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		<title>By: Hawk eye</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sasquatch-csi/#comment-23561</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawk eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bah...MANY corpses could have been found by now?  How many black bear corpses have been found just laying around in the woods?

People were just as resistant to the idea of the mountain gorilla.  Reports of this animal were circulating from the very beginning of British presence in Africa in the 1700's, but the animals themselves were not "discovered" until the 1920's.  Now that people know what to look for and where to look, they can be spotted with "relative" ease, although John Q. Public will not stumble across one.

It has been proposed that there may be as many as 4,000 to 9,000 of these animals in North America, based on estimates of what would be necessary to sustain a viable genetic pool.  Now, if by the same token, we can point to the fact that there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000 black bears in the eastern U.S., and relatively few people have actually seen a black bear in the wild, and even a tinier fraction still have stumbled across a corpse in the wild, I would say the odds of finding a Sasquatch corpse are pretty remote.
Still, wouldnt it be something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bah&#8230;MANY corpses could have been found by now?  How many black bear corpses have been found just laying around in the woods?</p>
<p>People were just as resistant to the idea of the mountain gorilla.  Reports of this animal were circulating from the very beginning of British presence in Africa in the 1700&#8217;s, but the animals themselves were not &#8220;discovered&#8221; until the 1920&#8217;s.  Now that people know what to look for and where to look, they can be spotted with &#8220;relative&#8221; ease, although John Q. Public will not stumble across one.</p>
<p>It has been proposed that there may be as many as 4,000 to 9,000 of these animals in North America, based on estimates of what would be necessary to sustain a viable genetic pool.  Now, if by the same token, we can point to the fact that there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000 black bears in the eastern U.S., and relatively few people have actually seen a black bear in the wild, and even a tinier fraction still have stumbled across a corpse in the wild, I would say the odds of finding a Sasquatch corpse are pretty remote.<br />
Still, wouldnt it be something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sasquatch-csi/#comment-23560</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MattBille:  I'm pretty sure that what's being talked about is sightings by people who have decided they want to keep their jobs.  So, in terms of what's being talked about, no, I wouldn't expect us to have a list of names.

I keep hearing about how, when a scientist sees one, we'll know; how the discoverer of the sasquatch (please, he's BEEN discovered, by tens of thousands of people, just not documented by people who don't want to be bothered) will be rich rich rich; about how we should have found a carcass, or somebody should have shot one or taken a conclusive photo by now (please, we have a MOVIE), etc.

Oh-kay.

Comments/questions:

1.  How do we know no one's taken a pic that would be compelling if we saw it?  Maybe this guy - these people - are convinced it isn't worth the headache to come forward, and are keeping their evidence to themselves.  Maybe all that matters to them is that THEY know.  (Of course that happens.  To many people.  Happened to me.  When I saw tracks, I really didn't give a fig who else knew but me and my girlfriend.  That is NORMAL.  Doesn't mean I don't want science to confirm it.  Just means I don't want to suffer the fools.  I'm content to let others be, and suffer, fools.  It's a personal thing.)

2.  Same with hunters.  Well, hold it, maybe not.  At least one hunter has reported killing one, with one shot.  Thinking he was shooting at a wounded moose he'd been tracking, if you think about it a perfectly logical thing to do in the dense brush he was hunting.  This was 1941, so he sure wasn't going to think sasquatch.  (People probably aren't confusing other things for sasquatch; they're probably seeing sasquatch and thinking other things.  Ya think?  Yes.  That's what one would expect normal people to do - presume they're seeing something known when they don't get a good look.)

3.  Same with corpses.  We've already talked on other threads about how MANY corpses could have been found by now - by people who decided it would be better not to talk.

But these are single data points.  Any one of them COULD be a lie, a hoax, a misidentification (the latter the least likely).  The data points need to be connected.

