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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 04:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shy King - a yabbie is a small freshwater crayfish a few inches long.

No idea what the mystery creature is, but it looks only about four feet tall. I'm always suspicious when the photographer isn't 'available' for comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shy King - a yabbie is a small freshwater crayfish a few inches long.</p>
<p>No idea what the mystery creature is, but it looks only about four feet tall. I&#8217;m always suspicious when the photographer isn&#8217;t &#8216;available&#8217; for comment!</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments, mystery_man.

And obviously KNOW IT EXISTS doesn't work by itself.  You need the day job that lets you look for it, too.  I was careful to add:  AND has the time and the money.  Which many are more than ready and willing to donate to a dedicated biologist, using proven techniques and working in a hotbed of known species such as frogs, birds, insects, bats, reptiles, leumrs, etc.

Many of those "unknown" species -- most if not all of them in fact -- are "known unknowns," in biologically superrich places like tropical forests or coral reefs where it is considered certain by almost all authorities that there is lots of stuff waiting to be discovered.  Do what you do in general to find frogs birds and fish, and in one of these areas you'll get good evidence of a new one (or more) to science.  Or you'll find a "new" place -- like that two-million-hectare primary forest in New Guinea that's just been penetrated, apparently for the first time, by humans (locals included).  Or the Vu Quang in Vietnam -- an "unknown place" in a very combed-over (heck, bombed-over) country!  Then, yep, you're gonna get shots of things people haven't seen.  It's almost certain, which is why the money flows to efforts like that.

The coelacanth?  Remnant thylacines?  A ten-foot-high ape in Tibet, CA, GA or TX?  Not so much.  People just consider it a very long shot, simply because the scientific evidence is, as far as science itself is concerned, nonexistent.

That was my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, mystery_man.</p>
<p>And obviously KNOW IT EXISTS doesn&#8217;t work by itself.  You need the day job that lets you look for it, too.  I was careful to add:  AND has the time and the money.  Which many are more than ready and willing to donate to a dedicated biologist, using proven techniques and working in a hotbed of known species such as frogs, birds, insects, bats, reptiles, leumrs, etc.</p>
<p>Many of those &#8220;unknown&#8221; species &#8212; most if not all of them in fact &#8212; are &#8220;known unknowns,&#8221; in biologically superrich places like tropical forests or coral reefs where it is considered certain by almost all authorities that there is lots of stuff waiting to be discovered.  Do what you do in general to find frogs birds and fish, and in one of these areas you&#8217;ll get good evidence of a new one (or more) to science.  Or you&#8217;ll find a &#8220;new&#8221; place &#8212; like that two-million-hectare primary forest in New Guinea that&#8217;s just been penetrated, apparently for the first time, by humans (locals included).  Or the Vu Quang in Vietnam &#8212; an &#8220;unknown place&#8221; in a very combed-over (heck, bombed-over) country!  Then, yep, you&#8217;re gonna get shots of things people haven&#8217;t seen.  It&#8217;s almost certain, which is why the money flows to efforts like that.</p>
<p>The coelacanth?  Remnant thylacines?  A ten-foot-high ape in Tibet, CA, GA or TX?  Not so much.  People just consider it a very long shot, simply because the scientific evidence is, as far as science itself is concerned, nonexistent.</p>
<p>That was my point.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of new species discovered that have perfectly clear photos and the photographer did not have the assurance that they did in fact exist. Some new species have even been accepted on these clear photos alone. And what about creatures like the Billi ape? There is a species which was not known to exist and yet there is a decent  photo of one.  I feel the problem of getting a good photo is not always that they feel assured that they will get a good photo or they KNOW IT EXISTS as DWA put it. A lot of bigfoot hunters KNOW IT EXISTS in their minds. Do they have decent footage? No. I do agree that the problem is lack of funding and the amount of time and rescources needed to go out and do the job right. Bigfoot hunters just aren't getting the kind of money and support as, say, a Nat Geo team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of new species discovered that have perfectly clear photos and the photographer did not have the assurance that they did in fact exist. Some new species have even been accepted on these clear photos alone. And what about creatures like the Billi ape? There is a species which was not known to exist and yet there is a decent  photo of one.  I feel the problem of getting a good photo is not always that they feel assured that they will get a good photo or they KNOW IT EXISTS as DWA put it. A lot of bigfoot hunters KNOW IT EXISTS in their minds. Do they have decent footage? No. I do agree that the problem is lack of funding and the amount of time and rescources needed to go out and do the job right. Bigfoot hunters just aren&#8217;t getting the kind of money and support as, say, a Nat Geo team.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just this about some of the comments above posted:  there's a simple reason that other species of animals can be photographed clearly and cryptids can't, to wit:  THE PHOTOGRAPHER KNOWS THE OTHER SPECIES EXIST.  And is usually getting funded, more or less fulltime, to find them.

