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A New Sasquatch Conspiracy?

Posted by: Craig Woolheater on December 27th, 2006

A new government conspiracy AND a film to make the Patterson-Gimlin film look like a footnote? Wow!

Steve Kulls, the Squatch Detective, has posted the following to his blog:

I have just returned from what most likely will be my last expedition of the year, returning from Kentucky. Where, I will not say out of respect for the operation on-going there.

What I can say is this… We did not discover any sign of a creature present at this time. What we did discover is a clandestine operation underway to investigate the creature we try so hard to seek. We do know that there is a film or films that exist that may make the P/G film seem a footnote, rather than a story. We’ve had several independent corroborations that at least one film exists, and that it looked real, even to non-believers.

We do know that a scientist with a PhD in Ecology and a PhD in Evolutionary Biology is stationed at the residence in question, bought by a corporation that appears not to exist. We have corroborated that the scientist has had an interest in the Bigfoot phenomena since at least May of 2005. And it would appear that the operation may have began as early as December of 2005.

Another interesting note is the people who have since relocated off the property, have seemed to have gone “off the grid”, since their move. We did manage to track them down, and the property they have relocated seems to have no public record of their new deed and the property’s existence, seems to have fallen “off the grid”, in December of 2005.

Now going “off the grid” sounds more like a government operation than anything else. Are they assisting in the funding or at least in the secrecy of this supposedly privately financed project?

Makes one wonder, for sure. But anyhow, hopefully sometime in the near future, we will see the fruits of their investigation. And as always we wish them the very best of luck.

What are we to make of this? This is supposedly taking place in Kentucky.

Now if this film is of a “Bigfoot” eating pancakes in Kentucky, I won’t believe a word of it!

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Darkstream responds: December 27th, 2006 at 9:51 am
Two eye opening stories out of Kentucky in one morning. What a way to start my day. Thanks!
Do keep us posted if you ever hear of anything. As always, when a report has anonymous and secret bits I tend to get skeptical, but I’d love to see new video of Bigfoot, even eating pancakes!
DWA responds: December 27th, 2006 at 10:12 am
whoo brother. Well, here’s what gives crypto a bad name.

1. The “knowledge” of a nonexistent film;
2. The omnipresent PhD to be named later;
3. The oh-so-convenient nonexistent corporation.
(3a. Oh. and three years of a hypersupersecretdecoderring-type operation…and NOTHING worth going public with. What are they doing, CLONING them?)
4. The supersecret operation to find A BIG APE. Did I mention that?

This HURTS the cause. It doesn’t help. It’s like being code-orange all the time. You get tired of it. Your guard goes way down and you stop giving any of it the time of day.

IT’S A BIG APE. What’s the huge deal here? I mean, other than the zoological find of the past hundred years? Maybe if we stopped treating it like an episode of I-SPY, somebody might get the time and funding to get to the bottom of it. From a not so supersecret, in fact even real, corporation. Or fergodsake, government.

Just a query. Where’s Ted Turner when you NEED him?
silvereagle responds: December 27th, 2006 at 10:30 am
In the past, the AP appears to publish an article every 6 to 12 months, that alludes to the non-existence of the bigfoot. With the advent of recent national bigfoot commercials that tends to both humorize and humanize bigfoot, this goal seems to have been reduced in priority. Skeptics, lacking the adrenaline boost of anti-bigfoot publicity, are apparently stumbling all over themselves in their attempt to scrape together their own public announcements, that gives them a reason to go on.
Georgia_Bigfoot responds: December 27th, 2006 at 11:16 am
“Now if this film is of a ‘Bigfoot’ eating pancakes in Kentucky, I won’t believe a word of it!”

Indeed. The only thing that film is good for is comedic relief.

As for these other claims who’s to say? It honestly wouldn’t surprise me to see a corporation take a vested interest in the subject assuming they were provided enough evidence to see the potential monetary gain.