And this is a good sign that soon, that might even happen.  Now all we need to see is what "soon" means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattBille:  I&#8217;m pretty sure that what&#8217;s being talked about is sightings by people who have decided they want to keep their jobs.  So, in terms of what&#8217;s being talked about, no, I wouldn&#8217;t expect us to have a list of names.</p>
<p>I keep hearing about how, when a scientist sees one, we&#8217;ll know; how the discoverer of the sasquatch (please, he&#8217;s BEEN discovered, by tens of thousands of people, just not documented by people who don&#8217;t want to be bothered) will be rich rich rich; about how we should have found a carcass, or somebody should have shot one or taken a conclusive photo by now (please, we have a MOVIE), etc.</p>
<p>Oh-kay.</p>
<p>Comments/questions:</p>
<p>1.  How do we know no one&#8217;s taken a pic that would be compelling if we saw it?  Maybe this guy - these people - are convinced it isn&#8217;t worth the headache to come forward, and are keeping their evidence to themselves.  Maybe all that matters to them is that THEY know.  (Of course that happens.  To many people.  Happened to me.  When I saw tracks, I really didn&#8217;t give a fig who else knew but me and my girlfriend.  That is NORMAL.  Doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t want science to confirm it.  Just means I don&#8217;t want to suffer the fools.  I&#8217;m content to let others be, and suffer, fools.  It&#8217;s a personal thing.)</p>
<p>2.  Same with hunters.  Well, hold it, maybe not.  At least one hunter has reported killing one, with one shot.  Thinking he was shooting at a wounded moose he&#8217;d been tracking, if you think about it a perfectly logical thing to do in the dense brush he was hunting.  This was 1941, so he sure wasn&#8217;t going to think sasquatch.  (People probably aren&#8217;t confusing other things for sasquatch; they&#8217;re probably seeing sasquatch and thinking other things.  Ya think?  Yes.  That&#8217;s what one would expect normal people to do - presume they&#8217;re seeing something known when they don&#8217;t get a good look.)</p>
<p>3.  Same with corpses.  We&#8217;ve already talked on other threads about how MANY corpses could have been found by now - by people who decided it would be better not to talk.</p>
<p>But these are single data points.  Any one of them COULD be a lie, a hoax, a misidentification (the latter the least likely).  The data points need to be connected.</p>
<p>And this is a good sign that soon, that might even happen.  Now all we need to see is what &#8220;soon&#8221; means.</p>
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		<title>By: ShefZ28</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShefZ28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the mention that specific creatures have been identified to be very suprising. I've never heard of that before. Very nice article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the mention that specific creatures have been identified to be very suprising. I&#8217;ve never heard of that before. Very nice article.</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 01:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article says "In discussing sasquatch behavior and ecology based on hundreds of sightings reported by highly credible observers - including wildlife biologists, foresters, field geologists and law enforcement office..."

Sightings by wildlife biologists?  Anyone know what he's talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article says &#8220;In discussing sasquatch behavior and ecology based on hundreds of sightings reported by highly credible observers - including wildlife biologists, foresters, field geologists and law enforcement office&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sightings by wildlife biologists?  Anyone know what he&#8217;s talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written article by Mr. Lindsay. I was pleasantly surprised when I read the following-'Bindernagel goes on to note “a remarkable consistency in physical features and (apelike) behavior” of the creatures described. In some areas, such as Walla Walla’s Blue Mountains, recognizable individuals, based on sightings and footprints, have been recorded over several decades'. I was unaware that individuals were being tracked. Such 'tracking' can yield valuable information concerning this beast, not the least of which is just how long do these animals live?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written article by Mr. Lindsay. I was pleasantly surprised when I read the following-&#8217;Bindernagel goes on to note “a remarkable consistency in physical features and (apelike) behavior” of the creatures described. In some areas, such as Walla Walla’s Blue Mountains, recognizable individuals, based on sightings and footprints, have been recorded over several decades&#8217;. I was unaware that individuals were being tracked. Such &#8216;tracking&#8217; can yield valuable information concerning this beast, not the least of which is just how long do these animals live?</p>
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		<title>By: Excelsior Comics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Excelsior Comics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 21:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that a new generation of scientists are just now begining to emerge.  A generation that is more open to the idea of the "unknown" than previous generations have been.  Articles, like the one above, show us that there are many who are willing to listen to alternative views.  It has taken time to get us this far, but with paitence and perseverance we will see a future where mainstream academia takes these creatures seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that a new generation of scientists are just now begining to emerge.  A generation that is more open to the idea of the &#8220;unknown&#8221; than previous generations have been.  Articles, like the one above, show us that there are many who are willing to listen to alternative views.  It has taken time to get us this far, but with paitence and perseverance we will see a future where mainstream academia takes these creatures seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: cenoxo</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sasquatch-csi/#comment-23555</link>
		<dc:creator>cenoxo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only &lt;em&gt;habeas corpus&lt;/em&gt; — an intact body, examined dead or alive by a reputable group of qualified scientists— will be enough proof. A more-or-less complete skeleton (&lt;em&gt;in situ&lt;/em&gt;, with skull and hair) would be the next best thing.

