Invisible Bigfoot?
Posted by: Craig Woolheater on March 1st, 2007
Cryptomundo reader silvereagle has alluded to Lawrence Livermore National Labs having had several bigfoot in captivity in the 60’s. Several other Cryptomundo readers had asked for more information regarding this. He posted the following as a comment and I decided to post it as a separate blog.
It was fairly common knowledge in the east bay area during the late 60’s and early 70’s, that Lawrence Livermore National Labs had several bigfoot in captivity in the 60’s. UC Berkeley staff also participated in the study. The first bigfoot caught them by surprise, when it escaped by walking out the door when the janitor came in to clean out, what everyone thought was an empty holding cell. It remained at large inside the building for a couple of weeks, before it found its own way out. There was some panic but I believe that only a few people stayed at home, since it was technically 4th dimensional. The 4th dimension description was not decided, until a later time and at UC Berkeley, I believe. Stephen Hawkings participated to some degree in later studies in 1974-1975. The scientists did continue to study the bigfoot while it was at large. They did so by standing in front of its travel path and letting it walk right through them. They were able to determine that it held no ill will toward its captors, and that it was only trying to get out of the building.
They were more prepared for the second one that they held captive. During that study, they had 24 hour multiple observer surveillance and multiple cameras running. At no time was no camera not running. They both witnessed and photographed the Bigfoots many cycles of transition from our 3 dimensions to several 4th dimension phases. This one escaped in the exact same way as the first, because apparently it did not return from a 4th dimension phase. So they believe that it had escaped on its own. It too roamed THE LAB, for a couple of weeks. It made its way to a break room and both ate food there and made a mess during the night that was left to be discovered the next day. They relied on the secretaries to detect where the 4th dimensional bigfoot was, since they were more sensitive than the men and could better sense the electromagnetic cloud that was associated with its presence. Apparently, it liked to sneak up on the secretaries from behind, when they came in for coffee. So there were a few dropped coffee pots and burnt toes. They drove this one out of the building by opening up a pathway by propping doors open and presumably banging on pots and pans. Apparently, one scientist was retired early because it was believed that the bigfoot hynotised him to go insane. He apparently did not respect the bigfoot for being people and firmly thought it to be an animal. That was the only injury that I can recall. The actual report was retrieved by the DoD from THE LAB’s library in about 1979, and no copies remain there. Since THE LAB has retirement plans, no personnel that were on duty then are still there today. This is why the feds are still quite bent on stifling all bigfoot research of any kind, and by any method. The conclusion of the DoD study was that the bigfoot cannot be contained, controlled or communicated with, and is thought to be alien in origination.
They were wrong on the communication aspect, because most anybody can communicate with the bigfoot, given the proper instruction.
Far more money is spent by the federal government to stifle bigfoot research, than is spent by all bigfoot researchers put together, in my opinion. How? Illegal Email and phone taps. Helicopter and motor vehicle time. Electronics to track cell phones of researchers who failed to remove the battery from their phones even though turned off. Automated telephone harassment equipment. Manhours to both tail and harass researchers. Breaking and entering to steal records and photographs of those who right books. Theft of mail through the USPS, UPS and Fedex. Picking up bigfoot bodies and threatening all who witnessed it. Other than that, the feds couldn’t give a rats ass about whether bigfoot is proven or not.silvereagle
February 17, 2007
I asked for a source for the Lawrence Livermore National Labs Bigfoot story. He responded thusly and offered the following advice:
I listed a source as Stephen Hawkings. I have listed him in the past. All choose to fail to interview him. People are free to poke around Berkeley with the retired professors. Lawrence Berkeley has a science exhibit building that is open to the public. They were fully aware of both the Bigfoot in captivity and the invisibility in 1975. It was common knowledge back then.
Two successful southern Oregon bigfoot researchers by the name of Ray Rosa and Shelly Binkley, had one of the bigfoot that they are working with, transition into an orb in front of their eyes. That will be real easy for you to verify. The orb trick was also first revealed in the Lawrence Livermore Lab Bigfoot Study. I just didn’t post it because I didn’t think that your viewers could handle it.
Invisibility of Bigfoot has been known about since at least the 60’s. People who know about, do not become Bigfoot researchers because they are pretty sure it is a waste of time trying to study something that is invisible most of the time. People who do not know about it, may become Bigfoot researchers because they do not know what they are up against. So the law of natural selection weeds out those who know about Bigfoot invisibility in the ranks of researchers. Sali Sheppard Wolford’s book “Valley of the Skookum”, clearly describes Bigfoot invisibility. Mary Green’s book describes the evidence but fails to reach any conclusion.
I have watched the TBRC video on TV. Let me give you a little help. I communicate with the Bigfoot by whispering in English. I can get them to reply by using branch breaks. So can you. Your researchers believe that by whispering, Bigfoot will not hear you. Wrong! I have audio/video of a Bigfoot going ballistic at 300 yards away, after all I was doing was “thinking” about how some people think that they have the right to kill a Bigfoot. Bigfoot understands both English and even your tiniest thought. Don’t forget that because that is the most important piece of information that a researcher can have.
A fellow Oregon researcher of mine has seen hundreds of Bigfoot. She will not post to the internet for obvious reasons. There is no question in her mind that they are interdimensional, and will drift in and out of our dimension right before her eyes. So the TBRC is pursuing the wrong avenue because they apparently had no one to clue them in. I have had close to 10 bigfoot stand within 10 feet of me. Guess what? They were all invisible but emitted a sensation of an electromagnetic cloud, as well as some other faint electronic snapping, and they were all peaceful. I have a picture of paranormal eyeshine from two likely wood gnomes at 5 feet. Their bodies are invisible. They are the same 4th dimensional people family as Bigfoot. If you are not even thinking about hurting a Bigfoot, then you should have no reason to fear an invisible Bigfoot. All bets are off if you are thinking about hurting, killing or capturing one. Bigfoot research along the paranormal route, is busting out into a sprint, because we have both contact and communication with them. Flesh and blood research is and will always be going absolutely nowhere. Perhaps the TBRC ought to rethink their beliefs and their goals. Oregon is at the extreme cutting edge of Bigfoot Research today. I am unaware of any other area that is even close to achieving any significant new results.
There is just one giant game going on, to try and keep from upsetting too many people about invisibility. My take on invisibility? Invisibility is an inconvenience to proving Bigfoot. The Bigfoot do not use it as a weapon to hurt people who respect them as people. Even when they are invisible, they are concerned that we can see them. They use it as a defensive tool to keep from getting hurt or killed by lunatics with guns. And there are a lot more Bigfoot than anyone can imagine. They live inside the city limits of Portland, Oregon, and in most woods that are larger than 5 acres around here. They just do not often come into our dimension to get shot.
Food for thought silvereagle
February 17, 2007
DISCLAIMER:
By posting this information from silvereagle, I in no way endorse it as factual.
- Similar Phenomena:
Maybe bigfoot is eating magic mushrooms so he can slip in and out of the 4th dimension…..Just when I thought I had heard it all…Entertaining cryptofiction read…pancakes pale by comparison!
it sounds similar to the blog a while back about the telepath that would charge for sessions of telepathic communication with a bigfoot. Or maybe the people over at ufomystic.com have the correct idea about bigfoot being an ET
Hogwash!
I’ll be the first to get it out of the way:
I’ll believe in an invisible bigfoot when I *see* one.
Couldn’t resist.
Mindreading, invisible bigfoot. Man, I’m sorry, but this is schizophrenia. I’m not joking, it’s textbook. This person doesn’t need a separate blog entry, it never helps to encourage the delusions of a schizophrenic. He needs diagnosis and medication.
Just when I thought the world of cryptozoology coudn’t get any more strange…
While I never dismiss things with a simple “hogwash”, I will say that this new take on the creature known as Bigfoot would lend convenient outs to believers.
Skeptic: “Okay, if Bigfoot exists, how come we haven’t found any corpses, and no hunter has been able to kill one?”
