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		<title>By: rchambers</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about 35 years ago I lived in el paso ark, there was two black panthers on the prowl. All us kids had to be in before dark you could hear them screaming in the night. They where attacking horses some of the older men would be out at night to try and kill them when they would come for their horses. I was with my parents in the pasture and had two run across. Then when I was about 18  yrs old I was deer hunting on bull creek the same area of all the sightings. I was sitting on a limb in a tree not very high when a coal black panther walked up under me growling. He was huge as the one at the little rock zoo. I aimed at him but chickened out. What if I wound him he could be on me in a second, so I just let him walk away. Soon as i could I left. So when I hear there are no black panthers in Arkansas, I just laugh but I&#039;m sure there not many anymore but they used to be very common in Arkansas 200 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about 35 years ago I lived in el paso ark, there was two black panthers on the prowl. All us kids had to be in before dark you could hear them screaming in the night. They where attacking horses some of the older men would be out at night to try and kill them when they would come for their horses. I was with my parents in the pasture and had two run across. Then when I was about 18  yrs old I was deer hunting on bull creek the same area of all the sightings. I was sitting on a limb in a tree not very high when a coal black panther walked up under me growling. He was huge as the one at the little rock zoo. I aimed at him but chickened out. What if I wound him he could be on me in a second, so I just let him walk away. Soon as i could I left. So when I hear there are no black panthers in Arkansas, I just laugh but I&#8217;m sure there not many anymore but they used to be very common in Arkansas 200 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Blondebomber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blondebomber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughts and recollections from the West Coast...

In response to those who say that coyotes will not attack livestock or run in packs. Well, I am unaware of the behavior of coyotes in Oklahoma and Texas, but while growing up on a ranch in rural Northern CA, I observed that coyotes will run in temporary packs whenever it suits them.  I have seen them take calves, large bucks, does, PLENTY of sheep, goats, and I once found a dead, and picked clean to the bones elk with a helluva lot of coyote tracks around it.  Some might say that the elk died of natural causes or disease, but I tracked it for more than two miles, and from what I could observe from the pattern of the tracks (fresh snow makes this VERY easy), it had been running, and seven or eight coyotes had been chasing it.  It is my belief that they took it by running it to death, which is a tactic they use on deer in that general area.  Of course, some of the coyotes in this small area are much larger than most &#039;experts&#039; suggest they can grow.  In response to a sheepherder neighbor&#039;s request, my friend and I staged a hunt to get rid of a couple of &#039;monster&#039; coyotes that he was complaining about.  He said he had lost six sheep in two weeks, so we agreed to help, assuming that what we were probably going to find was a cougar, which are quite plentiful in Nor Cal.

We were skeptical, but after some hard work, I took a coyote that weighed-in at 46 lbs, and my friend took another that was over 50. That is a BIG coyote.  Since I no longer live on the ranch, and since my survival no longer hinges on the survival of livestock, I no longer hunt coyotes.

This is not to say that I don&#039;t think there are black cats.

I do not doubt that there are black cats running around in Oaklahoma.  I do not doubt that there may be a subspecies of cougar that may frequently come in black.  If I was still hunting, I would very much like to take some my friends, some rifles and cameras, and some of the tactics we have learned down into Oaklahoma.  If this kitty-cat down there IS a leapord, then leapord-hunting tactics must be put into operation; whether the eventual goal is to photo it or drop its carcass onto a wildlife expert&#039;s desk.  If it&#039;s a Jaguar, then Jaguar-hunting tactics must be used.  If it is a Cougar, well, you get the idea.  The tactics used for successful hunts on each of these big cats are VERY different, and I fail to see why they would not use them; even if the primary weaponry they plan to use is photography.   If standard &quot;Cougar&quot; tactics aren&#039;t working, it may be a fair bet that they are dealing with something else.  If I had the time, I&#039;d be down there decked out in camo, snug in a blind, watching a bait-tree with sweaty palms and cold chills, listening to the crunch of dead leaves, feeling the wind on my face...