A discovery on the scientific level of &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.archaeologiemuseum.it/index_ice.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ötzi the Iceman&lt;/a&gt; is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only <em>habeas corpus</em> — an intact body, examined dead or alive by a reputable group of qualified scientists— will be enough proof. A more-or-less complete skeleton (<em>in situ</em>, with skull and hair) would be the next best thing.</p>
<p>A discovery on the scientific level of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.archaeologiemuseum.it/index_ice.html" rel="nofollow">Ötzi the Iceman</a> is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: alanborky</title>
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		<dc:creator>alanborky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, articles like this are becoming more and more common in the mainstream.

To me, what's most important about them is precisely that they're NOT bombarding their readers with what their writers consider important evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, UFOs, the paranormal, etc..

But rather, they exhibit their authors' sheer curiosity, at the same time seeking to stimulate a similar sheer curiosity in their readership.

[If this'd been a piece on psi abilities I could've said they were psi-curious, punning on the lines of bi-curious, but you just had to make it about flamin' sasquatches!]

And I suspect it's precisely this sort of cool-headed sincere curiosity, in the face of all the overly ardent advocacy, (both for and against this and all the other similarly more outre fields), which's led to the increasingly hysterical resort to legal manoeuvres on the skeptopaths' part.

Stanton Friedman, with some justification, often refers to the antics of the "Noisy Negativists".

But the "Noisy Negativists" have equally ferocious counterparts on the other side of the argument who might be styled "Pushy Positivists", (though I myself tend to refer to them as "all-believers" because they seem to believe EVERYTHING is proof of whatever's their fave obsession and, like the "Noisy Negativists, seem incapable of accepting the least querying of their position).

The point being, the skeptopaths/"Noisy Negativists" love the zeal and ferocity of the all-believers/"Pushy Positivists", because they do as good a job of warding off 'civilians' from these fields as do the skeptos themselves.

Yet items like this piece you've posted hint at the possibility things won't always be this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, articles like this are becoming more and more common in the mainstream.</p>
<p>To me, what&#8217;s most important about them is precisely that they&#8217;re NOT bombarding their readers with what their writers consider important evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, UFOs, the paranormal, etc..</p>
<p>But rather, they exhibit their authors&#8217; sheer curiosity, at the same time seeking to stimulate a similar sheer curiosity in their readership.</p>
<p>[If this'd been a piece on psi abilities I could've said they were psi-curious, punning on the lines of bi-curious, but you just had to make it about flamin' sasquatches!]</p>
<p>And I suspect it&#8217;s precisely this sort of cool-headed sincere curiosity, in the face of all the overly ardent advocacy, (both for and against this and all the other similarly more outre fields), which&#8217;s led to the increasingly hysterical resort to legal manoeuvres on the skeptopaths&#8217; part.</p>
<p>Stanton Friedman, with some justification, often refers to the antics of the &#8220;Noisy Negativists&#8221;.</p>
<p>But the &#8220;Noisy Negativists&#8221; have equally ferocious counterparts on the other side of the argument who might be styled &#8220;Pushy Positivists&#8221;, (though I myself tend to refer to them as &#8220;all-believers&#8221; because they seem to believe EVERYTHING is proof of whatever&#8217;s their fave obsession and, like the &#8220;Noisy Negativists, seem incapable of accepting the least querying of their position).</p>
<p>The point being, the skeptopaths/&#8221;Noisy Negativists&#8221; love the zeal and ferocity of the all-believers/&#8221;Pushy Positivists&#8221;, because they do as good a job of warding off &#8216;civilians&#8217; from these fields as do the skeptos themselves.</p>
<p>Yet items like this piece you&#8217;ve posted hint at the possibility things won&#8217;t always be this way.</p>
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