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		<title>By: RipleyE</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/burbank-bigfoot/comment-page-1/#comment-51444</link>
		<dc:creator>RipleyE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The photo on the Argosy magazine cover seen elsewhere on this site is accurate.  

This was a disturbing experience - we were convinced what we saw was not a model or wax dummy but actually a real flesh and blood man.  It is too bad it disappeared without resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photo on the Argosy magazine cover seen elsewhere on this site is accurate.  </p>
<p>This was a disturbing experience &#8211; we were convinced what we saw was not a model or wax dummy but actually a real flesh and blood man.  It is too bad it disappeared without resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: RipleyE</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/burbank-bigfoot/comment-page-1/#comment-51442</link>
		<dc:creator>RipleyE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister and I attended the Minnesota State Fair the one year the Ice Man was actually on display and we paid to see it--really on a lark.  We were both startled by what we saw--very realistic looking small, bearded man--slightly contorted face--part of the body could also be seen through the ice.  Anyway, the Burbank model is too tall and and the shape of the face is quite different.  In particular the brow ridge we saw on the Ice Man is not the same and it did not have the jutting jaw seen on the Burbank model.  I didn&#039;t realize until recently that we were among the few to actually see this exhibit.  There is a photo on the web that I came across that is exactly what we saw and I will try to relocate that and provide a link here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister and I attended the Minnesota State Fair the one year the Ice Man was actually on display and we paid to see it&#8211;really on a lark.  We were both startled by what we saw&#8211;very realistic looking small, bearded man&#8211;slightly contorted face&#8211;part of the body could also be seen through the ice.  Anyway, the Burbank model is too tall and and the shape of the face is quite different.  In particular the brow ridge we saw on the Ice Man is not the same and it did not have the jutting jaw seen on the Burbank model.  I didn&#8217;t realize until recently that we were among the few to actually see this exhibit.  There is a photo on the web that I came across that is exactly what we saw and I will try to relocate that and provide a link here.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/burbank-bigfoot/comment-page-1/#comment-15590</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 03:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another effects guy with twentysomething years of experience in animatronics and suits.  I am also the fellow who posted on a very old Omni Magazine forum years ago about how it was common knowledge in the effects industry that the PG bigfoot was created by Chambers.  That led to a lot of hate mail and an e-mail from Mark Chorvinsky (rest in peace) at Strange Magazine which led to an article about the Chambers/PG connection.

I just want to state for the record that I am totally convinced that bigfoot exists.  I also think that the PG film is of a man in a suit.  The exaggerated arm swing is due to trying to make the forearms longer.  The way the hair lays and it&#039;s direction seem unkept.  The secret to keeping a hair suit looking natural is brush, brush and brush.  It gives one an immense respect for how nature does it.  Look again at how the rear 3/4 of the thigh intersects the buttocks.  I could swear that in one of the early frames you can see the hair fabric buckling just next to the buttocks.  Speaking of the buttocks, does it leave anyone else with the impression of a diaper full of goodness, rather than a massive muscle that should be working quite a bit.  I also get the impression from this film that the creature has caucasian coloration of the face.  Has this been reported often?  The face also closely resembles a sketch that Patterson did of a Bigfoot for a book or pamphlet he published before getting this footage.  That sketch of bigfoot was also light skinned.  The white foot issue doesn&#039;t bother me.  That could be dust on a rubber foot as easily as it could be dust on a real foot.

On the Burbank Bigfoot front, the figure in the photos is NOT the Minnesota Iceman.  That figure had an arm over it&#039;s head that had a compound fracture where the arm was almost severed mid forearm.  Not unlike a plaster arm that broke in shipping.  Just trying to draw some fabrication parallels between the pictured construct and the images of the iceman I saw years ago in a book.

