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		<title>By: Mnynames</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22574</link>
		<dc:creator>Mnynames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a long way to go from Bush Baby to Bigfoot.  I'm willing to spend some time speculating on the possible parallel evolution of the Yowie, based on its remote location and some possibly atypical anatomy (Although my personal belief is that it is either H. erectus or a descendant), but to my mind, all the possible North American apes we discuss here clearly seem to be either pongids or hominids (-noids, -nins, take your pick), and that means that they must be relatively recent migrants to the continent.  This also helps explain the apparent lack of fossil evidence, as it was recent, and likely to have been wiped clean away by the ice age glaciers.

Further, that Sci-Am article that one of you mentioned also stated that the "cradle of primates" was actually Europe during an interglacial period roughly 10-5 MYA, making it equally difficult to find early specimens due to those same glaciers erasing the landscape.  From Europe, they spread to Africa, where they rode out the ice ages and then spread across into Asia (Except for the Lemurs, who were already there).  Those in Europe died out as the conditions grew colder.

Now, I suppose it is just possible that some of these early European Primates might have somehow made it across the Atlantic to North America, and once established, evolved into our dear Cryptids, though there you would have to explain the means of migration.  Everything else I mentioned- recent arrival, elimination of possible fossils via glaciation, would still apply.

There is a bit of a fudge factor here, for although we know for certain that one particular Primate made it to North America via the Bering land bridge (making that the most likely vector of any other Primate), recent genetic studies have shown that many Native Americans possess a rare gene found only in Europeans, and that this is too widespread to have been caused by modern intermarriage.  Therefore, the scientific suggestion here is that at least some Proto-Indians MUST have come from Europe prior to the last Asian migration roughly 11 TYA.  Assuming that they didn't have ocean-going vessels 30 TYA, they must have walked, and that means any other Primate could have done so too.

Obviously the dates are a bit off, and there's no doubt a big difference between 8 MYA and 30 TYA (Although personally I hold to the genetic evidence that suggests North American settlement roughly 50 TYA), if there was a land bridge at 30 TYA, there might still have been one 8 MYA.  As someone else here said, the continents don't move that fast, but the time interval is enough for a discernable drift to have taken place.

Not sure if I've cleared things up for anybody, or muddied the waters further, but it's food for thought nonetheless, and hopefully not too hard on anyone's palate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a long way to go from Bush Baby to Bigfoot.  I&#8217;m willing to spend some time speculating on the possible parallel evolution of the Yowie, based on its remote location and some possibly atypical anatomy (Although my personal belief is that it is either H. erectus or a descendant), but to my mind, all the possible North American apes we discuss here clearly seem to be either pongids or hominids (-noids, -nins, take your pick), and that means that they must be relatively recent migrants to the continent.  This also helps explain the apparent lack of fossil evidence, as it was recent, and likely to have been wiped clean away by the ice age glaciers.</p>
<p>Further, that Sci-Am article that one of you mentioned also stated that the &#8220;cradle of primates&#8221; was actually Europe during an interglacial period roughly 10-5 MYA, making it equally difficult to find early specimens due to those same glaciers erasing the landscape.  From Europe, they spread to Africa, where they rode out the ice ages and then spread across into Asia (Except for the Lemurs, who were already there).  Those in Europe died out as the conditions grew colder.</p>
<p>Now, I suppose it is just possible that some of these early European Primates might have somehow made it across the Atlantic to North America, and once established, evolved into our dear Cryptids, though there you would have to explain the means of migration.  Everything else I mentioned- recent arrival, elimination of possible fossils via glaciation, would still apply.</p>
<p>There is a bit of a fudge factor here, for although we know for certain that one particular Primate made it to North America via the Bering land bridge (making that the most likely vector of any other Primate), recent genetic studies have shown that many Native Americans possess a rare gene found only in Europeans, and that this is too widespread to have been caused by modern intermarriage.  Therefore, the scientific suggestion here is that at least some Proto-Indians MUST have come from Europe prior to the last Asian migration roughly 11 TYA.  Assuming that they didn&#8217;t have ocean-going vessels 30 TYA, they must have walked, and that means any other Primate could have done so too.</p>
<p>Obviously the dates are a bit off, and there&#8217;s no doubt a big difference between 8 MYA and 30 TYA (Although personally I hold to the genetic evidence that suggests North American settlement roughly 50 TYA), if there was a land bridge at 30 TYA, there might still have been one 8 MYA.  As someone else here said, the continents don&#8217;t move that fast, but the time interval is enough for a discernable drift to have taken place.</p>
<p>Not sure if I&#8217;ve cleared things up for anybody, or muddied the waters further, but it&#8217;s food for thought nonetheless, and hopefully not too hard on anyone&#8217;s palate.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22573</link>
		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cirgntx:...go check out the name "atlas bear"...it live(d) in Africa...also primates live in north America...the Yucatan and elsewhere...As for the hole in evolution, the only hole in envolution is the one genuine researchers are filling-in all the time, and the one you are evidently see but are failing to understand its importance. There's never been a better time to explore the world of information at your fingertips. These articles and discussions here are fantastic invitations to learn beyond what you already think you know.
Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cirgntx:&#8230;go check out the name &#8220;atlas bear&#8221;&#8230;it live(d) in Africa&#8230;also primates live in north America&#8230;the Yucatan and elsewhere&#8230;As for the hole in evolution, the only hole in envolution is the one genuine researchers are filling-in all the time, and the one you are evidently see but are failing to understand its importance. There&#8217;s never been a better time to explore the world of information at your fingertips. These articles and discussions here are fantastic invitations to learn beyond what you already think you know.<br />
Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: crgintx</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22572</link>
		<dc:creator>crgintx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joppa, the conditions don't have to be exact but similar for similar parallel evolution to occur.   Evolution has some mighty large holes in it.

