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Update: New York Bigfoot Photos

Posted by: Craig Woolheater on July 22nd, 2006

Ben Radford supplied the following photos from his onsite investigation of the Hans Mobius Bigfoot photos. The text is Ben’s from the email that he sent.

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These two photos were taken at the Mobius farm Bigfoot site about a week after the sighting and photos were taken. During investigations, my colleague Joe Nickell and I found the area at (or very near) where the Bigfoot can be seen in the original photos. With the tall grass and the tractor in the way, it is difficult to see in photographs, but there is a two or three-foot mound or berm just behind where Mobius’s John Deere was parked as seen in his Bigfoot photos. It is clear to me that whether the subject in the photo is a Bigfoot or just a guy in a suit, he was standing atop this mound and therefore looks deceptively larger and taller compared to the John Deere and the ground around him. It is also clear to me that the subject in the later comparison photos (shown below), Tim McMillen, was not standing on this berm. Whether this was done out of deception or oversight, I can’t say.

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You can see me in the photos for comparison. (Mobius was not available with his tractor when we took the photos.) I am six feet tall, with an extra two inches or so accounting for my hat. In my estimation, the Bigfoot (or guy in a suit) was well under seven feet tall, probably six feet or shorter.

The photo below is the comparison photo taken by Biscardi’s org when they were onsite.

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The photo below is one of the three original photos taken by Hans Mobius.

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Porkchop responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 am
Thank you for continued and systematic investigation.

“Whether this was done out of deception or oversight, I can’t say.”

Reminds me of a comment about the Hand of Unknown Origin a poster made. something a long the lines of “whether Biscardi was the fooled or fooler we don’t know”

I congratulate your restraint and benefit of the doubt, but it is clearly their turn to enlighten us on how you might miss an important geographic feature such as a berm whilst tramping about the underbrush and keep the self given title of world reknown Bigfoot hunter and the qualifications assumed therein.
matty777 responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 10:13 am
Wow, what an amazing stance..Looks like this man in the suit is trying to have his arms flung out like the patterson film..Going by the hundreds of reports read, BF does not like to be out in the open, especially in the middle of the day…Pure black hair is a dead giveaway for the hoax…..
Alton Higgins responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 10:29 am
??

Why would Ben Radford bother checking out this blatantly bogus bigfoot boondoggle? Because Biscardi said it was believable? This makes as much sense as investigating Bagge’s latest adventures of Bat Boy (aka “Batboy”).

At least now we know that “Bigfoot” benefitted from a berm boost. That’s important.

I guess.
Ole Bub responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 11:11 am
Thank you Ben….for taking the time, funds and effort to verify another “TB blobsquatch wannabe”…”someday this war will end”…

seeing is believing…

ole bub and the dawgs
Dark-Obsessor responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 pm
Interesting.
kidkarysma responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 1:25 pm
Does anyone else think that they could do a better job of hoaxing a picture using MS Paint?
Dudlow responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Once again, one of the top three WORST and TOTALLY UNBELIEVABLE hoaxes I have ever seen, to say nothing of the wasted resources expended after the fact. Wow, this crap must be pushing up the price of snake-oil globally!
twblack responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Still call them as we see them. A hoax is a hoax. When was the last photo of a BF taken that is not considered a hoax??? Seems like that is all we have gotten for the last few months.
Mike Smith responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Well, that looks like this blew up in Mr.Biscardi’s and Mr. Mobius’s faces.
JeremyWells responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 8:38 pm
OK, so now Ben’s investigation explains the height with the berm.

Never any doubt (in my mind anyway) that it was a fake, but at least this explains the discrepancy between the photos of the “creature” and of McMillen.
MMTHPOOLGHOSTCAMPR responds: July 22nd, 2006 at 11:27 pm
I get so tired of seeing pictures and videos that are nonsense. There is always something strategically obstructing the view of the creature, object and etc. I do understand that at times that things do get in the way, but c’mon. Why are there so many more skeptics than there are believers?

