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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess you don&#039;t need my two cents, eh?

I don&#039;t think more unscientific scientists exist than the ones staffing state natural resource and game boards.  I wouldn&#039;t believe them if they told me raccoons existed while I was looking at one. (I&#039;d have to just believe my own eyes.)

I said it on another thread.  One thing I&#039;ll never believe is an authority -- particularly a scientific one, particularly a scientific political authority -- telling me never.

Wonder how many Eastern lions there are?  I&#039;m guessing in the 500 - 1000 range.  Minimum.  Come up with a conservation plan already.

Although I will say this about their motivation to keep it quiet.  Never overestimate the intelligence or the rationality of the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess you don&#8217;t need my two cents, eh?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think more unscientific scientists exist than the ones staffing state natural resource and game boards.  I wouldn&#8217;t believe them if they told me raccoons existed while I was looking at one. (I&#8217;d have to just believe my own eyes.)</p>
<p>I said it on another thread.  One thing I&#8217;ll never believe is an authority &#8212; particularly a scientific one, particularly a scientific political authority &#8212; telling me never.</p>
<p>Wonder how many Eastern lions there are?  I&#8217;m guessing in the 500 &#8211; 1000 range.  Minimum.  Come up with a conservation plan already.</p>
<p>Although I will say this about their motivation to keep it quiet.  Never overestimate the intelligence or the rationality of the public.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My gut feeling is to agree with you on that point, mystery_man . But an old hippie like myself has to harbor SOME hope for the existence of a utopian society LOL !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gut feeling is to agree with you on that point, mystery_man . But an old hippie like myself has to harbor SOME hope for the existence of a utopian society LOL !</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I would like to think that the agencies would be giving consideration to these points, but my gut instinct tells me you are giving them too much credit. In big agencies like this with so many cogs going, I just feels it is very hard to keep big secrets of this magnitude.  I am just not a big conspiracy theorist kind of guy. Maybe I&#039;m being too harsh on them, but in my experience, this kind of carefully thought out foresight by these agencies to protect this species just seems to be a little too good to believe. Hope I&#039;m wrong, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I would like to think that the agencies would be giving consideration to these points, but my gut instinct tells me you are giving them too much credit. In big agencies like this with so many cogs going, I just feels it is very hard to keep big secrets of this magnitude.  I am just not a big conspiracy theorist kind of guy. Maybe I&#8217;m being too harsh on them, but in my experience, this kind of carefully thought out foresight by these agencies to protect this species just seems to be a little too good to believe. Hope I&#8217;m wrong, though.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there has always been a small population of pumas along the entire length of the Appalachians. The population became very sparse and fragmented during the mid-twentieth century, but they never disappeared entirely. And now the numbers are increasing again.

I guess, to do them credit, part of the secrecy on the part of official state agencies might have to do with wanting to have a management plan in place before announcing that pumas are &quot;officially&quot; part of their fauna again. And, just maybe, to prevent gung-ho Nimrods from going out to the forests and blasting away at everything that remotely resembles a puma before the puma population has an opportunity to increase. But maybe I am giving the agencies too much credit there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there has always been a small population of pumas along the entire length of the Appalachians. The population became very sparse and fragmented during the mid-twentieth century, but they never disappeared entirely. And now the numbers are increasing again.</p>
<p>I guess, to do them credit, part of the secrecy on the part of official state agencies might have to do with wanting to have a management plan in place before announcing that pumas are &#8220;officially&#8221; part of their fauna again. And, just maybe, to prevent gung-ho Nimrods from going out to the forests and blasting away at everything that remotely resembles a puma before the puma population has an opportunity to increase. But maybe I am giving the agencies too much credit there.</p>
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		<title>By: flame821</title>
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		<dc:creator>flame821</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too live in PA, in the Poconos and while new homes and developments are popping up all over there are still HUGE tracts of natural land that is untouched. I can, quite literally, look out my bedroom window and catch racoons, groundhogs, the odd black bear and either a feral dog or small coyote (he doesn&#039;t come far enough out of the brush until well past dark) and I live a stone&#039;s throw from Jim Thorpe.