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughts and recollections from the West Coast&#8230;</p>
<p>In response to those who say that coyotes will not attack livestock or run in packs. Well, I am unaware of the behavior of coyotes in Oklahoma and Texas, but while growing up on a ranch in rural Northern CA, I observed that coyotes will run in temporary packs whenever it suits them.  I have seen them take calves, large bucks, does, PLENTY of sheep, goats, and I once found a dead, and picked clean to the bones elk with a helluva lot of coyote tracks around it.  Some might say that the elk died of natural causes or disease, but I tracked it for more than two miles, and from what I could observe from the pattern of the tracks (fresh snow makes this VERY easy), it had been running, and seven or eight coyotes had been chasing it.  It is my belief that they took it by running it to death, which is a tactic they use on deer in that general area.  Of course, some of the coyotes in this small area are much larger than most &#8216;experts&#8217; suggest they can grow.  In response to a sheepherder neighbor&#8217;s request, my friend and I staged a hunt to get rid of a couple of &#8216;monster&#8217; coyotes that he was complaining about.  He said he had lost six sheep in two weeks, so we agreed to help, assuming that what we were probably going to find was a cougar, which are quite plentiful in Nor Cal.</p>
<p>We were skeptical, but after some hard work, I took a coyote that weighed-in at 46 lbs, and my friend took another that was over 50. That is a BIG coyote.  Since I no longer live on the ranch, and since my survival no longer hinges on the survival of livestock, I no longer hunt coyotes.</p>
<p>This is not to say that I don&#8217;t think there are black cats.</p>
<p>I do not doubt that there are black cats running around in Oaklahoma.  I do not doubt that there may be a subspecies of cougar that may frequently come in black.  If I was still hunting, I would very much like to take some my friends, some rifles and cameras, and some of the tactics we have learned down into Oaklahoma.  If this kitty-cat down there IS a leapord, then leapord-hunting tactics must be put into operation; whether the eventual goal is to photo it or drop its carcass onto a wildlife expert&#8217;s desk.  If it&#8217;s a Jaguar, then Jaguar-hunting tactics must be used.  If it is a Cougar, well, you get the idea.  The tactics used for successful hunts on each of these big cats are VERY different, and I fail to see why they would not use them; even if the primary weaponry they plan to use is photography.   If standard &#8220;Cougar&#8221; tactics aren&#8217;t working, it may be a fair bet that they are dealing with something else.  If I had the time, I&#8217;d be down there decked out in camo, snug in a blind, watching a bait-tree with sweaty palms and cold chills, listening to the crunch of dead leaves, feeling the wind on my face&#8230;</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: KarcassticMangoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>KarcassticMangoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in North Texas and have seen a cougar on our property a couple of times (we live on a ranch).  It was NOT a bobcat, we see tons of those.  When we called the game warden he promptly told us there WERE no panthers in North Texas and hung up.  I have a feeling it&#039;s too much work for them to alert the public about an animal who, in almost every instance, will not harm humans.  And even if a panther were to attack someone around here, the obvious question would be, &quot;WHY WERE YOU HARASSING A PANTHER?!&quot; I can understand not wanting to create a panic, but when you live in an area that has 600 bare acres surrounding you, it&#039;s insulting that people will tell you it&#039;s just a myth that cougars are in your neck of the woods, especially when you&#039;ve driven up in your driveway and there&#039;s one sitting there.

And in response to what chooch has said, my neighbor suspected our dog of killing four or five of his goats in one night.  Apparently, these goats were ripped apart, their skin peeled off.  It always seemed more likely to me that a pack of dogs would have done that, but ours was the only one in the area at the time, and coyotes DO NOT venture up into peoples&#039; yards to attack ANY livestock.  It&#039;s just too close.  I&#039;ve always wondered if it could have been the work of the local panther (that doesn&#039;t exist, mind you).