I would give my right arm to see footage of a real hairy hominid,  the only problem is I don&#039;t think the PG creature is one.  IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another effects guy with twentysomething years of experience in animatronics and suits.  I am also the fellow who posted on a very old Omni Magazine forum years ago about how it was common knowledge in the effects industry that the PG bigfoot was created by Chambers.  That led to a lot of hate mail and an e-mail from Mark Chorvinsky (rest in peace) at Strange Magazine which led to an article about the Chambers/PG connection.</p>
<p>I just want to state for the record that I am totally convinced that bigfoot exists.  I also think that the PG film is of a man in a suit.  The exaggerated arm swing is due to trying to make the forearms longer.  The way the hair lays and it&#8217;s direction seem unkept.  The secret to keeping a hair suit looking natural is brush, brush and brush.  It gives one an immense respect for how nature does it.  Look again at how the rear 3/4 of the thigh intersects the buttocks.  I could swear that in one of the early frames you can see the hair fabric buckling just next to the buttocks.  Speaking of the buttocks, does it leave anyone else with the impression of a diaper full of goodness, rather than a massive muscle that should be working quite a bit.  I also get the impression from this film that the creature has caucasian coloration of the face.  Has this been reported often?  The face also closely resembles a sketch that Patterson did of a Bigfoot for a book or pamphlet he published before getting this footage.  That sketch of bigfoot was also light skinned.  The white foot issue doesn&#8217;t bother me.  That could be dust on a rubber foot as easily as it could be dust on a real foot.</p>
<p>On the Burbank Bigfoot front, the figure in the photos is NOT the Minnesota Iceman.  That figure had an arm over it&#8217;s head that had a compound fracture where the arm was almost severed mid forearm.  Not unlike a plaster arm that broke in shipping.  Just trying to draw some fabrication parallels between the pictured construct and the images of the iceman I saw years ago in a book.</p>
<p>I would give my right arm to see footage of a real hairy hominid,  the only problem is I don&#8217;t think the PG creature is one.  IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: sasquatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>sasquatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 04:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked as an animator and model builder in the film and television commercial realm as well as making my own independant films. I went to film school, have studied make-up and fx for over 30 years and I&#039;ve never seen anything like the Patterson film. The more I study it, the less possible the actor in a costume idea becomes. As an animator I&#039;ve studied movement very intensly; human, animal whatever. This is not a human. It is similar but it is not a human being. As a model builder I&#039;ve had to study bone/muscle/fur relationships and again; this is not a human. The only answer is that it is what has come to be known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch. Like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked as an animator and model builder in the film and television commercial realm as well as making my own independant films. I went to film school, have studied make-up and fx for over 30 years and I&#8217;ve never seen anything like the Patterson film. The more I study it, the less possible the actor in a costume idea becomes. As an animator I&#8217;ve studied movement very intensly; human, animal whatever. This is not a human. It is similar but it is not a human being. As a model builder I&#8217;ve had to study bone/muscle/fur relationships and again; this is not a human. The only answer is that it is what has come to be known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch. Like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 02:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, can&#039;t stop now.

As to this:  &quot;...the waist is stiff and actually sockets around the lower half. I was surprised because it’s kind of a rookie mistake and I never looked for it before. Generally on a suit of this type you’d do it in one piece or have it attach between the legs like some spandex outfits do. The suit was built shirt and pants style and fairly stiff so the top rotates seperate of the bottom. It’s really clear when it’s arm swings forward.&quot;

The &quot;rookie mistake&quot; here is presuming Bigfoot should walk like a human!  The peculiar gait is exactly what has brought primatologists, anatomists and anthropologists into the this-is-the-real-thing camp.

&quot;Another major problem is flat white feet.&quot;

Another &quot;rookie mistake.&quot;  The flat, archless soles of Bigfoot&#039;s feet have been shown to be a distinct anatomical advantage for moving quickly over rough terrain.

And another thing:  special-e professionals are some of the biggest cynics out there.  They&#039;d have to find Bigfoot raiding their pantry to give any credence to it.  A film will never do it for them.  Or for us, probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, can&#8217;t stop now.</p>
<p>As to this:  &#8220;&#8230;the waist is stiff and actually sockets around the lower half. I was surprised because it’s kind of a rookie mistake and I never looked for it before. Generally on a suit of this type you’d do it in one piece or have it attach between the legs like some spandex outfits do. The suit was built shirt and pants style and fairly stiff so the top rotates seperate of the bottom. It’s really clear when it’s arm swings forward.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;rookie mistake&#8221; here is presuming Bigfoot should walk like a human!  The peculiar gait is exactly what has brought primatologists, anatomists and anthropologists into the this-is-the-real-thing camp.</p>
<p>&#8220;Another major problem is flat white feet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another &#8220;rookie mistake.&#8221;  The flat, archless soles of Bigfoot&#8217;s feet have been shown to be a distinct anatomical advantage for moving quickly over rough terrain.</p>
<p>And another thing:  special-e professionals are some of the biggest cynics out there.  They&#8217;d have to find Bigfoot raiding their pantry to give any credence to it.  A film will never do it for them.  Or for us, probably.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 02:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty hard for me to believe the Patterson film isn&#039;t the real thing.

Remember, that film has withstood four DECADES of &quot;look, this is fake.&quot;  It has never been debunked.  Based on the reaction I&#039;ve seen to the Oregon &quot;Bigfoot&quot; shot on this site, we sure ain&#039;t gonna be the ones to debunk Patterson.  Somebody needs to explain what that is.  It isn&#039;t a man in an ape suit.  If it is, it would have been exactly duplicated -- the ultimate &quot;I told you so&quot; -- before most of us logging in here (not me!) were born.

I don&#039;t trust those &quot;in the industry.&quot;  Reason?  Look at a lot of the comments on the Oregon &quot;Bigfoot&quot; here.  Too many people nowadays spend too much time on computers and not enough outside.  Whatever the Oregon &quot;cryptid&quot; is, it isn&#039;t a deer and it isn&#039;t a bear.  I&#039;ve seen more than enough of those, up close and personal in the woods, and taken enough photos to know.  That leaves:  human, horse and sasquatch.  Sorry, only choices available.  Just look at the pic; don&#039;t mess with it on Photoshop!

The Patterson film proves one thing.  We, each of us, would have to see one of these, alive and in our faces, to believe it.  Or see tracks (like my wife and I did in the California Siskiyou in the spring of 1986).