Believer: “Well, they’re invisible most of the time. And if you go out hunting them, they’ll read your thoughts and come after you…”
Skeptic: “…Right…”
Let’s just say that the world is a strange place, and I strongly believe we are ignorant to much of it. If you can’t prove or disprove something, just let it be.
Some very intelligent scientists and mathematicians have theories of multiple universes and intra-dimensional beings, so it’s not as far fetched as it seems at first.
I don’t know everything, but I do know enough to know not to dismiss something just because it sounds crazy at first. I also know to be skeptical of many things, because people love to lie.
They love it.
Someone’s cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
It pains me to see a logical and actually quite ‘likely’ species start to be given supernatural powers by so-called reseachers, completely ruins the concept.
UC Berkeley? LOL That about says it all and explains this entry. Sure man, I dig it, that is why we can not photograph anything but blobsquatches? Cool!
When that interdimensional troll gets off that big mushroom, take some and pass it around some more and we can maybe see 10 more new dimensions that will explain other cryptids. Yea man, that’s the ticket! LOL Oh that’s right, the troll is invisible too except for the eyes but it has to be a troll because it is related to BF.
Yeah, right!
Now I know why Loren does not even like postings on these subjects. They are entertaining but detract from the reality that is.
Craig, thanks for posting that and giving me a laugh for the day. It was appreciated.
Somebody needs to get back on their meds and by that, I mean the people at UC Berkeley.
I believe it is true the Bigfoot creatures are inter-dimensional beings, some smarter than others. That would explain the secrecy and mystery that surrounds them. They probably think humans are dumb.
Hmm, I’ve heard this theory before. Erik, is that you?
Unfortunately for Mr. Burgstahler, when proposing such outlandish claims one must offer better evidence than “A fellow Oregon researcher of mine has seen hundreds of Bigfoot. She will not post to the internet for obvious reasons.” He will likely take offense that we don’t take him at his word. However, the ambiguous name dropping does nothing to convince others of the truth of his statements, nor does citing authors who share his beliefs. However, judging from the tone of his posting, Mr. Burgstahler doesn’t sound like he’s interested in convincing others. He places the burden of proof on us to go ambush Stephen Hawkings and force him to confess.
I can just see that conversation now. “Mr. Hawkings! Is it true you witnessed, er, heard invisible Bigfoot shambling about scaring secretaries and spilling coffee in secret government laboratories during the 60’s?”
As for wood gnomes Mr. Burgstahler might be onto something. I hear that Abrams published an extensive study of gnomes by Huygen and Poortvliet in the 70’s so it must be true.
There is no fossil record for big apes in America.
Is it possible that Giganto walked all the way from the montane forests of Central Asia via the siberian land bridge or a sub species evolved separately on the North American continent - highly unlikely for both scenarios?
If you strip away the Patterson film which can still be interepted in different ways - what speed was it shot at prompted Napier to suggest that it was either a real animal or a man in a suit, then there is no hard evidence left.
The film is worthless as incredibly the only person to successfully to film Bigfoot also set out as the reason for his trip.
Biggest hoax of the last century & like the non existent Thunderbird photo (I had a western magazine from the 60s & it was a drawing, not a photo) it has taken on a life of its own.
Cryptozoology is about looking at the possibility of known/or unknown animals that are too be found in the remote corners of the world, not about a few interested parties pedalling their own views on a all of nothing basis which is why we are not taken seriously as a science.
All of the current cryptozoology books being published are either reprints of older books or the same material regurgitated in a different way.
Richard Freeman’s Dragon book contains reprints of his articles in Animals & Men, but was sold as a new definitive book on the subject.
For example, why is;
The Yeti - not a bear.
Mokele Mbembe - a large python or monitor lizard
Nessie - a sturgeon or large eel
If you look long enough you can identify most animal reports with known species.
Ri – turned out to a dugong.
Why is the community obsessed with Mokele Mbembe or Nessie being long extinct reptiles?
An entertaining read for sure not that I believe one word of it.
I’m more than willing to keep and open mind on things, if if they of the utmost strangeness. However, when the ‘evidence’ appears to be contradictory doubt quickly creeps in:
“The first bigfoot caught them by surprise, when it escaped by walking out the door when the janitor came in to clean out, what everyone thought was an empty holding cell.”
“The scientists did continue to study the bigfoot while it was at large. They did so by standing in front of its travel path and letting it walk right through them.”
If it can walk through people why does it have to wait for a door to be opened?
I just can’t imagine why “All choose to fail to interview ” Stephen Hawking about his secret encounters with huge invisible interdimensional primates ;).
Hey there blimpy-boy! Flying in the sky so fancy-free!
“I’ll believe it, but I WON’T SEE IT!”
ugh! Bigfoot in 4 D… right…I have trouble seeing things in 3!
I believe Horton has heard a Who!
So, if they stood in its path and it walked right through them, why didn’t it walk through the walls?
Hi All,
I have been quietly enjoying this site for many, many months without having the need to put my comments to the cryptozoological community, until this morning. PLEASE, PLEASE can you refrain from giving such wild fantasies such prominence, it just makes all of us working in the field seem like ‘loonies’. I understand that all are entitled to their theories but let’s have some hard evidence for ‘interdimensional phasing’ before slandering poor Professor Hawkins! It is to the detriment of us all and devalues the hard work done in the field by the dedicated few. Yes I am aware of Loren’s leanings on this matter and infact ‘Creatures of the Outer Edge’ was one of the first books I ever bought on Bigfoot, but please let’s have some hard facts before speculating wildly.
Sorry for going on.
OH
MY
GAWD.
This is why people think my interest in cryptozoology is ridiculous. It’s embarrassing to be lumped in with this sort of thing.
This goes to show that just because you can imagine this far out world where Bigfoot are invisible telepaths, does not mean it is reality. A lot of people here know that I have an open mind to a lot of things, but I have to say that in my opinion, this account has no scientifically verifiable elements at all. I want to say “hogwash”, but I will settle for “a highly unlikely sequence of events.” I would love to be proven wrong, but that is the catch isn’t it? Proof. Not even just proof that an animal such as Bigfoot exists, but also that this whole world of invisibility and whatnot exists. Notice the lack of even a shred of evidence that any of this ever happened? Sorry, but I think I am reasonably scientifically minded and I deal in verifiable facts or at least plausible theories based on things we actually know about the natural world and this full blown science fiction story, as entertaining as it is, just is not that kind of stuff. Sorry to get a bit irritated here, folks, but that’s what I think of this supposed event and I will take it seriously when it deserves to be. I would love to be proven wrong, in fact I dare them to prove me wrong.
Darkstream,
I have those Gnomes books. They have pictures and everything so they must be true :D.
Wow, you mean there are TWO of us? That like to tell BS stories, I mean.
Please no, let’s not go here. This is an animal. A very smart one to be sure, but an animal. If they are this smart as to understand English and can be invisible they should be the dominant species on earth. Also if they are this smart how did they capture them? If we start going in this direction then there is no end to the possibilities.
Living things use their natural attributes. Muscles, teeth, claws, intelligence to survive. Humans are naked and helpless in the natural world. We have intelligence and the dexterity of our limbs that has allowed us to live in every corner of the earth. Sasquatch is obviously an exceptional animal. Guided by its abilities or instinct It has kept away from man in all but the rarest of cases.
Well, I believe this whole-heartedly. I think it makes a lot of sense. But I guess that’s because I believe in different dimensions, I can see how this can be a bunch of crap to some people. But I have enjoyed this article. Thank you Mr. Craig
Sounds like a good start to an upcoming TV movie. There’s not much to add to the (mostly) great comments made by our fellow crypto-readers. I don’t remember hearing anything about these Bigfoot captives in the 60’s (or the 70’s, 80’s 90’s either), but then again I was young and trying to deal with the new British Invasion and all the “long haired” hippies that came along with them.
I really don’t even like reading articles like this one because it feels like people think they have the right to “play with our heads” and write anything and we are to believe it, simply because we tend to believe in crypto science. I thoroughly enjoyed the article and the news video about the 100+ yards of Bigfoot prints discovered in California a few months ago, but just reported. Now we know why sane people are so reluctant to report things like this immediately. Does anyone agree with me on this?