A few days after he claimed our dog killed his goats, he came down on our property and shot our dog.  I suppose it&#039;s all moot point now, but more now than ever I want publicity on the panther that lives here so I can redeem my innocent dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in North Texas and have seen a cougar on our property a couple of times (we live on a ranch).  It was NOT a bobcat, we see tons of those.  When we called the game warden he promptly told us there WERE no panthers in North Texas and hung up.  I have a feeling it&#8217;s too much work for them to alert the public about an animal who, in almost every instance, will not harm humans.  And even if a panther were to attack someone around here, the obvious question would be, &#8220;WHY WERE YOU HARASSING A PANTHER?!&#8221; I can understand not wanting to create a panic, but when you live in an area that has 600 bare acres surrounding you, it&#8217;s insulting that people will tell you it&#8217;s just a myth that cougars are in your neck of the woods, especially when you&#8217;ve driven up in your driveway and there&#8217;s one sitting there.</p>
<p>And in response to what chooch has said, my neighbor suspected our dog of killing four or five of his goats in one night.  Apparently, these goats were ripped apart, their skin peeled off.  It always seemed more likely to me that a pack of dogs would have done that, but ours was the only one in the area at the time, and coyotes DO NOT venture up into peoples&#8217; yards to attack ANY livestock.  It&#8217;s just too close.  I&#8217;ve always wondered if it could have been the work of the local panther (that doesn&#8217;t exist, mind you).</p>
<p>A few days after he claimed our dog killed his goats, he came down on our property and shot our dog.  I suppose it&#8217;s all moot point now, but more now than ever I want publicity on the panther that lives here so I can redeem my innocent dog.</p>
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		<title>By: chooch</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most rural dwellers in Arkansas and Oklahoma are well aware of seasonal panther migration - typically spring and fall. It&#039;s been going on at least since I was a woods-running teenage kid in the 1960&#039;s - and probably for thousands of years prior.

Oklahoma wildlife officers admit to the existence of a panther population here in the Cherokee Nation of northeast Oklahoma.

In May 2006 my wife and I heard a panther scream in the gully behind our house - and the Arkansas state border is less than a mile away. I doubt the big cats are put off by state borders or by the higher tax base in Arkansas.

To quote the Arkansas wildlife expert:

“If it’s livestock that’s been killed, it’s usually killed by coyotes,” Sasse said.

There is nothing cryptic about coyotes.

But that quote says volumes about Sasse&#039;s inherent lack of wildlife knowledge.

Coyotes, unlike wolves and feral dogs, do not hunt in large packs - usually alone or in pairs at most - and are therefore logistically incapable of taking down &quot;livestock&quot; as prey.

I&#039;ve been a coyote watcher some 40 years here in Oklahoma - with countless observations of coyotes moving placidly through cattle herds (day and night) to dine on milk droppings left by nursing calves.