He/she is able to justify the time and expense spent sifting through the bush, or setting up and checking a camera trap over the course of months, by the virtual assurance of a decent photo, sooner or later.  And the money to live on 'til the photo is taken.

Nothing like this is ever done in the search for cryptids.  Virtually every cryptid photo op is a totally unplanned experience, in front of a barely-prepared -- if at all -- photographer.  The sole historical exception is, still, the Patterson film.  And even that was a fleeting glimpse, only possible because the cameraman stayed prepared, the entire trip, for that opportunity, with camera at hand, ready to roll.

The Patterson trip remains the only significant Bigfoot expedition conducted in history.  Ever.  What you hear about these days are the briefest of excursions, conducted by people who have day jobs and can't devote the time that Patterson and Gimlin just happened to have to devote at the time they went to Bluff Creek.  (How many of today's "Bigfoot expeditions" even see so much as a coyote or bobcat?  And we know they exist.)

Until one devotes the time and energy to Bigfoot that is routinely devoted -- by full-time biologists -- to documenting known species, forget about "decent" evidence.  Unless you count all those tracks and voice recordings.

All wildlife encounters are luck.  You just have to have the time and patience -- and money -- to get lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just this about some of the comments above posted:  there&#8217;s a simple reason that other species of animals can be photographed clearly and cryptids can&#8217;t, to wit:  THE PHOTOGRAPHER KNOWS THE OTHER SPECIES EXIST.  And is usually getting funded, more or less fulltime, to find them.</p>
<p>He/she is able to justify the time and expense spent sifting through the bush, or setting up and checking a camera trap over the course of months, by the virtual assurance of a decent photo, sooner or later.  And the money to live on &#8217;til the photo is taken.</p>
<p>Nothing like this is ever done in the search for cryptids.  Virtually every cryptid photo op is a totally unplanned experience, in front of a barely-prepared &#8212; if at all &#8212; photographer.  The sole historical exception is, still, the Patterson film.  And even that was a fleeting glimpse, only possible because the cameraman stayed prepared, the entire trip, for that opportunity, with camera at hand, ready to roll.</p>
<p>The Patterson trip remains the only significant Bigfoot expedition conducted in history.  Ever.  What you hear about these days are the briefest of excursions, conducted by people who have day jobs and can&#8217;t devote the time that Patterson and Gimlin just happened to have to devote at the time they went to Bluff Creek.  (How many of today&#8217;s &#8220;Bigfoot expeditions&#8221; even see so much as a coyote or bobcat?  And we know they exist.)</p>
<p>Until one devotes the time and energy to Bigfoot that is routinely devoted &#8212; by full-time biologists &#8212; to documenting known species, forget about &#8220;decent&#8221; evidence.  Unless you count all those tracks and voice recordings.</p>
<p>All wildlife encounters are luck.  You just have to have the time and patience &#8212; and money &#8212; to get lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: scotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twblack made note that it resembles a kangaroo - and he may be correct. It makes you wonder how many times somebody has taken a photo of something known, just to say "Gee, it looks like a bigfoot?"

And I agree with the comment that in just a fleeting glimpse, I find it hard to imagine someone having the camera in hand, ready to snap a pic at any given moment in time.