For instance why are there bears in both Southern Asia and South America but none in Africa?  Why did large primates only evolve in Africa and Southeast Asia and not the Americas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joppa, the conditions don&#8217;t have to be exact but similar for similar parallel evolution to occur.   Evolution has some mighty large holes in it.</p>
<p>For instance why are there bears in both Southern Asia and South America but none in Africa?  Why did large primates only evolve in Africa and Southeast Asia and not the Americas?</p>
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		<title>By: bukko</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22571</link>
		<dc:creator>bukko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got a point Traveler. But, I still think more will be found. At least that's what I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got a point Traveler. But, I still think more will be found. At least that&#8217;s what I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: traveler</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22570</link>
		<dc:creator>traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a theory based on one tooth. Anyone remember that?</description>
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		<title>By: traveler</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22569</link>
		<dc:creator>traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, a lot of discussion and theory based on what was it 3 or 4 teeth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a lot of discussion and theory based on what was it 3 or 4 teeth?</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22568</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pentastar- I completely agree that fossils of Bigfoot could exist somewhere and I am well aware of how tricky fossils can be. It is actually a pretty rare process and we are far from cataloguing all of the species that have ever existed. But if there is a long evolutionary history of apes in America, there should be something. Not all animals turn to fossils, but with that sort of radiation of primate species and if they were that successful, SOME would. What I was saying is that if Bigfoot evolved in America, I would expect some sort of record of at least intermediate species leading up to Bigfoot, but there is nothing at this point. I do not take this to be evidence that Bigfoot does not exist, just that it perhaps did not evolve in North America. Lack of fossils can be explained, sure, but I see nothing to support a full lineage of primates in America going back millions of years and leading up to Bigfoot.  I just feel it is premature to jump the gun and embrace the idea of an indigenous large ape that evolved here without any sort of record at all ( not yet anyway) to support that theory. It is a nifty idea, and there are some good ideas here on how it could happen, but for me the lack of evidence for diversification of different primates within America is too scant for me to hold too strongly to that theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pentastar- I completely agree that fossils of Bigfoot could exist somewhere and I am well aware of how tricky fossils can be. It is actually a pretty rare process and we are far from cataloguing all of the species that have ever existed. But if there is a long evolutionary history of apes in America, there should be something. Not all animals turn to fossils, but with that sort of radiation of primate species and if they were that successful, SOME would. What I was saying is that if Bigfoot evolved in America, I would expect some sort of record of at least intermediate species leading up to Bigfoot, but there is nothing at this point. I do not take this to be evidence that Bigfoot does not exist, just that it perhaps did not evolve in North America. Lack of fossils can be explained, sure, but I see nothing to support a full lineage of primates in America going back millions of years and leading up to Bigfoot.  I just feel it is premature to jump the gun and embrace the idea of an indigenous large ape that evolved here without any sort of record at all ( not yet anyway) to support that theory. It is a nifty idea, and there are some good ideas here on how it could happen, but for me the lack of evidence for diversification of different primates within America is too scant for me to hold too strongly to that theory.</p>
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		<title>By: joppa</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22567</link>
		<dc:creator>joppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people forget that the U.S. was heavily glaciated within the last 40,000 years. Glaciers grind up a lot of bones and the loess soils that blow off glacial areas bury 'em real deep. That said, it doesn't explain away the absence of a fossil record, but you are not going to find a African Rift valley equivalent in North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people forget that the U.S. was heavily glaciated within the last 40,000 years. Glaciers grind up a lot of bones and the loess soils that blow off glacial areas bury &#8216;em real deep. That said, it doesn&#8217;t explain away the absence of a fossil record, but you are not going to find a African Rift valley equivalent in North America.</p>
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		<title>By: bukko</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22566</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DWA, I can totally support your "Texas Cradle of Bigfoot" theroy. All ya gotta do is include Oklahoma and Arkansas and ya got the whole thing. I'm living here in Oklahoma and you're right. I think a whole lotta you people got the right idea. Good going.
   Plus, I think about the Smoky Mountains and all that area around those parts. It would be so easy for Bigfoot to live there. Around Mena, Arkansas, You go 3 miles any direction you're in deep woods. And we know what Texas' like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA, I can totally support your &#8220;Texas Cradle of Bigfoot&#8221; theroy. All ya gotta do is include Oklahoma and Arkansas and ya got the whole thing. I&#8217;m living here in Oklahoma and you&#8217;re right. I think a whole lotta you people got the right idea. Good going.<br />
   Plus, I think about the Smoky Mountains and all that area around those parts. It would be so easy for Bigfoot to live there. Around Mena, Arkansas, You go 3 miles any direction you&#8217;re in deep woods. And we know what Texas&#8217; like!</p>
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		<title>By: BugMO</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tx-primate/#comment-22565</link>
		<dc:creator>BugMO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've got a question, how many and what types of ancient primates used to live in the Americas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a question, how many and what types of ancient primates used to live in the Americas?</p>
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