Well, must go now. Great reading.
definetly a very interesting article.. about bigfoot. bill
I didn’t make the point in the original post and I really should have. By posting this information from silvereagle, I in no way endorse it as factual.
As I stated, several readers had asked for additional information regarding his claims in previous comments here on Cryptomundo.
Truly groundbreaking. Now I know why I can’t see my 4ft Bigfoot, chainsaw carved out of Redwood in my garden anymore. I thought it had been stolen. What a relief.
I’ve talked enough about this topic, so all I have to respond to is chemo1960’s post.
A position that the animal doesn’t, probably doesn’t, or isn’t likely to exist demonstrates an ignorance of the evidence. Plain and simple.
Read up. And I promise you don’t have to interview Hawking or anyone at Livermore. All that’s required is a good solid read on the BFRO or TBRC websites.
IT’S AN APE. Pure and simple.
If it exists. And there’s tons more evidence that it exists than there is that all that evidence is made up. The latter being a position that any “skeptic” must defend - with evidence - to be taken seriously.
Although yes, I am thinking that for a four-dimensional being, the Livermore sas needed more than a suspicious amount of three-dimensional help.
Thanks for the post. I can’t figure out how they “captured” bigfoot in the first place ?
If we know how they were captured, maybe we can replicate the “experiment” ?
My guess is that the bigfoot studies were done with copious amounts of mescaline and LSD.
This is fun reading all the negative responses about the invisible BBBigfoot. (lower lip quivering violently) The thousands of people out there that are aware of Bigfoot invisibility, would likely have a good laugh as well. I will follow up with a few responses:
Darkstream, Stephen Hawking does in fact speak about the Bigfoot in public, today. You do not even have to ask him any questions. The last time he stated something about the subject that I am aware of, he stated that Bigfoot are real and are paranormal.
MBFH, The holding cell and door, were not likely of any simple construction that we non-scientists can imagine. So the door being opened, was the only escape that the Bigfoot apparently could find. There are other reports of Bigfoot walking through walls, so walking through people would be nothing new, since they would exist in a parallel dimension. Read up on parallel dimensions.
All kinds of little people have historically been described as having the capability of invisibility. Books have been written specifically describing it. An invisible wood gnome is nothing new.
The capability of a 4th dimension person turning into an orb, has been described by others, and photographs showing a brief moment of the transition, are owned by a well known Bigfoot researcher. Orbs are commonly associated with the presence of Bigfoot. This is readily verifiable with night vision that has an infrared assist. My bet is not a single person here with a negative comment, owns a decent night vision device. (typical under equipped researcher) Orbs can also be seen by taking flash pictures at night in the outdoors, but hold your head and eyes above the camera. They will briefly light up when the flash goes off. So they are no trick of digital cameras. Human spirits likely exist as a 4th dimensional orb occupying the same space as your brain, or perhaps your heart. When humans die, their spirit orb jumps ship and proceeds to fly around the room where it can be photographed. See “How to Photograph the Paranormal” by Leonore Sweet. So Bigfoot orbs are nothing far fetched and are similar to mans spirit orb.
Much evidence is provided above, that the typical Bigfoot researcher is undereducated, and certainly does not have anything that resembles an open mind, both of which are essential elements to qualify as REAL BIGFOOT RESEARCHERS.
It does not bother men one little bit, that there is so much negativity here. It just means that I can continue to have very little competition on this board, for uncovering the truth and resurrecting past discovered facts about the Bigfoot People.
Bigfoot is easily provable today. Knowledge of the Bigfoot attributes I described previously, are essential to proving their existence for small audiences, which I currently do from time to time. See Bigfoot Encounters On Demand. The Bigfoot have no problem in proving that they are intelligent and invisible people, with telepathic ability, for all those that are present. They aim to please, and just want to get along with as the humans that respect them. Obviously, few people who are commenting here, actually respect both them and their abilities. You then won’t likely be getting along with the Bigfoot, which is your loss. Considering that the Bigfoot are essentially supernatural for all practical purposes, a past movie quote comes to mind from one search for the Holy Grail. “YOU CHOSE POORLY!”
So the plural of Bigfoot is Bogfoot, not Bigfeet? Who decides these weighty matters?
Laugh while you can, monkey boys!
I will entertain, at least, the possibility that this information is true. Once again, I invite those with a so-called “open mind” to ask themselves whether they aren’t using the same kind of dismissive attitude towards this account that so many others use toward bigfoot researchers in general.
If you really want to make a case against this idea of “interdimensionality”, then go out there and get that scientific proof.
Some bloke’s opinion that this is “highly unlikely” is - well - just an opinion. And we all know what opinions are like.
L. Ron Hubbub:
The same people who decide that the plural of sasquatch is sasquatch.
I think that if those people interviewed Stephen Hawking (if it’s the same guy, he probably HATES “Hawkings”), that could be one HECK of an interview.
I have always suspected The Steve to be FIFTH dimensional.
Just finished the article. WTF? This guy is barely coherent. He is clearly delusional. My favorite quote:
At no time was no camera not running.
As others have mentioned, I too have wondered how an interdimensional being that can turn invisible, shape shift into an orb and hear whispers from 300 yards had to wait for a door to open or wander around a building for 2 weeks trying to find a way out.
He never mentioned how they were able to catch these creatures for study. Based upon his claims of BF’s 4th dimensional abilities, they probably couldn’t.
So, lots of contradiction and fantasy.
Apparently when the Bigfeet go fourth dimensional you have no choice but to reverse the polarity on your proton packs and cross the streams if you hope to trap him. It also helps if your flux capacitor is outputting at the correct 1.21 jigawatts.
Silvereagle: thanks for your reply to my question. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t really help - a special room beyond what non-scientists can imagine. I can imagine some pretty freaky things I can assure you but just saying it doesn’t make it true.
Parallel universes: no problem, I’m well up for them. Ever thought that every decision we have to make results in a parallel universe where each decison exists? I have. Can’t prove it but it’s a thought - best described as science fiction.
If you have proof, please show it to us. I have an open mind.
Ps - no need to insult Silvereagle folks, he’s just got a different view to most. Take it easy on him, please.
My name is Dave and well this is my first post here. I sure don’t know if any of the claims above are true and there is no question this is a difficult concept for any of us to comprehend. Interestingly, the use of the term ‘invisibility’ may be as stigmatizing as the term ’sasquatch research’. I have personally been fortunate enough to encounter 3 sasquatch over the last 28 years and received vocal responses in the last 8 months of study. What I seen when I seen it, was in our dimension. I am looking forward to hopefully seeing another one day. But there is no question that I have also encountered a few strange events when out in the field near where I last saw this animal, that I cannot explain nor will I dare try. I have never seen an orb and won’t claim they exist either, but I will always keep an open mind, because I know there is more to our existence on this planet then what we can see. It is my opinion that without an open mind when it comes to something already as unexplainable as sasquatch is, we may never truly learn what the secrets of this mysterious creature really are.
I do find this subject somewhat interesting in that what is being claimed here may actually be described as a real-world application of Quantum Physics, or more precisely M-Theory based on String Theory. I am no scientist, but maybe what bigfooting needs right now is a scientist versed in Quantum Physics to help make sense of this level of claim. Yeah I know, moving in and out of different dimensions is not an easy pill to swallow, but I must point out that this is where modern science is focusing much of its efforts today.
Let me pose this, is there even the slightest possibility that such claims as these, are the early signs of a paradigm shift? In applicable areas, the standard model of normal science is slowly being replaced by quantum physics, which absolutely supports the existence of alternate universes! Isn’t it ironic that some of our most renowned scientists of today have theorized this very phenomenon at levels most of us here also cannot fully comprehend or accept? Sound familiar? Maybe a paradigm shift is needed in our own application of research regardless of what we fear others think?
I do live in Oregon but I have never contacted any of the individuals being referred to nor do I know who they are. Maybe however, someday it would be good to meet and hear what they have to say.
“Where there is an open mind there will always be a frontier.”
Charles F. Kettering
Dave
Blue Steel does make an excellent point.
