges. (If you ever go to Loch Ness get the Bus from Inverness to drumnadrochit..you&#039;ll see that there is sheer rock face on one side of you and and a sheer drop the other...and that is what it is like in the loch.) Recently a fisherman with sonar discovered a hole/cave in the bottom of the loch, (nessie&#039;s home perhaps?) but no definite proof. Sonar bounces off the walls of the Loch so you get a lot of false readings. anything that dies in the loch falls to the bottom. People have tried dragging the Loch but it&#039;s just too big. There is very little shore to be washed up on. There are few places for a clear view due to foliage etc.

Thanks for the link to the pictures. Could be an oar fish or the remains of a basking shark, often mistaken for a sea monster. If the remains where found did anyone get a sample? The first thing I would do, no matter how bad the smell is get a piece and take it to the university marine biology department for analysis.

I think caddy may well exist.There is so much evidence. To add to the pot, there have been several sightings over the years of sea serpents/monsters off Aberdeen UK by seasoned fisherman. They tend not to drink too much when on board ship and go mad when they get into port, so not whisky fueled dreams.

And thanks for the interest guys, it&#039;s always good when people ask questions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys it&#8217;s 9am here in England. University lecturers are on strike at the moment which is why I have time to Blog.:-)<br />
I&#8217;ve had 2 cups of coffee so should be awake &#8230;..</p>
<p>First you have to understand about the Loch. It&#8217;s vast. it&#8217;s over 23 miles long, by a mile wide and over 800feet deep. A few feet down the water is black, even with strong lights you can barely see. It&#8217;s actually quite scary down there.You could stand every person in the Uk in the loch and still have room to spare. The drop is sheer, little evidence of caves but some ledges. (If you ever go to Loch Ness get the Bus from Inverness to drumnadrochit..you&#8217;ll see that there is sheer rock face on one side of you and and a sheer drop the other&#8230;and that is what it is like in the loch.) Recently a fisherman with sonar discovered a hole/cave in the bottom of the loch, (nessie&#8217;s home perhaps?) but no definite proof. Sonar bounces off the walls of the Loch so you get a lot of false readings. anything that dies in the loch falls to the bottom. People have tried dragging the Loch but it&#8217;s just too big. There is very little shore to be washed up on. There are few places for a clear view due to foliage etc.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the pictures. Could be an oar fish or the remains of a basking shark, often mistaken for a sea monster. If the remains where found did anyone get a sample? The first thing I would do, no matter how bad the smell is get a piece and take it to the university marine biology department for analysis.</p>
<p>I think caddy may well exist.There is so much evidence. To add to the pot, there have been several sightings over the years of sea serpents/monsters off Aberdeen UK by seasoned fisherman. They tend not to drink too much when on board ship and go mad when they get into port, so not whisky fueled dreams.</p>
<p>And thanks for the interest guys, it&#8217;s always good when people ask questions.</p>
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		<title>By: shovethenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>shovethenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 23:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tabitca-

Thanks. How do you think whatever it is avoids the sonar sweeps?

Also, on Dick Raynor&#039;s site do you think the picture he has listed under &quot;seals&quot; is actually a gray seal? It looks awfully un-sealike from what I can tell.

twblack-

There have been corpses, at least of what are called &quot;sea monsters&quot;. Several corpses thought to be of &quot;cadbosaurus&quot;, sometimes seen in Cadboro Bay in British Columbia, have been found and photographed. One corpse, thought to be taken from the stomach of a Sperm Whale, had a well-preserved camel-like head. In fact the art at the top of this page seems to be based on this same kind of camel-like configuration.

Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cryptozoology.com/cryptids/caddy.php&quot;&gt;a link&lt;/a&gt; to the pictures.

Note that these seem to resemble the accounts of &quot;sea horse&quot; type sea monsters that have occurred in various spots around the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tabitca-</p>
<p>Thanks. How do you think whatever it is avoids the sonar sweeps?</p>
<p>Also, on Dick Raynor&#8217;s site do you think the picture he has listed under &#8220;seals&#8221; is actually a gray seal? It looks awfully un-sealike from what I can tell.</p>
<p>twblack-</p>
<p>There have been corpses, at least of what are called &#8220;sea monsters&#8221;. Several corpses thought to be of &#8220;cadbosaurus&#8221;, sometimes seen in Cadboro Bay in British Columbia, have been found and photographed. One corpse, thought to be taken from the stomach of a Sperm Whale, had a well-preserved camel-like head. In fact the art at the top of this page seems to be based on this same kind of camel-like configuration.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.cryptozoology.com/cryptids/caddy.php">a link</a> to the pictures.</p>
<p>Note that these seem to resemble the accounts of &#8220;sea horse&#8221; type sea monsters that have occurred in various spots around the world.</p>
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