Comments on: Patterson/Gimlin Film a Proven Hoax?

By: JacK_RabBiT

JacK_RabBiT — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:28:21 +0000

Probably ressurecting a dead thread here, but just wanted to note that the arm length as proof for the footage isn’t that strong.

I can touch my knees standing straight which is kind of freaky but great in sports lol.

By: manycoloredcrow

manycoloredcrow — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:49:59 +0000

All I can say is I have met Bob Gimlin and talked with him at the Bigfoot Daze in Washington State. I found him to be sincere, credible, and adamant that film was no fake, and that he and Roger Patterson could not have afforded to pay any actor anything. The man is deadly serious, if he is a liar, he has fooled me completely. I also met Dr. Grover Krantz, and until his death he maintained that film was consistent with a large, hairy, bipedal, unknown primate. Dr. Krantz discussed at the Bigfoot Daze festival the body movements, of said creature. He talked about how the gait was only possible for a human if you broke bones or put them out of joint. The one that got me is where the Bigfoot turned, and looked at Patterson. It turned its whole body, as an ape would do, because their heads are stuck directly on their shoulders. Watch an ape, if you drop something, either it turns its whole body, or lifts its head up and over. The creature in the film does this exactly. It turns its whole body. Dr. Krantz also said, and so do I, Bob Gimlin is a wise, and well spoken man, but he is no primatologist, and he could not know, nor did Patterson, about ape movement. No one can exactly approximate the creatures movement. Because the creature is simply not human. If you believe nothing else, listen to Bob Gimlin when he speaks. The man is very credible, and tells exactly the same story he did all those years ago. A liar would make mistakes, or variations, and have incosistencies. He tells exactly the same story as years ago. These are all things to think about. If this is a hoax, it has fooled sceintists the world over, and skeptics as well. I personally believe it is exactly what it purports to be a film of a large, unknown, hairy hominid. This is my opinion. Others will undoubtedly reach different ones, I respect that, but I want to be on record that I think Bob Gimlin is neither a liar, crazy, or a hoaxer.

By: youcantryreachingme

youcantryreachingme — Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:41:56 +0000

Actually, this bigfoot-sized photo of Andre the Giant demonstrates the point nicely.

By: youcantryreachingme

youcantryreachingme — Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:33:53 +0000

Fuzzy (4) points us to a stabilised version of the footage.

That site has a second stabilised version which zooms in at various points.

There is a good description of why each zoom is significant.

The Bigfoot Researchers Organization, in their Truth Before our Eyes article, goes to great length (pardon the pun) explaining why it is not possible that the figure is a person. The logic is simply that the proportions between arms and legs do not match (taken with the zoomed footage showing hand movement).

To help simplify the explanation, take a look at the footage. Where do the bigfoot’s right finger tips swing past its leg? At the top of its knee (seen just before it turns around for a look and especially whilst looking backwards and the arm swings forwards - as this view is practically side-on).

Now stand up and see where your hands come to against your legs.

Still not sure? Walk a little. Using a normal gait, your knees will not rise anywhere near high enough for your fingertips to come close to your knees.

Note that this logic (and hence the article’s) depend on the camera being on a horizontal from the bigfoot. If, say, the camera were raised above the bigfoot and looking down, then it could *appear* that the hands move past the knees.

Knowing a human’s actual arm/leg ratio would enable you to calculate the angle that the camera would have to be above horizontal to acheive that effect. I don’t know the ratio and haven’t got the time, but instinct tells me the camera is not raised anywhere near enough.

In other words, the arm length is a good point.

The article’s apparently absurd claim that the actual arm lengths of either human or bigfoot, and even the precise accuracy of the ratio measurements are quite valid.

By: Mnynames

Mnynames — Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:51:01 +0000

Let me just reiterate that I am not saying that it IS a suit, just proposing a possible explanation if it was one…

By: Mnynames

Mnynames — Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:49:15 +0000

Ok…not that I’m advocating that it’s a hoax, as I myself tend to find the footage persuasive, but I have a possible solution to the zipper issue- Maybe there isn’t one. Having big breasts, the suit is obviously custom-made, not just some discount gorilla suit. So perhaps it’s a 2-piece construction, the top of the hairy pants being hidden by overhanging fur from the hairy shirt. If there is any visible seam on it, it seems to me that it is there, at the waist. Has anyone investigated that angle?

By: wendysjungle

wendysjungle — Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:24:22 +0000

Oh boy, this is the first time I have seen the stabilized footage. Up until now I had no opinion on the real vs. hoax question, but this footage has me leaning much more towards hoax. There is nothing that looks remotely like any animal in that walk, and everything that looks human!

By: Josh Harris

Josh Harris — Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:14:21 +0000

You can’t really prove it’s a hoax unless one of them says it is.

By: stonelk

stonelk — Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:46:05 +0000

I have seen the stablized pic, I still don’t see the zipper. As to the bottoms of the feet. If the feet are damp sand and soil may cling to them.I hate to wear shoes and rub pine pitch on the soles of my feet in the summer. I have made it as far as 8,000 feet up the side of Mt Adams without boots.Would have gone farther but my feet got cold.

By: Mike Smith

Mike Smith — Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:18:24 +0000

The blog sent by RocketSeason about the guy that clams to be the one in the suit. Yes his walk did look some what the same, and his body did during the filming of the program looked close,but I can show you 50 people that walk the sameway, and most males bodys as they get older start to look the same as his due to the body starting to lose muscle tone. It happens to all of us.