If they can use dead movie stars to hock their wares then why not a living sasquatch?
mystery_man responds: December 27th, 2006 at 11:28 am
This article says a lot of “we know this”, and “we know that”. But how are WE supposed to know? This is very compelling, but honestly for all we know, this could all be pure fabrication. There is no evidence here to back up what is being said and we are merely expected to take their word for it. If we do not take some Bigfoot witnesses’ word for it, then why should we believe what is being said here? As interesting as this would be if it is true, there is simply nothing at this point to corroborate any of this. Why all the cloak and dagger stuff? Perhaps I am being harsh, but this sounds a lot like a big conspiracy theory to me.
Ceroill responds: December 27th, 2006 at 12:44 pm
My question is: Which was bought by the corporation? The residence or the PhD? The syntax used leaves this open to interpretation. And the whole corporate conspiracy idea makes me really wonder which he meant.

Not that I feel this tall tale has any real chance of being true.
DavidFullam responds: December 27th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
All sounds like a movie for Sci Fi. “The Bigfoot Conspiracy” has a nice ring to it.
gridbug responds: December 27th, 2006 at 2:08 pm
As possibly far-fetched as that scenario sounds, consider the “Forest Fire Sasquatch” story; if a badly burned cryptid was recovered by forestry officials, I’m fairly certain that the situation would be handled in “official circles” that would not be privy to the public at large, thus keeping it from our view. The incident would most likely warrant further investigation into the now-proven existence of the creatures, but from an insider only need-to-know perspective, not unlike the song and dance the USAF does with regard to ongoing UFO investigation. I’d think that with all the high tech satellite surveillance equipment they have at their disposal, training one of their super-zoom infra-reds at the Pacific Northwest would be the first order.

Can’t wait to see how this one plays out.
greywolf responds: December 27th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
I will wait and see!
joppa responds: December 27th, 2006 at 3:26 pm
I saw this posted last week and ho-hum, here we go again. Is Sylvanic in Kentucky? There is a Transylvania, so maybe we’ll get a werewolf and vampire thrown in for good measure.

Maybe the film will be called Transylvanic.
sasquatched responds: December 27th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Well, knowing Steve, I know he’s not a BS’er by any means, so it will be interesting to see how/if this pans out. And a professional PI with training and experience, he does know how to investigate people and property throughly. Could he be wrong, sure, and I’m sure he will gladly own up to being wrong if it turns out he is. Jury is out until we hear more. And I give him all the credit for being someone who gets out and investigates things. He must have been through 1/2 the states in the Midwest and and eastern united states in the last 6 mos. alone looking for biggy.
dontgd responds: December 27th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
“Off the grid?” Why does this remind me more of my realtor trying to track down a company that owned an abandoned house in my neighborhood to finally find out it was a corporation set up as a trust by the heirs of a wealthy doctor who owned the house as an investment rental. Why do I think “off the grid” means little more than “not on google.”
Ceroill responds: December 27th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
Interesting, to me the term ‘off the grid’ implies not connected to the local power utility, and presumably with private power generation.
MattBille responds: December 27th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
The word of one person, with not a single detail that can be checked or corroborated. It might all be true, but I’m not giving it any thought until there’s some substance.
bill green responds: December 27th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
hey craig & everyone this is definetly a very interesting article about the ky sasquatch situation im not sure if there is some sort of conspiracy, please keep me informed ok. thanks bill
squatchdetective responds: December 27th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
Please do not take this as terse as sometimes prose, is a lot harder to understand emphasis, than oration.

I can attest to the authenticity of the facts that there is a Ph.d, with an interest in Bigfoot present. The authenticity of records not being there when they should be. So if anyone doubts that authenticity please email me, and I’ll send you my phone number and we can talk and I’ll walk you step by step. What I will not do is compromise an investigation that is not my own. That’s why I took great lengths to generalize it as much as possible.