Don’t get all pouty why nobody takes the sas seriously, then attack a different slant on the sas the exact same way. (Although I still think a four-dimensional Big Man doesn’t even get put in there, much less take that much time getting out.)
Many of us - and I am one - do believe that slants like silvereagle’s are one reason science is still mainly staying away from this. But the underpinning of that is science’s current inability to prove - or disprove - anything “paranormal” about the sasquatch. You’re simply taking the conversation someplace that science can’t now go.
But it does behoove us to remember that when one treats science as a religion, one gets bushwhacked by stuff like the sasquatch - the animal large numbers of people (not “rarest of cases” at all) have seen, but nobody seems to know.
In my opinion, I am lean more towards the paranormal school of thought than a purely cryptozoological frame of reference. I am here mostly because I do believe there is quite a bit of “overlapping” between these two fields, and I would hate to close my mind completely to a possibility, only to have it proved correct at some later time, putting me in a position of actually being one of those close-minded block heads I rail against so often in my thoughts when considering history!
Both sides in this argument have provided to me the exact same amount of proof of their beliefs about Bigfoot, that is to say, mere words written on a display screen. I have PERSONALLY not seen or felt or heard ANY evidence that would suggest to me, 100% that Sasquatch is real/physical. I have also never really had much cause to believe that the opposite is true either.
Are Sasquatch/es pandimensional beings with powers far beyond ours? I have absolutely no fracking idea at all. Is it a theory that could become more believable if I did a bit more research of my own? Sure. I’ve got more of a background of studying poltergeist type phenomena than I do in hunting animals. So anything could be possible.
What I find distastefull though, is the people here that simply heap personal abuse on people who have different ideas than their own, and how some would even dismiss the entire story based on spelling and grammar errors. It’s the proverbial throwing the baby out with the bathwater situation.
I am not trying to “dis” Silvereagle, but how did they catch the bigfoots in the first place?
It sounds like Carlos Castaneda was involved.
Wow. Well, coming late to the scene here, there’s not much to be said that hasn’t already been stated. In my recollection, Silvereagle has been a long-time poster with some very intelligent things to say, and signing his name to this, knowing how it was likely to be received, is a brave act. I think he deserves our respect, regardless of how his views might conflict with ours. Another poster is right is saying that mocking him is no different than the scientific establishment mocking CZ in general. Having said that, Silvereagle is quite hostile in his tone, or at least overly defensive, but that may be to be expected on such a controversial topic as this. After all, he knows how it’s probably going to be taken.
I remain open-minded with regards to his general premise. My own private theory or fantasy (At this point they’re about the same, with regards to evidence, and I’m not about to defend it as anything other than maddeningly wild speculation/wishful thinking on my part) is that some cryptids may exist in another dimension and occasionally phase in and out of our existence, or us in and out of theirs, due to some natural process with which we’re unfamiliar. And yeah, that theory would theoretically explain the “little people” too, and all manner of other phenomena. For such reasons, I refer to it as my “Goblin Universe” theory.
As for the details of the story, they DO seem to be internally inconsistent, and very much unverified. With all due deference to Silvereagle, he should also have known that the tale is extraordinary enough without the fact that he can offer very little in the way of verified facts except some all-too-vague generalities. Aside from poking around Lawrence Livermore, and querying Hawking, he gives us very little to go on, and doesn’t even really mention how HE came by all this information, which doubtless sets off the suspicions of many poster here.
DWA: if science stays away from researching Bigfoot because of the views like those held by Neal Burghstahler then it’s the fault of the so called scientists, in my opinion. Most of them haven’t got the courage of Jeff Meldrum and the like. They’re worried about upsetting the establishment and losing their research grants. This is understandable, as it may be their livelihood, but what science has to see, and by science I mean the scientific establishment, is that discoveries aren’t made by keeping the status quo. It’s about being bold, taking risks, making mistakes and learning. The scientific establishment are at fault, not people like Neal.
One more thing, to those of you in a previous topic stated that you believed in a god/creator/divine entity/supreme being, and you’ve knocked Neal’s opinions, where does your god reside? This isn’t a “Ha, caught you out!”, as I don’t know enough about theology or your beliefs (important word there) to challenge you in that way. It’s more to see if there is any chance of overlap here.
Invisible transdimensional hyperbeings? You’ve fallen for the government story on this one. They are actually 7 foot reptilians from Wolf 359 who pretend to be invisible Bigfoot as a cover for their activities. I don’t have space to give the evidence here, but I will be happy to send my 959-page manuscript which gives incontrovertible proof, plus a new theory of gravity and all the Derby winners for the next 10 years.
Over the years, there have been many reports in which bigfoot is described in such a way that suggests some sort of “paranormal” or “supernatural” attributes. There are also many reports which seem to suggest a link between bigfoot and UFO sightings, an idea which also flies in the face of reason; if one is assuming a strictly empirical and material nature for these phenomena. These kinds of paranormal reports generally do not sit well, either with those who adhere to the premise of an unacknowledged, wary hominid which inhabits the New World (as demonstrated in this thread), nor with “nuts and bolts” UFOlogists whose theory is that we are being visited by beings with advanced technologies from somewhere outside our solar system. It’s understandable that researchers and enthusiasts in both these fields shy away from discussing these kinds of sightings and reports, since they are generally discounted because of their “bizarre” nature. They certainly could serve to discredit legitimate research in the eyes of the public at large, as well as of mainstream science. But the fact remains that there continue to be reports of experiences with invisible and/or telepathic bigfoot, observations of UFOs and bigfoot which suggest a link between them, and many other kinds of high strangeness. Perhaps there are both unacknowledged large primates in North America, and complex, fourth dimensional beings who resemble them when materialized in this dimension. I don’t presume to have the answers. But this side to the bigfoot story exists, and has existed for a long time, and will probably not go away, as much as some would like it to. For further accounts of such weirdness, I highly recommend Hunting the Skinwalker by Colm Kelleher, and the writing of John Keel, Jacques Vallee, and others of that ilk.
Corvus Munnin
Mnynames, You sew some clever seeds of doubt. Accolades.
As for my sources, they include many world renown Engineering professors at UC Berkeley in the 70’s. UC Berkeley was aware of the then federal government’s plan to make Bigfoot top secret, even though they exist in many peoples backyards. Which appears to be somewhat unconstitutional, or should be. Since UC Berkeley staff fairly unanimously felt that this was WRONG, they decided to spread the word about Bigfoot because the federal government could not arrest them all. So Bigfoot discussion and disclosure, was a fairly constant thing when I was there in 1974-75. Other sources include an employee of Lawrence Livermore National Labs, who is likely now dead and thus cannot be prosecuted. I had no interest in Bigfoot at the time, but I did remember what he said. Even more sources include a ROTC cadet who was present when a colonel with the US ARMY came to OSU, to teach the cadets about the Bigfoot. That colonel apparently did in fact mention both invisibility and the orb phase of Bigfoot. My own camping experiences at the age of 12, often revealed the sound of nearby footsteps at dinnertime, but nothing was visible at the location of the sound. Other sources today include my own personal experiences of being located at the end of obvious large and small bipedal dashes through heavy brush. Which allowed me to study the rapid and fully synchronized dimension changes that take place with both Bigfoot and the little people. One such bipedal dash was for about 600 yards across a clear cut, and I had night vision to verify invisibility. Another was in the company of a tribal police officer, where 3 Bigfoot came within about 15 feet, but moved with virtually no sound through a dense network of branches while they studied us. So my sources of information are many and quite varied in location and time.
As to where they may have captured them, it could have been in the tunnels beneath Edwards Air Force base that I understand that the Bigfoot were accessing then and probably still are. How? Perhaps they had some kind of electrical barrier that they could turn on to confine them to a certain area. A Tesla cage perhaps, may also have been used. Bigfoot often restrain themselves from disappearing when they are plainly visible by man.
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories, would be a good source to try for information. They most likely have nothing in print, in regard to Bigfoot. Check with UC Berkeley students to see if they still teach about Bigfoot today. It certainly would not surprise me, since it appeared to be permanent school policy.