I have not seen a mountain lion personally, but to be honest it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if a breeding population exists in PA.  I&#039;ve heard of all sorts of sightings of both mammals and birds coming from the &#039;black forest&#039; area of PA. And the Lenape have many interesting stories and folk tales about both natural and supernatural entities in the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too live in PA, in the Poconos and while new homes and developments are popping up all over there are still HUGE tracts of natural land that is untouched. I can, quite literally, look out my bedroom window and catch racoons, groundhogs, the odd black bear and either a feral dog or small coyote (he doesn&#8217;t come far enough out of the brush until well past dark) and I live a stone&#8217;s throw from Jim Thorpe.</p>
<p>I have not seen a mountain lion personally, but to be honest it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if a breeding population exists in PA.  I&#8217;ve heard of all sorts of sightings of both mammals and birds coming from the &#8216;black forest&#8217; area of PA. And the Lenape have many interesting stories and folk tales about both natural and supernatural entities in the area.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d think a hunter would know the difference between a mountain lion and a bobcat or coyote. Also, if everyone is misidentifying it, why are there not lots of mountain lion sightings wherever coyotes and bobcats exist?  Something is going on there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d think a hunter would know the difference between a mountain lion and a bobcat or coyote. Also, if everyone is misidentifying it, why are there not lots of mountain lion sightings wherever coyotes and bobcats exist?  Something is going on there.</p>
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		<title>By: greywolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>greywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I live in PA and I don&#039;t believe anything the Game Commission says. But I am only a senior citizen that has hunted and I have a pretty good idea of what is here and not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I live in PA and I don&#8217;t believe anything the Game Commission says. But I am only a senior citizen that has hunted and I have a pretty good idea of what is here and not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Michaels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cougar has been sighted in New York State as well. Hopefully, the eastern race remained genetically intact and will once again be established as a sub Species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cougar has been sighted in New York State as well. Hopefully, the eastern race remained genetically intact and will once again be established as a sub Species.</p>
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		<title>By: Sky King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sky King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why are wildlife officials so adamant that a breeding population of these big cats doesn’t exist?&quot;

It&#039;s the most ridiculous thing I&#039;ve ever heard, and something only city slickers will swallow.

In Appalachia, they KNOW that the cougars never went away. Maybe the wildlife folks think their denial&#039;s protection.  If so, it&#039;s hard to understand why they&#039;d claim it was just escaped or released cats.

Really!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why are wildlife officials so adamant that a breeding population of these big cats doesn’t exist?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the most ridiculous thing I&#8217;ve ever heard, and something only city slickers will swallow.</p>
<p>In Appalachia, they KNOW that the cougars never went away. Maybe the wildlife folks think their denial&#8217;s protection.  If so, it&#8217;s hard to understand why they&#8217;d claim it was just escaped or released cats.</p>
<p>Really!?</p>
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		<title>By: Dudlow</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 01:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like the wildlife authorities in Pennsylvania are pulling the same stunt that ours pulled for many years in the Province of Ontario, here in Canada.

Supposedly the last puma was shot in Ontario around 1908; and (supposedly)none were seen again until around 1986, when they started showing up quite regularly on Manitoulin Island, on Lake Huron.

Although I lived in Toronto at the time, I subscribed to both Island newspapers by mail service; and I read with delight the articles on cougars that appeared with regularity for several weeks.

Then the articles suddenly ceased and no further word was heard for a good decade or more; as if a muzzle had been quietly applied.

Finally the Ontario government had to fess up and the public was &#039;officially&#039; informed of the return of cougars to Ontario more than a decade later, some time around 1998.

It is also worth noting that our neighboring Province of Quebec, just east of Ontario, adopted the same &#039;silent treatment&#039; until cougars were likewise declared resident there around 2002.