Now from what I’ve heard about the film, some are telling me now that it isn’t what it is cracked up to be, which would not surprise me in the least. Father always said something about things being too good to be true.

I find it difficult why someone would shoot off the grid like that and there were some anomalies with the histories of the people involved. Does that mean 100% I believe the government is involved? No…Heck NO…but it would take a lot of “bank” to make that happen and perhaps some legal name changes as well, but the possibility is there more so than the latter.

What it is was, as far as my article/blog was concerned was a piece of reporting and I have the documentation to back such a story up. It was not my own investigation, but was actually written to foster hope that PERHAPS the government is finally taking notice.

So I ask instead of posting your beliefs, based on opinions, call me and get the facts. I’ll readily share, but again will not compromise their investigation or expose the players.

As for the commenter that supposed this is the reason why we do not get funding from the government, please do not be so naive, as we have so many people on their own dime, the government won’t justify any tax dollars going to it, unless someone comes up with a spectacular find.

Which is what we all need to be trying to do.
shovethenos responds: December 27th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
Note that some of the reports of sightings and vocalizations in conjunction with helicopters and gunshots occurred in the south.
mystery_man responds: December 27th, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Squatchdetective, thank you for being so open and forthcoming about all of this. A lot of times this kind of stuff comes out and then everyone goes quiet, so I feel it is very helpful that you came out with your offer to contact you. I must honestly say that I have my doubts, and sorry if my personal post sounded a bit harsh. I will try and give this the benefit of the doubt and see how it goes for now. Unfortunately I am very busy and cannot follow up your offer for more authentification and information. I have my own research to attend to. However, please keep Loren and the rest of us at Cryptomundo up to date on what is going on!
MattBille responds: December 28th, 2006 at 12:23 am
Kudos to Squatchdetective for responding to the list and standing his ground. I certainly hope my suspicions are wrong and there is sasquatch evidence behind this somewhere.

Matt
oldbutnotstupid responds: December 28th, 2006 at 7:14 am
Let’s see now. Sounds so familiar. Make the fools think conspiracy so they don’t notice the government run military or illegal operation going on right under their noses.

Sounds a little UFOey to me. Smells of US Government alright.
squatchdetective responds: December 28th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
Thanks for the kind words folks. For those who know me really well, and even last month when I was on Nightwatch Radio, when asked if I believe if there was a government cover-up (just prior to this trip), I stated NO because a Sasquatch would not pose a threat to national security.

I truly believe this is a privately funded operation, with the strong possibility that the government is helping it in covering some of the ends up, perhaps even some “bling”. But that’s a stretch with the money part.

In the 60’s the CIA had used Clay Shaw, a big time business magnate to fund operations in Cuba, so it is within the realm of possibility. But again the pro-communist movement in Cuba in the 60’s posed an obvious threat to national security.

But I do not subscribe to ANY conspiracy theory without proof, and I believe I have found at least some circumstantial evidence. But not beyond reasonable doubt.

I am no longer investigating this matter, and an investigation into someone else research was not my intention and creature activity in the area seemed non-existent, at least at the time of my visit. So hopefully the folks there within the next year may come out with some good stuff!

Looking forward to a great 2007! Everyone be safe & healthy!
MattBille responds: December 28th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
There are cases in which a government agency is aware of a wildlife-related issue and tries to keep it quiet until more science is done. The ivory-billed woodpecker investigation is the most famous example. A private foundation or company donating money and effort, with the hopes of reaping good publicity later, can also be involved, although the more players are involved, the higher the chance of leaks. The suspected involvement of intelligence agencies seems unlikely, since, as Mr. Kulls notes, there is no motive.

Comparing the original description of the film, saying there were “several independent corroborations” of its clearity and importance vs. Mr. Kulls’ later post saying it now sounded unimpressive is puzzling, to say the least. Either there were independent corroborations, or there were not. Which is it? That contradiction leads me to wonder if someone was making up any or all of the information that found its way to Mr. Kulls.