Most public wooded parks are closed during the night time hours. Has anybody been able to put 2 and 2 together in regard to this peculiar policy? I have. It is because we would hear many strange and unexplainable sounds in those woods, some of which would be quite clear footstep sounds. Now what do you suppose that is? The skeptics here will not likely enter a woods after dark with no flashlight on, in order to see if they can hear footstep sounds. I do it quite a bit, because that is how you study the Bigfoot and little people. So the study area to verify invisibility, is at everyone’s doorstep, few here will likely have the cahoanes to actually check it out at the prescribed time. Instead, they will walk through the woods during daylight hours, and claim that there is nothing there. Which would be quite incorrect, because Bigfoot can sleep in the ground as a 4th dimensional Orb, or they can sleep just about anywhere else and not be seen. They normally ignore us during daytime hours. So AUDIO PROOF is easy to provide for those present. The question is, will you have some night vision device to verify invisibility at that time. This doesn’t work as good in the wintertime.
He’s having a larf! Is he havin’ a larf?
Sure, this kind of idea makes a great flight of fancy, and it has been cooked up into quite a few really good science fiction stories (and even more bad ones). I am not one to say “impossible”.
A multidimensional universe? Sure. That, I accept. Bigfoot zipping back and forth between like dragons in an Anne McCaffrey novel? As fun as that is to imagine, I (somewhat reluctantly) say, not a chance. Or rather, it’s about as likely as Bigfoot migrating from Mars.
I want to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.
Hi,everyone!I confess I badgered Craig Woolheater about Silvereagle’s postings.I find myself suseptible to conspiracy theories.So, I think it is easier to believe that Sasquatch HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED for years rather than the alternative.
When I saw the creatures I was aware also that I was in a kind of shock. Previously a believer, I still fought a mental battle before believing my eyes.My brain at first argued that I was misjudging distance and perspective.Only after calculation did I admit to myself that the waving figure in my headlights was inhumanly tall.The second evidence was silver eyeflash.At that time I rocketted through several stages of panic.There was nowhere to turn off the two lane ,ditch-sided road.No houses nearby.No other cars.The second, larger creature became illuminated as I was still a hundred or so yards away.The first creature could,I knew, block the road!I resolved myself and continued past, relying on training slogans that I chanted to myself in my head.I did not vary my speed,maintaining a steady thirty miles per hour.As I passed I gawked like a tourist,ogling the second creature.The second was in a drainage ditch but still towered over the car,taller than I would be if I was standing on the road. The first creature gave a sort of snort (to my ear “ha!”) and in a few steps matched my speed,loping beside me for a few steps before falling back.
During the following months I destroyed my credibility with a lot of people and also nearly convinced myself I has hallucinated.
Then I got cancer and nearly died.The elders in my community said that the big man appears to us when something is going to happen.
I think that it what is happening.I think people can refuse the information thier eyes report,granting the Sasquatch invisibility.I think that we struggle with our place in the universe and it’s properties and we manufacture belief systems to deal with it all.
I’d like to thank Silvereagle,DWA,Craig Woolheater and Loren Coleman for the forum here
Joe Sieben
As munnin said, there are many reports of Bigfoot and other similar beasties that have seemingly supernatural aspects during their appearances to us mere humans. For example the Yowie - as Tony Healy said “After 25 years on the trail, I really suspect that the American Indians, the Australian Aborigines and some of the whacked-out American researchers are right: that is, that we’re dealing with shape-shifting phantoms here that will probably remain beyond human comprehension.”
Whether that makes Silvereagle ‘whacked-out’ or not, far be it for me to say. And yes, the initial post above does seem short on usable fact and have certain inconsistencies…. but if you can honestly say that he is definitely, undeniably, 100.000000% per cent wrong, then you are either a braver man than I, or more blinkered.
Or from another dimension.
So yeah, it all seems very unlikely, but people in glass houses and all that - it just strikes me that some of the posts here have been a little harsh. To half the world Cryptozoology is little more than nutters chasing pockets of swamp gas, and that’s exactly the same blinkered attitude that is presented when silvereagles’ claims are dismissed as due to LSD use or textbook schizophrenia.
Say they’re almost certainly wrong, if thats what you so think, but lets keep them minds open people!!
This is the kind of crap that makes skeptics laugh at any serious bigfoot research. Like Biscardi and a few others, this guy should be ran out of town on a rail. And for those of you that would like to note that he has the right to an opinion, you are correct - but it shouldn’t be promoted or allowed to contaminate an otherwise worthwhile site.
@kittenz
Those books describe an invisible Yeti as well. I think we’re onto something!
@silvereagle
Hey, I’d love to be proven wrong on this. Please cite sources. That’s all I ask. Send me to an official Hawkings website that features him discussing the invisible paradimensional Bigfoot. Then I’ll come back here and apologize. However, you’re still making my point that the burden of proof is on *your* shoulders but you defer it to be on our shoulders. It’s easy to make bold statements, but not so easy to prove them. Prove us wrong. Send us verifiable, bonafide, official URLs. Obviously, links to pictures of invisible Sasquatch off of Erik Beckjord’s site won’t count for obvious reasons.
In a pig’s eye, you say…
@Blue Steel
“If you really want to make a case against this idea of “interdimensionality”, then go out there and get that scientific proof.”
I’m afraid we live in a world of three dimensions and consequently we are fascinated with three dimensional evidence of Bigfoot. It’s up to YOU to prove that there are fourth dimensional beings. Otherwise, it’s just your opinion.
Great! Just what we needed.
**sigh**
I was a grad student at Berkeley in ‘68 and continued to visit the campus for the following ten years in the summertime. I kept up my old contacts there and everyone knew my interest in all things unexplained, so it seems ironic that I NEVER heard this tale before.
But maybe I was just in an altered state of consciousness at the time!
Rick Moran
Coordinator
ASUP
I’ll keep this short and simple: If this site continues to give time and space to such ludicrous stories, it will lose all credibility.
I believe (unless theories have changed) that the “fourth dimension” is Time. We are all fourth dimensional in that we pass through and experience it.
I am a spiritual person and have deep respect for the native traditions of my Dakota friends. I am open to ideas other than it being just a species of ape.
However, “the bigfoot hynotised him to go insane” may be key here somewhere…
Well, I’ve spent more time reading and responding to this thread than I should have. It’s time to get back to work. I just want to thank everybody for an enjoyable read, including Silvereagle. I’ve had some fun with your statements, Silvereagle, but you mustn’t assume I’m not open minded. I consider myself healthily skeptic. Spectral evidence is simply something I reserve for religion. I guess I’m just not ready for an invisible Bigfoot Buddy as a spiritual companion.
Cheers.
My husband is a Native American Traditional healer and I am a non-native women who was raised in Suburbia. He has seen Bigfoot twice in his life. I read him this post, and the following are his comments.
When he was young, the Elders shared with him their oral history concerning Bigfoot (their name for these beings is roughly translated as Mountain Man). The elders told him (and this is translated from the original native language) that Bigfoot was able to appear and disappear at will and can move from one dimension into another. They also can travel without detection through the cave system underneath the earth.
My husband also talks about the Little People and how they can shapeshift into rocks and can also become invisible. The elders considered it a great honor if a Bigfoot or one of the Little People appeared to a person.
Sometimes Bigfoot will show himself during a ceremony (ie. pipe ceremony, sweat lodge, vision quest) and this has happened to my husband a number of times. One time his sister and others saw a Bigfoot appear behind him during such a ceremony, and then disappear a few seconds later.
It can be hard for us (even me) to accept this reality since we come from a different culture than my husband. He was raised to accept such things as being real and he can see and sense things that others cannot. He also said he would not purposely go out to try to find a Bigfoot as this might make it angry.
Remus, Guessing at the 4th dimension being TIME, does nobody any good here. Stephen Hawking was brought to Berkeley in 1974-75, for the specific purpose of studying the report and films on the captive Bigfoot in the 60’s. That resulted in the decision during 1975 at UC Berkeley that the federal government did not want to be made public, that the new 4th dimension was designated to explain Bigfoot invisibility. TIME got booted to the 5th dimension simultaneously. Google for books on Hidden Dimensions and try reading them. Stephen Hawkings does not write about Bigfoot that I am aware of. Since he has as extremely high IQ, he obviously is not that stupid. He only TALKS about them.