Maybe we'll get to see a good pic at full res, but I'm not holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twblack made note that it resembles a kangaroo - and he may be correct. It makes you wonder how many times somebody has taken a photo of something known, just to say &#8220;Gee, it looks like a bigfoot?&#8221;</p>
<p>And I agree with the comment that in just a fleeting glimpse, I find it hard to imagine someone having the camera in hand, ready to snap a pic at any given moment in time.</p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;ll get to see a good pic at full res, but I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: YourPTR!</title>
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		<dc:creator>YourPTR!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really poor pic looks nothing like a yowie at all, not that you can make much out from it but certainly doesn't look bipedal. I'd go with the kangaroo theory. Either that or possibly even a thylacine before I'd consider it as evidence for bigfoot. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really poor pic looks nothing like a yowie at all, not that you can make much out from it but certainly doesn&#8217;t look bipedal. I&#8217;d go with the kangaroo theory. Either that or possibly even a thylacine before I&#8217;d consider it as evidence for bigfoot. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: mikew</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you also please post the web page or books sources that show   photographic evidence of unknown primate like creatures that were taken in Bhutan, Sumatra or China.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you also please post the web page or books sources that show   photographic evidence of unknown primate like creatures that were taken in Bhutan, Sumatra or China.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: mikew</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Well it happened in Bhutan, Sumatra, and China, so apparently it has already happened and there is a good chance it will happen again in the future."

Obviously I am talking about decent  secondary evidence that would be accepted by the general scientific community!

Not "unidentified hair/scat/footprint/dna" claims.

With references coming from "unknown tv shows". :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well it happened in Bhutan, Sumatra, and China, so apparently it has already happened and there is a good chance it will happen again in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously I am talking about decent  secondary evidence that would be accepted by the general scientific community!</p>
<p>Not &#8220;unidentified hair/scat/footprint/dna&#8221; claims.</p>
<p>With references coming from &#8220;unknown tv shows&#8221;. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: fredfacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredfacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I carry my 6mp digital point-and-shoot camera on my truck's console, and often snap one-handed pictures of interesting stuff like car wrecks, funny vehicles, interesting places, etc. while I drive. It's a habit I picked up when working at the newspaper. I don't doubt this guy's story. I have a feeling the uncropped picture probably has a lot more scenery in it as the creature is apparently quite a ways down the road, but I would guess that the newspaper ran the crop at 100% zoom. It would be clearer though if we could see the real photo instead of the 72 dpi scan of the 85 dpi newspaper print.

(Incidentally, if anyone cares, I've found Fuji digital cameras have the fastest focus and shutter response times. With some of the Kodaks and Nikons I've had in the past I'd be a mile down the road before the camera ever clicked the picture. Get one that has at least ISO 800 though or you just end up with blur.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I carry my 6mp digital point-and-shoot camera on my truck&#8217;s console, and often snap one-handed pictures of interesting stuff like car wrecks, funny vehicles, interesting places, etc. while I drive. It&#8217;s a habit I picked up when working at the newspaper. I don&#8217;t doubt this guy&#8217;s story. I have a feeling the uncropped picture probably has a lot more scenery in it as the creature is apparently quite a ways down the road, but I would guess that the newspaper ran the crop at 100% zoom. It would be clearer though if we could see the real photo instead of the 72 dpi scan of the 85 dpi newspaper print.</p>
<p>(Incidentally, if anyone cares, I&#8217;ve found Fuji digital cameras have the fastest focus and shutter response times. With some of the Kodaks and Nikons I&#8217;ve had in the past I&#8217;d be a mile down the road before the camera ever clicked the picture. Get one that has at least ISO 800 though or you just end up with blur.)</p>
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		<title>By: peterbernard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The paper doesn't seem to have a web site but their info is this:
Yarram Standard News
241 Commercial Road
Yarram 3971
Ph: 03 5182 5013
Fax: 03 5182 5684
Email: ads@standardnews.com.au
Maybe they'd share the digital photo, assuming they have it in their possession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper doesn&#8217;t seem to have a web site but their info is this:<br />
Yarram Standard News<br />
241 Commercial Road<br />
Yarram 3971<br />
Ph: 03 5182 5013<br />
Fax: 03 5182 5684<br />
Email: <a href="mailto:ads@standardnews.com.au">ads@standardnews.com.au</a><br />
Maybe they&#8217;d share the digital photo, assuming they have it in their possession.</p>
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