It’s simple,

1) because some people have a closed mind and chose not to believe,

2) because most people have not had a sighting of a creature or a UFO,

and 3) it’s because of these streams of bogus photos that keep appearing. I am a believer in bigfoot and aliens from space and in GOD, even though I haven’t seen the 3 in person.
Jeremy_Wells responds: July 23rd, 2006 at 9:45 am
MMTHPOOLGHOSTCAMPR:

1) A skeptical mind does not necessarily equal a closed mind, just one that questions.

2) Without some sighting or other direct (or very convincing anecdotal) experience, belief is faith, not science. If all you need is faith, then BF and angels and aliens are all real to you and it should matter little to you what others believe. If we are to prove that BF are flesh and blood, however, science, not faith, is needed, and science operates on empirical data.

3) The string of bogus photos and images (like biblical tests of faith) strengthen our resolve to find irrefutable proof and, ironically, in many ways give the less easy to refute proof (such as Alton Higgins photo analysis of Patty that are extrapolated to other photos, or the dermal ridges and foot structure analysis of Jimmy Chilcut and Jeff Meldrum) more veracity.

And while I share your belief in BF (in the face of what I see as compelling anecdotal and physical evidence), and in God (as a matter of personal faith and experience), I’ve become convinced through my studies that the UFO and abduction phenomenon say more about how people’s iterpretations of strange phenomenon have changed over the years than they say about the possibility of life from other planets visiting ours.
Aliens visiting our planet, much as I wanted to believe in it as a child, just doesn’t logically follow from the evidence, and in this case, proof for me has to be more scientific and less faith based, due to the nature of the subject.

But lumping them all together, I feel, does little to advance the “reality” of any of the above phenomenon, and in fact lumping cryptozoology in with UFOlogy is detrimental to the understanding of both fields. It is like insisting one MUST believe in advance theories of physics because one finds droppings in the kitchen that point to evidence of a mouse.
springheeledjack responds: July 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 pm
This just makes looking at photos and film evidence even more ugly for those of us trying to sift through the crap to come up with real evidence for unknown critters. With the advances in technology, it is going to be harder and harder to accept photo/film evidence because everybody has access to high tech print/photo software…which is just going to make all of our jobs harder in sifting out the evidence…and when one of the fakes does make it through the radar, it just gives more fuel to the non-believers….sheesh.
MMTHPOOLGHOSTCAMPR responds: July 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 pm
Mr. Wells, I am not trying to advance the reality of anything. In fact I could care less what people think is real or not. I do not go door to door preaching nor do I hunt for bigfoot. But saying lumping cryptozoology with UFOs is detrimental to both is comical. Both have alot in common as far as evidence, except that there are thousands of photos of UFOs and just a handful of bigfoot. I am sure that my comments won’t hinder anyones research or as you say “insist upon them advance theories”, I just stated what I feel and what I believe in, and that is these pics of bigfoot are bogus to me. I did track down those droppings and set a trap, and low and behold, it was a mouse just as you had predicted.
harleyb responds: July 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pm
That’s why it’s good to have skeptics, because they show us what is definitely not real, in this case I’d say fake just cuz how it looks. Why would this old dude make up this junk? Who knows maybe to get those bigfoot groupies?
Sky King responds: July 23rd, 2006 at 5:02 pm
I could do a better job with the buffalo hair that the local dogs have spread all over the place! Just use some Elmer’s and that stinky buffalo hair and PRESTO! The apple of Patty’s eye!!!
skunkape_hunter responds: July 24th, 2006 at 9:54 am
I have a small ranch in Florida, I do not carry a camera with me when I am out and about on my land. Why would this fellow have a camera with him ? I keep a gun handy however, due to snakes and gators. Might be something for the man in the suit to think about !!
Benjamin Radford responds: July 24th, 2006 at 11:47 am
I have to say, there were some other interesting things that came out of that Mobius investigation. Perhaps one day I’ll write it up.
Jeremy_Wells responds: July 24th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
MMTHPOOLGHOSTCAMPR:

Well good, we both agree the Mobius photos are fakes then.

But I still think lumping UFOlogy and Cryptozoology together is like comparing apples and oranges. (or physics and biology)
Jeremy_Wells responds: July 24th, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Ben,
I’d love to read it when you do.

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