RickMoran, I was at UC Berkeley at the same time as Stephen Hawking. Bigfoot was discussed in many classes, with no one single class was devoted to Bigfoot studies. You just stated that you visited, and did not attend classes in the 70’s, so you missed out. Attending in 1968, looks to be too early to experience the unwritten university policy of keeping Bigfoot knowledge alive.
Darkstream, Where do you think the word “interdimensional” came from? A hollywood movie perhaps! Not likely. Scientists most likely came up with that based on their studies. You appear to not be doing any reading on the subject of higher dimensions. Burden of proof is not on my shoulders because I did not give Craig Woolheater permission to reprint my emails. I do not live in the San Francisco Bay area. Let those people do the leg work. I don’t need to prove this to anyone. I know it’s all true. I could care less whether anyone here believes me, so I am not going to fly to S.F. to do the work that you expect someone else to do for you. As I stated in a response that Craig buried, Bigfoot come out at night in your local unimproved wooded public parks. You have a curfew on those parks because the Cities already know that strange sounds come out of that wooded park at night time that they cannot explain. So you can research the invisible Bigfoot yourself, without leaving your own city.
kittenz, Like some others, you already have parallel dimensions confused with parallel universes. They are not the same. Parallel dimensions exist simultaneously at the exact same location. Parallel universes do not, and are more likely a fantasy. Universes exist simultaneously at different locations, but are likely largely unrelated, in my opinion. Wormholes allow fast transport between different universes which are not parallel, not between parallel dimensions, in my opinion.
greatanarch, The government does not likely talk or write about anything interdimensional, transdimensional, etc. Because that upsets people who are hanging onto reality by their fingernails, of which there are hundreds of millions in the US alone.
Mnynames, You are hallucinating my hostility. Get over it. I gave Craig several other ideas on where to verify, but he has failed to print that so far. There are no contradictions in anything that I have stated. You are hallucinating that as well.
joppa, Why do you think that I would know how they caught the Bigfoot?
DWA, When you start philosophizing, I start to get real scared that the end of the world has got to be near. Please don’t take it personally, though.
I have a very open mind about a lot of things, but even with paranormal occurences, one has to base their theory on the evidence one can find, not make some far out theory and then go looking for evidence to fit it while ignoring evidence to the contrary. I can see a lot of strange things and create some really neat idea about shifting between dimensions, but without scientifically showing how that works or how that is even possible, it is just a fantastic idea no matter how much it seems to make sense. Just because the idea of cryptids shifting between dimensions could explain a lot of things doesn’t make this a valid theory. Not until there is something to show how this is the case and one can show how it works. Don’t mistake people’s unwillingness to accept these far fetched ideas with out any substantiation as close mindedness or negativity. Bigfoot researchers who study this animal as a flesh and blood animal have evidence to that effect and they are not necessarily close minded. I am extraordinarily open minded for someone who works in the field of science, so I take a bit of offense at being called negative or some such because I won’t just accept this stuff at face value. I believe in science and although I entertain some of these fringe ideas, I hold anyone who develops these theories to the same scientific verification and rigors as anyone else. If people who make these fantastical claims cannot do that, then don’t go sour grapes and accuse others of being close minded. This is the way science works. I think it is important get out and research the phenomena and find something more concrete than fantastic ideas that COULD explain things.
@DarkMatter, et.al,
“I’m afraid we live in a world of three dimensions and consequently we are fascinated with three dimensional evidence of Bigfoot.”
Not getting into a flame war - but…
I’m afraid you do live in a three dimensional world. So sorry.
Some of us listen to physicists talk about 4 (obviously time), 5, 6, and even more dimensions. Others only believe what they themselves can see, touch, feel. Still others stick to rigorous “scientific proof”, which in many cases ends up being a consensus view that a particular theory is pretty much, probably, almost certainly,99.9999% percent accurate.
Until someone comes up with something better.
This is vvvvvveeeeeeeeeeerrrryyyy interesting!!!!
Interesting discussion. Thanks everyone.
Whatever any of us decides about the dimensional stability of bigfoot, it’s a tremendous relief to find out he has a sense of humor. Imagine sneaking up behind secretaries and scaring them into dropping their coffee. What a zany guy!
Nice job on some gutsy speculations Neal. Thank you Craig of hosting discussion of these fascinating questions. I was particularly impressed by MultipleEncounters (Dave’s) application of logic and open mindedness by way of response to Neal’s troubling assertions.
I for one enjoy considering and speculating on these matters. String theory is rapidly approaching the verification of additional dimensions. I have also spoken at length with Native Americans who say precisely the same thing as Amstar husband, so I don’t laugh anymore, though I once did when I was a smarty-pants BFRO curator.
I swear I’m not one of Beckjord’s sockpuppets (can’t stand the guy) but I have to agree with Neal on at least some of what he says. I know nothing about Lawrence Livermore Labs but I have experienced some extememly peculiar field events like the ones Neal describes. At the time I convinced myself that I was delusional with fatigue. I eventually found others who described precisely the same occurrences. I was blown away. It totally changed my way of viewing the sas phenomenon.
There was a 13th chapter to The Locals that I was advised to withhold, so I did. It chronicled many field people’s descriptions of events like the ones Neal describes.
Be careful, the rest of you people. You are dangerously close to being part and parcel to what is know as a ‘feedback loop’. You stridently support each other’s indignant reaction to Neal’s suggestions. You may also be inappropriately supporting each other’s simplistic assumptions about the nature of the phenomenon. While you could counter-accuse me of the same crime, at least I stand willing to consider and discuss the possible veracity of Neal’s assertions.
Great job Neal, great job Craig. I love you guys!
To the rest of you good people: Please keep an open mind. I can’t remember whether it was Albert Einstein or Neils Bohr who once said: “The world is a far stranger place than you can even imagine”
That’s the way I see things, more and more.
All the best to everyone,
Thom Powell
It occurs to me that almost every time I hear something described as “common knowledge,” it turns out to be a heap of steaming nonsense, devoid of any reliable sources. Stephen Hawking, indeed!
It was Albert Einstien. Nevertheless, I personally still believe that bigfoot is a flesh and blood creature and there’s no so called paranormal phenomenon involved.
Ok, listen everyone, the time as has come for you all to be told the truth-
I am bigfoot.
I have amazing shapeshifting abilities that enable me to assume the form of a slightly befuddled english chap and am able to slip through space and time at will in order to avoid all you hunters (I know you never think of looking for me in north London). What other explanation could there be?
What do you mean you don’t believe me?
What happened to your ‘open’ minds?
silvereagle,
I am well aware of the “difference between parallel dimensions and parallel universes”, as you put it. I find the study of higher dimensions fascinating. I’m also aware that there is a difference between reality and fantasy. I think that the likelihood Bigfoot is a “creature from another dimension” is zero. But it does make an enchanting fantasy.
Silvereagle, very interesting account. I do believe that the government has had, and probably still does, a strong interest in Sasquatch, and their activities. I have heard from Special Forces members conducting tactical training in the mountains of Colorado who stated that there were frequent encounters with Sasquatch, while on maneuvers. They were instructed by civilian government officials (specific agency unknown) not to fire upon them and, when possible, to avoid them. In regards to your account, I think there probably is some truth attached to it. However, like any other proper inquiry, there needs to be a basic foundation of evidence linking aspects of the claim before we should give complete credence to it.
things-in-the-woods,
Warren Zevon did not by chance ever write a song about you did he
?
Los Cryptos…
Not sure about any of those Left Coast/Kentucky shapeshifting transdimensional mothership monkey men…but the giant screaming monkey folks we have in Oklahoma or the one I saw in Nebraska years ago are flesh and blood…they live, breathe, bred, bleed and die…JMHO
Rope theory…”Cookie…get a rope”…JMHO
live and let live…
ole bub and the dawgs
Definition,
4th dimension people: People who have the ability to not only live and die in man’s 3 dimensional world as apparently fully flesh and blood beings, but return to a variety of subdimensions within the 4th dimension and essentially become invisible to the simple 3 dimensional man.
