Where are these terms of use now? Matt Moneymaker is being allowed to do the same old name calling and nastiness as before with no editing. This is a clear VIOLATION of these terms of use. Yet no editing is being seen. So are the terms of use being waved for everyone or just Matt? I’m just a bit confused after reading his response in his replies to Kahil.

Well, I’m sure you have read where that evidence is being dissmissed after Matt Crowley’s test casts. Even Dr Jeff meldrum conceded that it is no longer evidence.

Crowley’s test show that the Chilcutt’s “pattern” is an artifact of the casting process.

Although Jimmy Chilcutt admits the dermal ridges can be duplicated he still maintains the footprints are of a real animal.

Me, I believed the dermal ridges were a key piece of evidence, but when they were duplicated, it made Bigfoot seem even less likely in my opinion.

Believe it or not, I think our best hope for Bigfoot in North America, will be any discoveries overseas.

I hold out hope for Orang Pendek as a new type of Orangutan. I see that as high as a 50/50 chance it exists.

I also put the Asian Yeti/Wild Man at about 25% chance of existing and it is found to be a descendant of Gigantopithicus.

If either one of these animals is found, then there is hope for other large unknown primate.

Bigfoot did not evolve here in North America…it had to migrate from somewhere, and “if” we can find living descendants of Gigantopithicus in Asia, then it is possible they are elsewhere…but that’s a huge “if”.

I understand you wanting for the pattern flow to be the rock solid proof we need…but it won’t be.

Jimmy Chilcut never published a paper for peer review on his findings, so we know where science will stand on that one.

DNA is the last hope for Bigfoot without a body. Dr Melba Ketchum was supposed to submit a paper for peer review months ago on her DNA findings. The fact that she has not has me worried on that front as well.

Yes after 44 years, and the Patterson/Gimlin film, Bigfoot is on life support. It is up to believers to keep Bigfoot alive.

Recreated evidence like we found in Finding Bigfoot only hurts the cause. If we want Bigfoot to survive, it will have to be through science.

I would genuinely like to know your opinion on those sasquatch footprints that have complex and unique dermal ridges.

Surely that’s proof enough (for now) that ‘something’ flesh & blood is roaming around out there?

Your posts brought a smile to my face as I have used the same arguments you make since 1974, that’s when I started believing in Bigfoot. As a kid, my dad too me to Expo 74, the Spokane Worlds Fair, and flying in I saw SOOOOO much land and trees, I believed anything could be living down there.

But alas, it’s been over 35 years now, and nope, still nothing.

I was born and raised in Pasadena, Calif, and I spent a good part of my life in our local mountains. Although we have mountain lions up there, I have never seen one in the wild, I’ve seen tons of deer, and a couple of bears. The one thing I have seen in remote areas is…guys with guns. Hunting legal, and illegal, goes on all the time.

That’s when it hit me. In California, we hunted the Grizzly Bear into extinction, that was 1000′s of bears over the years. During that same time till now there have literally been hundreds of thousands of hunters in the woods all over California…EVERYWHERE.

For every legal hunter with tags, you have as many if not more illegal hunters with just guns.

My point is that with over 100 years of hunting and hundreds of thousands of hunters here in California, NO ONE HAS EVER KILLED A BIGFOOT! A 7 foot tall animal over 500 pounds? Come on, put all your evidence against that and tell me who’s inner child is posting me.

I know there are VAST areas even here in Calif where it is still possible for animals to hide, but I am honest, the footprints and sightings are not found in those vast areas, they are found in multiple areas…including areas where hunting takes place.

The law of averages will tell you that in over 100 years, some knuckle head with a gun would have killed one by now. You both know that and accept that, yet you still believe.

Every year science finds new species of reptiles, insects, fish, small primates, and so on. Yes that’s great, but that’s science…not Cryptozoology. Cryptozoology is looking for hidden or unknown animals like giant apes, sea serpents, dinosaurs, well…monsters.

I’m not looking for science, bugs and monkeys and such, otherwise I’d only visit National Geographic and other science sites. I’m looking for MONSTERS, because all the science in the world is not as exciting as maybe finding one little old monster.