Or really look at the Patterson film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty hard for me to believe the Patterson film isn&#8217;t the real thing.</p>
<p>Remember, that film has withstood four DECADES of &#8220;look, this is fake.&#8221;  It has never been debunked.  Based on the reaction I&#8217;ve seen to the Oregon &#8220;Bigfoot&#8221; shot on this site, we sure ain&#8217;t gonna be the ones to debunk Patterson.  Somebody needs to explain what that is.  It isn&#8217;t a man in an ape suit.  If it is, it would have been exactly duplicated &#8212; the ultimate &#8220;I told you so&#8221; &#8212; before most of us logging in here (not me!) were born.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t trust those &#8220;in the industry.&#8221;  Reason?  Look at a lot of the comments on the Oregon &#8220;Bigfoot&#8221; here.  Too many people nowadays spend too much time on computers and not enough outside.  Whatever the Oregon &#8220;cryptid&#8221; is, it isn&#8217;t a deer and it isn&#8217;t a bear.  I&#8217;ve seen more than enough of those, up close and personal in the woods, and taken enough photos to know.  That leaves:  human, horse and sasquatch.  Sorry, only choices available.  Just look at the pic; don&#8217;t mess with it on Photoshop!</p>
<p>The Patterson film proves one thing.  We, each of us, would have to see one of these, alive and in our faces, to believe it.  Or see tracks (like my wife and I did in the California Siskiyou in the spring of 1986).</p>
<p>Or really look at the Patterson film.</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 00:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s an interesting question.  Has anyone with budget and expertise attempted to replicate the exact appearance of the PG film creature using a suit?  (The really bad suit on &quot;The X-Creatures&quot; must have been an attempt at humor.)

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there&#8217;s an interesting question.  Has anyone with budget and expertise attempted to replicate the exact appearance of the PG film creature using a suit?  (The really bad suit on &#8220;The X-Creatures&#8221; must have been an attempt at humor.)</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: YarriWarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>YarriWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 22:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Matt!(jeff here) About the patterson film: I have a friend that does make-up and &quot;suits&quot;,he worked on robocop, and a few other films you might know. He believes that the patterson film is real, and always has. He has got into a few heated conversations with others in the field about it, one being Bob Burns. My friend&#039;s take is &quot;if it is fake, then why can&#039;t anyone duplicate it?&quot; And I agree, 100%. I know that 30 or 40 years from now someone might come close, and that will be offered up as &quot;proof&quot; that Patterson&#039;s film is bogus. Nevermind all the years in between. The Richard Keil cast above looks nothing like the original iceman, in my opinion. The body cast of Keil was in plaster-making the arms rigid. The iceman had one arm over his head. And was shorter in stance. Yarri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Matt!(jeff here) About the patterson film: I have a friend that does make-up and &#8220;suits&#8221;,he worked on robocop, and a few other films you might know. He believes that the patterson film is real, and always has. He has got into a few heated conversations with others in the field about it, one being Bob Burns. My friend&#8217;s take is &#8220;if it is fake, then why can&#8217;t anyone duplicate it?&#8221; And I agree, 100%. I know that 30 or 40 years from now someone might come close, and that will be offered up as &#8220;proof&#8221; that Patterson&#8217;s film is bogus. Nevermind all the years in between. The Richard Keil cast above looks nothing like the original iceman, in my opinion. The body cast of Keil was in plaster-making the arms rigid. The iceman had one arm over his head. And was shorter in stance. Yarri</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow Ink</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/burbank-bigfoot/comment-page-1/#comment-15584</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadow Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw what was supposed to be the &quot;Iceman&quot; at a carnival many years ago. Even then I didn&#039;t believe everything you saw at a carnival was real. Its been a very long time ago, but what you have pictured in Cryptomundo does not look much like what I saw. I realize that time can dull memories and what I saw was in a hunk of ice; but they just don&#039;t look the same. The one in ice was much more decrepit looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw what was supposed to be the &#8220;Iceman&#8221; at a carnival many years ago. Even then I didn&#8217;t believe everything you saw at a carnival was real. Its been a very long time ago, but what you have pictured in Cryptomundo does not look much like what I saw. I realize that time can dull memories and what I saw was in a hunk of ice; but they just don&#8217;t look the same. The one in ice was much more decrepit looking.</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Eyed Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess what is really getting to me with all this bringing Chambers name up is the absolute CHEEK in continuing to call the man a lier several years after his death wher he cannot explain more.  His Final word was he did not do it.

Hope some of thoses keeping his name in this have nothing to hide when they pass. Or they can &#039;rest&#039; assured there lives will be spread everywher for all to see anyway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what is really getting to me with all this bringing Chambers name up is the absolute CHEEK in continuing to call the man a lier several years after his death wher he cannot explain more.  His Final word was he did not do it.</p>
<p>Hope some of thoses keeping his name in this have nothing to hide when they pass. Or they can &#8216;rest&#8217; assured there lives will be spread everywher for all to see anyway</p>
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