3 dimension people: People with quite limited ability to transfer their bodies out of what appears to them as their own 3 dimensional world. Their spirit is likely 4th dimensional which allows it to exist inside their 3 dimensional body. Other 4th dimension spirits may also attempt to exist inside man’s 3 dimensional body simultaneously, and that may possibly be referred to as either “possessed”, “multiple personalities”, “your girlfriend” or “your ex-wife”.
slang, a person having the limited psychological ability to comprehend a 4th dimensional universe, as in “you’re so 3 dimensional”!
All I can say is:
If someone can verify the extradimensional stuff empirically, in a way science can test and buy, good for ‘em.
Until then, we’re stuck in three dimensions. If the big guy can ditch that skin, bully for him. But I know I can’t sleep in the ground as an orb to save my life.
Oh. Should have added this.
I think the folks that feel the sas evades us through paranormal capabilities give US too much credit.
I don’t think it’s his four-dimensional evasion tactics that keep the sas invisible to science. I’m totally comfortable with it being our three-dimensional stupidity. I think the data set sits very well with that thesis.
Everyone has heard or read of accounts of bigfoot tracks simply disappearing in the middle of a field etc, the American Indians knew them to be otherworldly without a doubt. They knew more about this country and the life found therein than we will ever know or accept. Maybe what holds us back from the truth is our exalted intelligence. We live in a world that has the capacity to split atoms yet we cannot accept something like interdimensional travel. Tesla and many others knew and were labeled kooks.
If for example, I’m pulled over by the police, dash from my car and high tail it to the woods, they will track and FIND ME. So then, if these things are corporeal, then tell me how then can they cannot be found out in this world of ever escalating technology, forget your tech. It’s what you think you know that holds you back from the simple truths that are before your own eyes.
Neal / Silvereagle: yes, I did get mixed up about parallel universes and dimensions. So I went and did some reading on the theory of the 4th dimension - website links from wikipedia. I must admit, most of it went above my head but I think the basics started sinking in.
It raised a few more questions for me though:
Are you saying Bigfoot is a being that exists in the 4th dimension or in 4 dimensions (as we exist in 3 dimensions)? The theory, as I understand it, goes that if we appeared in a 2 dimensional plane then we could appear where we wanted, as we exist in the 3rd dimension as well. But we would only appear in 2 dimensions as we passed through the 2D plane - i.e. a slice of us would appear that could change shape as we appeared. So, if beings exist in 4 dimensions, not in the 4th dimension, then they could not appear to us here as a 3 dimensional object. If Bigfoot, as you assert is a being that just exists in the 4th dimension, how does that work? To exist in 1 dimension surely it must be a 1 dimensional entity.
Okay, let’s go with that they had a room at the Labs where they had science that could contain a Bigfoot in a room. Who gave the careteker the key/code to the door. Surely it would have been a higher level of security than that? And once it did get out why wander around looking for a way out, it wasn’t contained anymore, it could have walked through walls.
I’m still openminded on the 4 dimensions angle, but becoming more skeptical, but the account you provide just doesn’t add up to me.
Personally, I’m more open to the idea of overlapping parallel universes which drop a flesh and blood being into our universe for a short time. And while I’m on the subject of parallel, all the material I read about the 4th dimension said that it existed at right angles to the ‘normal’ 3 dimensions, not in parallel.
Open of mind, willing to learn, yet to be convinced.
One important experiment that I conducted on the Quinault Indian Reservation went like this:
-I called two Sassies into a particular location on the edge of the woods.
-On following weekends for about 5 weeks, I returned to that location to call them in again, except they were almost exactly where I had left them the previous week. Once I emitted some audio calls, there would be a few seconds of waking up, a few seconds of recognition of the sound, another second or so of changing dimensions as two feet would hit the ground and finally a few audible footsteps as they walked a short distance to the usual vantage point that they both would take up on the edge of the trees. They would then just stand there and watch me until I left.
-During the day prior to or following several of these visits, I would venture into the forest at the exact locations where the noise of their presence would appear, and there was nothing visible at those two separate locations.
-This continued until I took a small group of humans there and bravely predicted that I could call in two sassies within 5 minutes, and pointed to the two locations that they would end up at. Of course I succeeded because they were already present at those locations, except in another dimension. They were both at the predicted locations within 1 minute.
So there you have it. Bigfoot is solved. We now know how they evade us. We know where they sleep. We know that they are 4th dimension people. We know that they understand English. We know that they are telepathic. We know that they would like to be our Bigfoot Buddies. We know something about the real 4th dimension. So we can now all go home and look for new mysteries to solve, like why most people can’t deal with a 4 dimensional Bigfoot.
MBFH, The theory that you are referring to has to do entirely with attributes of the spatial dimensions. Some mistakenly believe that the 4th dimension is a spatial dimension, which it is not. Nor does the 4th dimension exist at right angles to any 3 dimensional vectors. That is a BS theory they came up with in about 1967, and failed to take it off the books. The theory that I am referring to has only 3 spatial dimensions with the attached 4th dimension being a vibrational dimension. More specifically, the 4th dimension is a sub-atomic vibrational measure of quanta strings as I recall, that has both a direction and a magnitude associated with the 4th dimension theoretical vector that represents that vibration. The x, y and z vectors that depict a 3 dimensional world, all have a specific direction and magnitude as well. Light has frequency and thus vibration. So by changing frequency of vibration, you change the reflected light. When you change frequency of vibration, you then likely also change the sub-atomic force fields that make that object solid to other objects that exist in the same dimension. Objects of a different 4th dimensional vibration from each other, could then likely pass through one another, or even pass through a 3 dimensional object as well.
Bigfoot does not just exist in the 4th dimension, they just have the capability to exist in the 4th dimension as well as in our 3 dimensions.
The janitors likely did not enter the room, until many people gave the go ahead. The first janitor, did not mention to anyone that something invisible brushed by him when he walked in, until after the 2nd janitor did mention that something invisible brushed by him when he walked in. Then they figured out how both Bigfoot escaped.
The LAB contains some huge buildings that dwarf anything that you have seen elsewhere. The Bigfoot did walk through walls or any other solid object except for the special holding cell walls, apparently. The first Bigfoot escaped by itself by most likely walking through walls or floating through a roof. The 2nd Bigfoot took some coaxing to get him to find a way out. Perhaps he enjoyed the company of the secretaries in their miniskirts of the 60’s.
Hmmm… this sounds similar to a short lived television show I used to watch on the SciFi channel called, “the Invisible Man”. In the tv show, the writers play up the idea that in some native american legends, bigfoot has the ability to turn itself invisible. In one episode, the viewer learns that scientists extracted an organ out of a captured bigfoot that is referred to as an “invisibility gland”. Later this gland gets implanted into a human being. The human/main character (Darin Fawkes), is able to use this gland to turn himself invisible as well. If I remember correctly, the gland only allowed the main character to turn invisible, it didn’t allow him to pass through solid objects.
Info about the show is listed here:
Darin Fawkes
The Invisible Man
Silvereagle -
Do you have photographic or video taped evidence of these meetings?
You mention upon calling them that you hear two feet hit the ground and then noises of them moving through the forest to the appointed places from which they watched you. If they were physical beings at that point would they not leave physical evidence - and if you knew where they would be appearing could you not plan for this and set up sand or mud for them to track in (making noise).
I visited your website for arranged visits from Bigfoot. The site doesn’t say, so one needs to ask - what is the fee for such service?
So we’re at night - it’s dark - I imagine no one has hi-tech night vision video equipment handy - and we’re returning to the same spot over and over from which we hear the auditory proof of something moving about which we are told is Bigfoot….
If it’s coming to the same place over and over again are your participants able to arrive at the site before dark and wait? Are they able to walk about the area and observe if there is anyone else about? And perhaps check for a sound producing device?