But let’s be honest, healthy ecosystem, remote areas, Mountain Gorrillas, etc, etc, etc, none of that can change the simple fact that Bigfoot has been seen here in Calif before Columbus came to the new world. Animals have been hunted into extinction by humans for years and years. And the simple honest true fact is…NO ONE HAS EVER KILLED A BIGFOOT!

The ONLY science based theory I have that keeps my hope alive is…migration.

I came up with a theory that there is a corridor of mostly unpopulated land from Canada to Texas. If these 7 foot tall animals live and breed in Canada where there is still untouched wilderness, then it is possible they are sited migrating south to the US using this corridor.

I came up with a map 15 years ago where I believed they traveled, but the adult in me never took me to that area. I have been to Banff, Edmonton, Alberta Canada, and yes you could hide 100′s of Bigfoot type animals in those areas…that’s honest and truthful.

If the animal exists at all, it would be there, and if it is seen in the US, it would be just passing through. That’s my hope, inner child and all.

Sorry guys, I hope it’s out there too, but I know it’s probably not here in Calif…and until science classifies it, I can still call it a monster…after that, I’ll call it whatever they say it is.

I think some of the differences of opinions we have may be, quite simply, in how we look at things. I do not see bigfoot as a ‘monster’ not in any sense of the word. I do think that bigfoot is a colloquial name given to what is most likely a North American primate that has yet to be catalogued by modern science.

The biggest problems we have with finding evidence for such a primate are:
1] The huge amount of land that they are reported to frequent (use google earth, the Pacific NW forests alone covers a VAST area)
2] Too many pranksters who like to troll researchers by leaving faked evidence or blobsquatch photos
3] Public opinion. I know science and research should be immune to public opinion, but when you need to get funding, and people are mocking and criticizing your endeavors its hard to turn a blind eye and deaf ear. Things like docudramas and mockumentaries passing themselves off as serious research don’t help either.

As other commentors have noted, the Highland gorilla was ‘known’ to people for years, but it took decades for a Western man to see and document one and even then it was quite a while before any definitive evidence could be produced.

The old, why haven’t we come across a body is easily explained by anyone who has spent any amount of time in a healthy ecosystem. I live in the more populated NE area of the country and around here even a white tail deer road kill doesn’t last more than a few days. Scavengers, bacteria, weather.

Right now the one thing we have going in our favor is that science cannot be used to prove a negative. (to prove BF does not exist, to prove G*d does not exist, etc) it can only be used to prove a positive supposition. (If _______ exists then it should effect its surroundings in __x____ manner) Science needs repeatable tests to prove theories, hard evidence to gain acceptance (like a body). So until we can come up with provable theories or a body science, for the most part, won’t come to our party. It is up to people who have a deep interest in these animals to do the grunt work and document properly. And remember, if it isn’t documented then as far as science is concerned, it didn’t really happen. It becomes nothing more than an anecdotal story.

I suppose some people can not deal with blunt criticism, especially if their reputation and carrier are on line, but I have to agree once you become a public persona you need to deal with it, rather than resort to name calling in frustration. Some people are just blunt and for the most part, loud and hurtful when they defend themselves. I understand why Matt did what he did in light of the above, BUT I do not think it was right. Name calling is wrong and it only makes you look like an angry-defensive *insert bleep here*. I also feel we as a community understand how we do things, we get along despite how different we are. If you make an effort, or care too, you can get along rather well, Cryptomundians show this on a daily basis.

You’ve got it wrong on your first message Nominay; there are NO “intolerant guidelines for expression” either in use or being advocated on this website!

I don’t think postings have ever been ‘struck off’ because they go off topic and no one has advocated curtailing subject matter, as was clearly stated by Loren & Craig, it’s just quite simply the type of insults that flew must fly no more!

Insults don’t enlighten or inform anyone on anything!

However despite the insults some interesting facts still came to light!

The terms of use of the site don’t restrict discussing the characters on the show. They do restrict the name calling however.

It is one thing to call someone an a-hole, and quite another to say that person is acting like one.

Matt, Cliff, Bobo & Ranae, by appearing on the show, are now public personas.

The role that one assumes or displays in public or society; one’s public image or personality, as distinguished from the inner self.The Free Dictionary