If I had to bet, I’d bet nothing more will ever be heard of this.

Regards,
Matt Bille
qumrum responds: December 28th, 2006 at 9:15 pm
Squatchdetective rocks!!!
deepsquatch responds: December 29th, 2006 at 12:46 am
I am a former BFRO member with some knowledge of this matter. Steve Kulls is wrong about the government having anything to do with the witness going “off grid”. He did that for his own reasons. There is no reason to think the government has anything to do with this case.

I would gladly comment about the videos, but I haven’t seen them. I heard they were fantastic, but they’ve had them for more than a year and have still not released them, or even shown them to other researchers, so they must not be quite enough to make Patty a footnote afterall.
Buzzardeater responds: December 30th, 2006 at 8:54 am
Hi, Happy holidays, everyone!

If one were to consider, even briefly, what a Sasquatch would mean to contemporary science, you can quickly see why there might be corporate or governmental interest.

It is easy, also, to understand why the professionals needed in a serious study would be ‘off the grid’ to preserve their careers. Scientists frequently take sabbaticals to pursue unpublished interests.

As well, the nature of the work leaves several ethical doors open. If, for instance, the investigator is found to have ‘collected’ a variety of human there will be ramifications, legal and otherwise. A collected specimen might also become the wholly owned property of an interested party.

What would DNA that is analogous to humans be worth? Consider the element of humans outside of ourselves, unprotected for years by legal definition and what could be done with the raw material.

Cloning, organ farming, vivisection, all can be safely performed in safety if your subject does not officially exist! Why would we brutalize our own brethren? We do so every day to other primates. Even after conversing with Coco we still hunt Gorillas for food. I digress.

The immediate concerns that might spur research in this area are all based on the assumption that the Sasquatch are a people. If they are an ape, they are much less useful. I leave you with some musings; what is the largest impediment to sustained weightlessness? It is the loss of bone density. What if we had access to heavier bones? Sharks do not get cancer, what are Sasquatches immune to? If Sasquatches can see in the dark, why not us? Why not, indeed.
yowies responds: December 30th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
“IT’S A BIG APE. What’s the huge deal here?”

Excellent, and it just pops up all over the world and cannot be shot/killed/photographed etc.

Simple “answer” that fails with no logic or evidence.

The huge deal is here is that it is more complicated than it appears.
DWA responds: December 30th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Yowies: Occam’s Razor says you’re wrong. It’s just what it appears to be, i.e.: we can’t find a simple big ape.

Or, um, not.

It’s our usual tendency to make stuff bigger than it really is (the reason Occam saw the need for the Razor in the first place).

Whatever this is, it sure as hell can be shot/killed/photographed, and accounts indicate that it’s been all of these and more, particularly SEEN by lots of people.

If the critter does indeed exist, of course, it seems logical to presume that its cryptic behavior stems from its negative experiences with people — just like that of virtually every other animal. This one, being a primate, is just a wee tad smarter, that’s all. And it doesn’t “just pop up all over the world,” because it’s not one individual, which that line clearly implies you think it is; there’s more than one species, living in more than one place. (If, of course, they exist.) Plenty of precedent for that in the animal world, oui?

There’s NO species easier to fool than us, when you get right down to it. It’s all the stuff we think we know that gets in the way of our knowledge.
KentuckyCrypt1-1-06 responds: January 2nd, 2007 at 12:01 am
Does anyone know where this is taking place in Kentucky? Is this in Henderson County as well? I haven’t heard anything about it, although you don’t here very much about such subjects where I live.
JSimson responds: January 3rd, 2007 at 6:38 am
Sounds like a tin bucket full of horse pucky to me! There isn’t even a good storyline involved in the post, just a lot of cloak and dagger, finger pointing, secret handshake stuff. Were it me, I’d have kept this train of thought to myself until I could back my claims up with something more than innuendo!

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