Hey Matt,
You should head over to Felton (north of Santa Cruz) to the Bigfoot Discovery Center…. the owner/operator has a very interesting tooth that was found in the hills as well as many documented sightings. We just got back from there and were pretty impressed. Keep up the good work, yeah.. the show is not perfect… but I like it.

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I think those photos are already in the pipeline to Jeff Meldrum. That’s our protocal for tooth finds. We hear about them every so often, and it’s always the same procedure: 1) Whoever has possession of the tooth must take several clear close-up photos of every side of the tooth with scale objects beside it like coins. 2) If the photos are very high-res then they need to be posted to a photo sharing web site. 3) The link needs to be emailed to Meldrum, and the link should be posted on every relevant discussion forum along with a request for input. That allows lots of people to forward the link around to even more people.

If you follow that protocol for an unidentified tooth, you will solve the mystery faster and more cheaply and more transparently than any other way.

When gathering opinions about an unidentified tooth, the more the merrier, because often it will be some non-bigfooter scientist who nails it with a comparative image.

I’m not going to post Meldrum’s private address publicly here. Suffice it to say, I do believe that photos of the tooth you’re referring are already in Meldrum’s inbox, so there may be an answer soon. If Meldrum is stumped then he’ll keeping forwarding the link around until someone ID’s it.

If it’s a bigfoot tooth, Meldrum will know it immediately. If he says it’s not a bigfoot tooth, then it’s not a bigfoot tooth. You can take his word for it.

Is Matt a hoaxer? I can neither confirm nor deny that. Have I seen him hoaxing anything with my own eyes? Of course not. Has Matt made claims of fact without any proof? Of course. Has Matt dismissed valid, alternate explanations of claims? Of course.

Facts are facts and Matt has none to bring to the table…at least he has yet to do so. That is all we are asking for.

Will the show get a second season? There’s always a chance of a network not having anything else ready to replace it. Does it have the ratings that network standards typically demand for continuation? No, it does not. If the source of all the troubles with the show stem from the production company, then that is an issue that Matt, BFRO and the rest of the cast need to firmly address. It is their credibility that is being affected by the production company’s actions. Those actions are what we see aired on TV. Those actions on TV and here are what we go on when providing opinions on the show. Rather than attacking viewers and readers, Matt needs to be civil and provide the truth in a calm, mature manner. Anyone else in a fringe science never would have made a name for themselves had they not been able to take and address criticism professionally.

Just as when you accuse him of fabricating evidence, does that mean you are calling him a hoaxer?

He did not say Kahil was a troll, he accused you of troll tricks.

To me, that is the difference. It may just be a matter of semantics, but…

There is a difference between calling someone out for their actions as opposed to calling them a name.

Editor’s Note: Once again, that last comment would normally be edited out. Once again, it was left in to make a point.

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I was attempting to mediate the acrimony on here, which I see now as a pointless endeavor. But I will leave you with this: You have made some rather un-insightful assumptions about me. You seem to think that I am incapable of having read this entire controversy starting from day one. I’ve merely kept silent. I broke that silence in order to try to bring things back to a middle ground. I have failed in this.

I will also say this: Your repeated use of my screen-name is a barely disguised tactic most often used to put someone on the defensive. I have my own critical thinking AND basic reasoning skills. It seems as though you think that anyone who comes to a conclusion different from your own, or who asks the most basic questions, isn’t capable of independent thought.

I don’t give a damn about what Kahil thinks. I have refrained from forming a serious opinion on the off chance that you might show yourself to be a reasonable human being. I see that this is not the case. All I did was offer a way to settle the acrimony, and you resort to calling me naive…all because I came to independent conclusions about the way you are representing the show and yourself.

You know almost nothing about me, yet you make blatantly false assumptions because…why? I’ve certainly never had anyone act quite so paranoid when I made basic suggestions or asked simple questions. This certainly looks suspicious. I wonder why you would go to the lengths you do in order to alienate a single person (rather, alienate several people, individually). I wonder why you feel the need to talk down to people who are happy to reach their own, independent, conclusions.

Questions, questions….

Editor’s Note: Normally the above would be edited out of the comment. But as it is baseless here. I left it in.

In Matt’s comment, he is talking about Kahil’s actions. He does not call Kahil a name.

Every single issue about the show that Kahil keeps mentioning and listing in each of his new posts has ALREADY been addressed and answered and explained in previous posts. You haven’t read all of it, and Kahil is betting there are many others who haven’t seen where he has been smacked down on all his previous lies and accusations. As a troll trick, he repeats those questions as if they haven’t been completely answered already … Do you know what troll is, MercuryCrest ??

