Comments on: Olympic Project’s Derek Randles on Sasquatch Shootings

By: Nominay

Nominay — Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:26:48 +0000

@ Flame821
For the time being I’ll have to disagree on Lindsay building his story on what Cryptomundians say as this is not apparent to me in the slightest. If you check out his articles which it sounds like you haven’t, he’s quite capable writing creatively on his own. He has NEVER said that the shooter is “misunderstood but basically a good kind of fellow”. You cannot find me that quote because it exists not (I’m not saying you’re a liar, I know you’re not, just that you are confused). He’s been consistent loathing this guy and telling us why.
So let me get this straight – You think Smeja is a pawn of Robert Lindsay’s fiction? Everyone from Ken Walker to Derek Randles to my source and the now accused are all part of a conspiracy to I dunno, have the Olympic Project steal the Erickson Project’s thunder by making the OP look bad? “Hey guys, we have a serial, Bigfoot murderer on our team, he’s one of us!” Or was it suppose to benefit the EP somehow, which would make Randles a Benedict Arnold? Or did they all hatch this plan so that Lindsay could get more attention and feel important? I don’t understand how all this works, so I challenge you to make sense out of it. By all means, educate me.

By: j stewart

j stewart — Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:01:57 +0000

@redearth

The 25/06 is a nowhere the same as the 30/06. Though the 25/06 is a necked down version as is the 270. The small 120 grn bullet which is the largest grn for the 25 is not capable of the same terminal ballistics of the 30/06 which can be loaded with up to a 220 grn bullet with a 180grn bei.g the norm. The design and light weight of the 25 is specifically aimed at light thin skinned game not bears. You cant use air guns as a comparison to firearms. They are two totally different animals. Comparing the 25/06 to the 30/06 is like comparing the 243 to the 308. Or the 22/250 to the 308. Same shell casing but way different terminal ballistics and intended purposes. Most bullets lose about 20 to 40 percent of bullet weight upon impact due to fragmentation which further decreases penetration. You would need a type bullet that just isn’t available in the 25. When hunting larger game anyone who is knowledgeable about guns and hunting would seldom choose a small caliber for bear. It’s just not common practice. For someone to choose what is commonly thought of as a varmint gun to hunt bear says loads about the experience and knowledge as well as the ethics of the hunter. With such a small caliber, anyone who knows anything about guns would just about only opt for a neck shot . The 25 doesn’t have the mass to get past thick hide and muscle and bone of most bears. Go to any hunting forum and ask about using a 25/06 on bear and you will hear the same. It is legal to hunt bear with the 25, it’s just not ethical or suggested. Any hunter wants a quick kill and never to wound an animal which means using the right gun for the game. Bottom line is the 25/06 is not a bear cartridge in anyone’s book. I am a Texas Hunter Education instructor in Shelby Co. and posed this question to several local and non local Game Officers with the same results previously stated by me.

By: Red Earth White Lies

Red Earth White Lies — Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:01:40 +0000

Still, the gun & sequence of events over the 1st two weeks is totally expected & nothing sets off an alarm. A .25-06 is just a faster-smaller projectile version of the “all around 30.06″ that the Patterson gang had at Bluff Creek; exactly the same relationship as switching out an airgun barrel from .22 to .177… still more or less going to be attempted for 90% of the same game with “adequate” results. Bullet placement & bullet desgn.

There is no evidence that the hunters had any connection with a “Bigfoot” organization prior to the shooting, otherwise there would be no doubt that they would have got to work immediately with pocket cameras/video & hunting knives/pocket saws cutting off various specimens for transport out of the area.

By: flame821

flame821 — Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:25:27 +0000

@ Nominay

I went to Lindsay’s link you provided. I’m having less and less faith in this man as a person, let alone as a journalist. He’s reporting rumors, including some that started/were posted on here as if they are truths. In fact, in several instances he is using ALMOST verbatim, our own theories and counterpoints as to why this is so unbelievable. (all without crediting the source, btw)

Lindsay also seems to be playing all sides on the field. From ‘the hunter is a red-necked fundamental christian’ to ‘a hero like George Bush’ to ‘misunderstood but basically good sort of fellow’. He’s hitting too many buttons, using too many catch phrases and words meant to polarize us.

This is stinking more and more. And then I see some of the most recent comments on his site, including one under the topic “are black people stupid” I think that tells me more about his site than I care to know. I think he’s just looking for traffic and sensationalism more than anything.

All this brouhaha started on his site with his Sierra Killings story, so now I’m down to ‘consider the source’ and I’m not giving it a whole lot of credence.

By: Nominay

Nominay — Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:05:04 +0000

I'm back at this thread only to correct my comment in response to Flame821. I meant this link in reference to this link, which btw, I came across the latter after my source identified the shooter. So there, now you all can forget this ever happened. Unless you're like Big_Fugazzi of course, who disagrees with that premise.

By: Big_Fugazzi

Big_Fugazzi — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:19:06 +0000

That remains to be seen.

I believe most likely the contrary will be proven true. Just as those who spent hours following and debating the Biscardi hoax are missing a few brain cells, so will those who followed this poorly written fiction (including me).

By: Nominay

Nominay — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:30:51 +0000

@ RW
Chronology. ‘Bear Hunter’ said all along that the shooter had deep ties to the Olympic Project once he, BH, got him in touch w/ OP, after he, BH, reached out to him following the furor at Taxidermy.net … and has been involved ever since. This is what Lindsay reported, and Randles confirmed this at Bigfootforums.
The only holes Fugazzi are in the minds of those who have not followed the story.

By: RWRidley

RWRidley — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:40:56 +0000

Big_Fugazzi – Didn’t consider that.

By: Big_Fugazzi

Big_Fugazzi — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:31:28 +0000

“He did not believe in Bigfoot at that time.”

“Justin Smeja was introduced to Derek Randles after an encounter with a Sasquatch in the mountains of Northern Ca. Texas native, he now makes his home near Sacremento California and works in the construction trade. Avid hunter, tracker and fisherman, Justin specializes in scent control and camera set up.”

Does this refer to the alleged shooting? Intersting it says “a Sasquatch”.

Either he joined OP after the incident or there are major holes.

By: Nominay

Nominay — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 05:15:30 +0000

@flame Yeah. That picture is from '02. According to Lindsay he's 29 now. Lindsay also unwittingly confirms it's him in the other picture. So this is not speculation, it's fact. One thing I want to clarify in my earlier post. My source doesn't know that the controversy has been revived. I'll refrain some saying further at this time. Let the pieces fall where they may for now ...