Respectfully
Here’s a thought, some of you Cryptomundo people must live near woods where Bigfoot has been seen? Well, why not do this scientifically (as far as is possible) and test the hypothesis. Go out into the woods at night and try and contact Bigfoot as Silvereagle describes. I’m being serious, a lot of us go on about scientific methodology so why not put this to the test?
It’s easy for me to say, I live in the UK, but if any of you guys are up for it give it a go. Nowt to lose…
Any takers? Please, this is driving me mad!
Silvereagle: You say the theory I mention is BS - how has this been shown? And how has the theory you are offering been shown not to be? There’s precious little on the internet about it that I can find. If you can point me to some peer reviewed scientific papers that are available I’d be grateful.
Still not convinced that janitors would be let into a room beyond scientific imagination that was holding a being that could exist in 4 dimensions.
Keep trying, I’m genuinely interested.
MBFH: tell you what.
You send me the results of your orb research on otters in the Lake Country, I’ll send you mine on Bigfoot.
Deal?
The closest I’ve come to contacting one of these buggers was possible prints in northern CA in 1986. (I’ve never seen anything that looked so much like prints that wasn’t prints. But they were VERY old.) Very 3D, and very like practically every other encounter I have heard of (in being 3D).
Like my crossing the Atlantic on foot, I’m confident enough of lack of success not to try. (Also, I’m not within an easy drive of any recent reported sightings. Recency, for obvious reasons, moves me.)
If the big guy wants to orb his way into my life, it won’t be up to me, but to HIM.
In the pines,
I did not record that particular experiment partly because I did not realize that it was an experiment until it was all over. I was just seeing what might happen with Bigfoot calling. Light footstep noises at 75 yards are impossible to record, due to the white noise in most inexpensive audio recorders. Bigfoot does not always make heavy footstep noises, but they do need to make footstep noises with a bipedal rhythm for identification purposes, which can be quite faint and easily ignored if one did not know what to listen for. Those two particular bigfoot were most likely invisible the entire time. They do not often leave footprints when they are invisible, since the foot pressure is likely very low.
I do not sell guided trips at this time, due to licensing requirements.
Arriving too early at a location that one wishes to call in unfamiliar Bigfoot, normally is not successful since they have the time and opportunity to scope you out with orbs and telepathy, and they would then see no reason to investigate you further. With Bigfoot that are your buddies, you most likely can arrive early and be successful. Bigfoot buddies make far less noise than Bigfoot that are unfamiliar with you. Because Bigfoot buddies are not interested in scaring the living daylights out of you by stomping, snorting, heavy branch breaking and generally dismantling the forest around you. Bigfoot buddies value your friendship and thus are very quiet. Unfamiliar Bigfoot can quickly be befriended, so there is no great reason to panic and leave, except with growlers. If you can’t get them to both stop growling and improve their attitude, then I would just leave.
Artificial sound making devices are fairly easy to identify. Walking any sight beforehand will essentially contaminate it, from my experience.
DWA: no harm in asking is there, if you don’t cast a line you won’t catch anything. You’re on of the contributors on here who’s comments I always look out for and take note of as you’ve got a lot of good things to say. If you’re not on for a stakeout for whatever reason then I can’t question that.
I’m in the Lakes mid-month (District, by the way!) so I’ll certainly be keeping an eye out for orbic otters - although I’m more inclined to big eels. And for the ABCs and Earthlights.
Eyes open, mind open, skepticism switched on.
MBFH: as the saying goes, I walk around with my skepticals on, you see better.
Being that pretty much every experience of my life has been 3D, I think it’s pretty much kosher to assume that that is what the Big Guy is. Although I’m open to something else, I don’t have to look for it. I’m content to let it find me.
And thanks for the compliment. I try to make it fun.
District. Believe it or not, I knew that. Any big eels or colossal squid, let us know.
silvereagle: the end of the world is quite near. In a number of world cosmologies, I am God (you are too), so I (we) know. I’m not putting this in the NY Times, the Washington Post or your local wooded park, though, because people would panic.
MBFH: re: your earlier comment, I’ve castigated science for its laziness on the sasquatch many times here. But I do recognize that for science to get off its [laziness] and do some research will require shucking some paradigms. And it’s always INDIVIDUALS that do that first, and they do so at considerable career risk.
Silvereagle, saying that someone is hallucinating sounds pretty hostile to me, actually. That goes for those who said the same of you, too. All I was saying was that you seemed a bit defensive right out of the gate, moreso that most of the later comments warranted, but I was also saying that it was only natural to be so because of how your information was likely to be viewed, as well you knew. I know you’re being grilled here, and as far as I’m concerned, you’re only relating information that was passed on to you, so no one should expect you to have all the answers. The inconsistencies within the story are problematic, but not your fault. Even if 100% of it is true, those problems would remain unexplained, and there’s no reason they should have been explained to you in the first place.
As for all those saying that this topic has no place here, or that it belittles CZ, well, I have this to say. I’ve always taken Cryptomundo to be representative of CZ as a whole, and that means that it should include everything from Benjamin Radford on one side to Silvereagle here on the other, with Biscardi and other hoaxers lurking about in its gutters somewhere as well. Creationists are as welcome as evolutionary biologists. As long as the posters continue to employ the scientific method and apply logic and reason to the information presented here, I think that ends up being a plus, not a negative, with regards to CZ. It shows that we’re open-minded, but, to use my old history professor’s favourite term, we also “Crap-Detect’ as well as any academic.
Moving on, MBFH actually has a bit of a point. It may sound all new agey and whatnot, but being open to trying, and then coming back to this discussion to share your results (Or lack thereof, as the case may be), would show, I suppose the best term would be “good faith”, on the part of the scoffers here. If you try it and get nothing, at least you now have empirical evidence on your side. And MBFH, if BF is trans-dimensional, I imagine it wouldn’t hurt to try for them there in the UK either. Silvereagle mentioned the wee folk too, and you Brits are supposed to have truckloads of them about as well, so take your pick. In any case, it removes one further obstacle in the discussions here, as silly as it might sound to some, because then no one can accuse you of not having given it a chance.
Personally, I have been in parks after closing many, many times, and have little evidence to support Silvereagle’s position at all. I also believe that it’s a matter of record that the government had curfews on most parks long before the 1960’s, and most of those would have been originally instituted by local governments, not federal.
Having said that, I will relate the one experience that does have some bearing here, for what it’s worth. I believe the date was Feb. 15, 1997, and I was wandering about within the edge of the Wharton State Forest in NJ along with 2 friends. I had caught a glimpse of some lights in the sky while we were driving there, but couldn’t confirm that they were anything but airplane lights. When we got there, however, we very quickly saw 3 or 4 amber lights in the overcast sky that would blink on, one after the other, then fade out, one by one, in complete silence. They would then reappear in a nearby area of the sky and repeat. Towards the end of our observation, as the lights seemed to be appearing more and more in the distance, we heard what sounded to me like something very large moving through the trees about 50-100 yards away. Now, it was a very cold night, and the others wrote it off, I’m inclined to think correctly, as trees popping in the temperature-dropping night air, but at the time it seemed pretty directional, and I admit I was scared enough to refuse to walk back to the car with them, because I perceived that the path of this thing would intersect the trail back (Instead, I followed the trail further, where it led back out to the road. This had the added benefit of allowing me to observe the lights further, as they were appearing more distantly in the same direction).
Several months later, I did witness military airplanes dropping amber flares over the exact same region, under similar conditions, but the lights from the flares looked nothing like what we saw, nor did they last as long, and I was very easily able to hear and see the planes. Over the years, I have seen similar lights, usually from many, many miles away, that to me appeared to be located directly above the same forest. I still have no real explanation for what I saw, although if I were pressed to hazard a guess, I would say that they were probably an example of some sort of naturally-occuring “Earth light.” Due to the cedar swamps in the area, swamp gas I suppose is a possibility, but in my mind not a likely one, due to the movements and height of the lights.
Anyway, I’m with Kittenz in keeping an open mind, truly, but again not so open that it falls out of my head. I consider everything food for thought, but also believe in a well-balanced diet.
I guess I’m going to throw something more into this thread.