I believe that government authorities tend to tread very softly on the cougar issue, in an effort to head off/muzzle dreaded public hysteria. Who knows where such a political directive would come from? I&#039;m sure no officials would care to admit to it.

But I would point out that the reaction of the Manitoulin Islanders in 1986 was swift on behalf of the safety of their school children. Right away they began building enclosed shelters at the ends of their long rural driveways so that the children could wait for the school buses in safety, without fear of cougar attack. The ubiquitous presence of black bears and wolves in the same area since time out of mind had never before prompted the Islanders to build protective shelters for their children.

Since then the Province of Manitoba (west of Ontario) has also had to fess up. It now looks like cougars are pretty much &#039;officially&#039; re-established throughout most of central Canada.

Therefore, I can&#039;t think of one good reason why cougars would not have already re-established themselves as well, directly south of us, throughout central and eastern America.

But CAUTION - many of the authorities are still not &#039;with the program&#039;, so to speak.

As a case in point, last year I naively wandered into our metropolitan police station to inquire about predatory cat sightings in the area, some of which had made it into the local media news; one in particular with video. WOW! What a mistake that was!

The officer at the front desk shouted at me about as loudly as he could - so that everyone could hear - &quot;Are you on crack?!! You must be on crack! Are you on crack&quot;?

Suffice it to say that I departed hencewith forth forever with my tail between my legs.

Got cougars, you say? Just keep it quiet. Maybe they&#039;ll just go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the wildlife authorities in Pennsylvania are pulling the same stunt that ours pulled for many years in the Province of Ontario, here in Canada.</p>
<p>Supposedly the last puma was shot in Ontario around 1908; and (supposedly)none were seen again until around 1986, when they started showing up quite regularly on Manitoulin Island, on Lake Huron.</p>
<p>Although I lived in Toronto at the time, I subscribed to both Island newspapers by mail service; and I read with delight the articles on cougars that appeared with regularity for several weeks.</p>
<p>Then the articles suddenly ceased and no further word was heard for a good decade or more; as if a muzzle had been quietly applied.</p>
<p>Finally the Ontario government had to fess up and the public was &#8216;officially&#8217; informed of the return of cougars to Ontario more than a decade later, some time around 1998.</p>
<p>It is also worth noting that our neighboring Province of Quebec, just east of Ontario, adopted the same &#8217;silent treatment&#8217; until cougars were likewise declared resident there around 2002.</p>
<p>I believe that government authorities tend to tread very softly on the cougar issue, in an effort to head off/muzzle dreaded public hysteria. Who knows where such a political directive would come from? I&#8217;m sure no officials would care to admit to it.</p>
<p>But I would point out that the reaction of the Manitoulin Islanders in 1986 was swift on behalf of the safety of their school children. Right away they began building enclosed shelters at the ends of their long rural driveways so that the children could wait for the school buses in safety, without fear of cougar attack. The ubiquitous presence of black bears and wolves in the same area since time out of mind had never before prompted the Islanders to build protective shelters for their children.</p>
<p>Since then the Province of Manitoba (west of Ontario) has also had to fess up. It now looks like cougars are pretty much &#8216;officially&#8217; re-established throughout most of central Canada.</p>
<p>Therefore, I can&#8217;t think of one good reason why cougars would not have already re-established themselves as well, directly south of us, throughout central and eastern America.</p>
<p>But CAUTION &#8211; many of the authorities are still not &#8216;with the program&#8217;, so to speak.</p>
<p>As a case in point, last year I naively wandered into our metropolitan police station to inquire about predatory cat sightings in the area, some of which had made it into the local media news; one in particular with video. WOW! What a mistake that was!</p>
<p>The officer at the front desk shouted at me about as loudly as he could &#8211; so that everyone could hear &#8211; &#8220;Are you on crack?!! You must be on crack! Are you on crack&#8221;?</p>
<p>Suffice it to say that I departed hencewith forth forever with my tail between my legs.</p>
<p>Got cougars, you say? Just keep it quiet. Maybe they&#8217;ll just go away.</p>
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