Never once have I seen coyotes attack a calf or a cow, nor witnessed a cattle herd being spooked by coyotes. They seem to co-exist quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most rural dwellers in Arkansas and Oklahoma are well aware of seasonal panther migration &#8211; typically spring and fall. It&#8217;s been going on at least since I was a woods-running teenage kid in the 1960&#8217;s &#8211; and probably for thousands of years prior.</p>
<p>Oklahoma wildlife officers admit to the existence of a panther population here in the Cherokee Nation of northeast Oklahoma.</p>
<p>In May 2006 my wife and I heard a panther scream in the gully behind our house &#8211; and the Arkansas state border is less than a mile away. I doubt the big cats are put off by state borders or by the higher tax base in Arkansas.</p>
<p>To quote the Arkansas wildlife expert:</p>
<p>“If it’s livestock that’s been killed, it’s usually killed by coyotes,” Sasse said.</p>
<p>There is nothing cryptic about coyotes.</p>
<p>But that quote says volumes about Sasse&#8217;s inherent lack of wildlife knowledge.</p>
<p>Coyotes, unlike wolves and feral dogs, do not hunt in large packs &#8211; usually alone or in pairs at most &#8211; and are therefore logistically incapable of taking down &#8220;livestock&#8221; as prey.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a coyote watcher some 40 years here in Oklahoma &#8211; with countless observations of coyotes moving placidly through cattle herds (day and night) to dine on milk droppings left by nursing calves.</p>
<p>Never once have I seen coyotes attack a calf or a cow, nor witnessed a cattle herd being spooked by coyotes. They seem to co-exist quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a child, I sat enthralled listening to oldtimers tell panther stories from their youth.  Panthers screaming like women, panthers following them home, panthers attacking horses and livestock.  This was Scott and Montgomery counties (a very rural area to this day).  These Arkansas panthers seemed to get more elusive with encroaching civilization.  All those old folks weren&#039;t lying, were they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a child, I sat enthralled listening to oldtimers tell panther stories from their youth.  Panthers screaming like women, panthers following them home, panthers attacking horses and livestock.  This was Scott and Montgomery counties (a very rural area to this day).  These Arkansas panthers seemed to get more elusive with encroaching civilization.  All those old folks weren&#8217;t lying, were they?</p>
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		<title>By: Rillo777</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rillo777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How true mnynames. Makes me wonder if these people just couldn&#039;t get another job. Perhaps we should give up the bigfoot search and try to get pictures of these &quot;experts&quot; in the wild. I&#039;m betting it would be an even rarer event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How true mnynames. Makes me wonder if these people just couldn&#8217;t get another job. Perhaps we should give up the bigfoot search and try to get pictures of these &#8220;experts&#8221; in the wild. I&#8217;m betting it would be an even rarer event.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnynames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mnynames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because you don&#039;t have to protect what doesn&#039;t officially exist?  I swear, in all these panther stories I&#039;ve seen, the wildlife officers come off as being just plain bored, as if they can&#039;t be bothered to even go out into the field.  One would think that a wildlife officer would actually have some interest in wildlife, but these guys come off as total couch potato bureacrats.  Who hires these dolts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because you don&#8217;t have to protect what doesn&#8217;t officially exist?  I swear, in all these panther stories I&#8217;ve seen, the wildlife officers come off as being just plain bored, as if they can&#8217;t be bothered to even go out into the field.  One would think that a wildlife officer would actually have some interest in wildlife, but these guys come off as total couch potato bureacrats.  Who hires these dolts?</p>
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		<title>By: MichiganJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichiganJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am convinced that every wild game officer is incompetent.  Aren&#039;t they supposed to be trained in wildlife matters?  All you need to do is watch the Animal Planet channel when they do programs about North American wildlife.  I learned that a cougar will eat anything from a mouse to a moose.  They live alone or with an offspring. Also, they  have large territories and sometimes need to travel long distances to mate.  It is plausible to me that cougars are migrating to new areas just as coyotes and bear have.  These &quot;state experts&quot; seem to quote the opposite of these facts as reasons why cougars shouldn&#039;t or even don&#039;t exist.  I used to think the conspiracy theory about cougars was laughable...now I just wonder why the seeming cover up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am convinced that every wild game officer is incompetent.  Aren&#8217;t they supposed to be trained in wildlife matters?  All you need to do is watch the Animal Planet channel when they do programs about North American wildlife.  I learned that a cougar will eat anything from a mouse to a moose.  They live alone or with an offspring. Also, they  have large territories and sometimes need to travel long distances to mate.  It is plausible to me that cougars are migrating to new areas just as coyotes and bear have.  These &#8220;state experts&#8221; seem to quote the opposite of these facts as reasons why cougars shouldn&#8217;t or even don&#8217;t exist.  I used to think the conspiracy theory about cougars was laughable&#8230;now I just wonder why the seeming cover up?</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 05:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget we do get wild cougars killing humans, especially in California, sometimes here in Colorado.  The behavior is indicative but not definitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget we do get wild cougars killing humans, especially in California, sometimes here in Colorado.  The behavior is indicative but not definitive.</p>
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		<title>By: flame821</title>
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		<dc:creator>flame821</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with DWA, it is not in the nature of wild Pumas to simply target and attack humans.  The animals referenced in these stories would seem to be feral or diseased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with DWA, it is not in the nature of wild Pumas to simply target and attack humans.  The animals referenced in these stories would seem to be feral or diseased.</p>
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