Kahil trying to confuse naive people like you who haven’t been watching his scam unfold from the beginning. If you had been paying close enough attention then you would have already seen his game in action. He’s not trying to find the truth. He’s not trying to acknowledge the truths and explanations that have already been presented in various threads over the past few weeks. He’s just trying to posture with some kind of phony correctness … even when he gets smacked down with cold hard facts day after day. That what a troll does.
Matt Moneymaker

Craig Woolheater

Look Matt, you still haven’t proved anything and you still are dancing around the subject. 1.4 million viewers isn’t much, especially when compared to any other hit show. Next, you cannot deny that nearly every source for ratings gives your show very low numbers. Anyone can see that TVByTheNumbers is a user generated site just like IMDB. But here we have you going to playground rules and stating that you are right and the rest of us are wrong. All ratings are polls, simple fact.

What we have here folks is Matt playing lawyer and trying to discredit me when it isn’t my credibility in question. Matt simply cannot handle critics so he opts to attack them rather than answering his claims with facts. Look at the link he provided. Yes, 1.4 million viewers, but take a look at the ratings…go ahead, I’ll wait…..what were the ratings? 0.5! The number of people who watched the show means little if the most of them disliked it.

So… If all Matt can bring to the game is name calling and personal attacks and no facts…then he’s already lost. Multiple episodes does not equal multiple seasons. A few more episode blocks does not equal multiple seasons being aired. Ask your manager. If he’s knows anything about the industry he will tell you that just because something is filmed, doesn’t mean it will be aired or renewed for more seasons. It doesn’t mean that the show would suddenly be canceled. And again, no one has seen anything from Animal Planet about the show that matches the claims you have made. So excuse us if we don’t just take your word for it.

If you make a claim, you gotta back it up with cold, hard facts. You have yet to do so. Rule number one in show business bud…don’t make bold claims about your show without the facts.

@ Moneymaker – Which real rating services are you citing? Perhaps you mentioned it in previous posts, and I missed it. If not, then I reiterate: citing sources like these can only help silence your critics.

Every single issue about the show that Kahil keeps mentioning and listing in each of his new posts has ALREADY been addressed and answered and explained in previous posts. You haven’t read all of it, and Kahil is betting there are many others who haven’t seen where he has been smacked down on all his previous lies and accusations. As a troll trick, he repeats those questions as if they haven’t been completely answered already … Do you know what troll is, MercuryCrest ??

Kahil trying to confuse naive people like you who haven’t been watching his scam unfold from the beginning. If you had been paying close enough attention then you would have already seen his game in action. He’s not trying to find the truth. He’s not trying to acknowledge the truths and explanations that have already been presented in various threads over the past few weeks. He’s just trying to posture with some kind of phony correctness … even when he gets smacked down with cold hard facts day after day. That what a troll does.

Case in point (pay attention here, Mercury Crest): I DID prove EACH of my points. And the first with NUMBERS. If I provide (link to) a number of 1.4 million (viewers or households?) from a widely recognized industry ratings web site (TVbytheNumbers), and Kahil casts doubt on that source, and/or says it not as relevant as a *poll* on the IMDB web site … with less than 500 people participating in the poll … then I have PROVED MY POINT !!! I have proved my point that Kahil is clearly and obviously trying to deceive the readers of this forum. It couldn’t be more rationally obviously … without even having to reference sources or authorities beyond those linked directly to these posts. It’s totally-in-your-face obvious !!

My other point was that the TV series has been renewed for several more episodes, two blocks of episodes, actually, which qualify as Season 2 and part of Season 3. You can call that whatever you want, but it supports my original assertion that 1) “You can bet that Finding Bigfoot will go on for several seasons” and later that 2) We have just been renewed for several more episodes. Kahil says those assertions contradict each other somehow. He says it’s “backtracking” and that I haven’t proven that it’s not “backtracking” … Do I need to further prove my point that he’s wrong. Ain’t it obvious to you, MercuryCrest, that he’s wrong based on the record??

I really hope you don’t actually think I need to prove with some kind of documentation that the series has been renewed … I hope you’re not that naive, MercuryCrest … The thought of it makes me laugh. We’re talking about a TV series with lots of people involved — lots of other people who would know whether my statements are true. Do you actually think I’d be saying the series has been renewed if was NOT renewed? or if we really didn’t know that yet? You’re not that naive, are you, MercuryCrest??

If I say the TV series has been renewed, and you have any doubt of that, then you can take it upon yourself to contact the other cast members to confirm it. I don’t need to prove something like that to a troll on a forum or to a naive reader who hasn’t been paying attention and hasn’t figured out the game of the troll who has succeeded in tripping him up.

One of the reasons I was hoping there was some kind of paperwork is because if they are renewing it this might be your chance to renegociate in some credibility into the editing. So they just call your agent and say its renewed and thats it, no signing of anything? I guess they had an automatic renewal clause in the orignal deal, and please tell me at least that was a contract?